Zapper kills infectious bacteria

(Jan) said:

Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

If Barrett used or recommended a zapper we would all think that he had
gone mad and we would feel sorry for his wife and children.

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Low-intensity electric current-induced effects on human lymphocytes and
leukemia cells

Narendra P. Singh and Henry Lai
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington
Seattle, WA
USA

The purpose of this study is to investigate whether low-intensity current
affects cells in culture. Two types of human cells: white blood cells
(lymphocytes) and leukemia cells (molt-4 cells), were studied. A low-intensity
time-varying electric current (0.14 milliamp) generated by the Clark Zapper was
applied to cell cultures via two platinum electrodes for 2 hrs at 37o C. Cell
counts were made at different times after electric current application. Results
show that the current had no significant effect on human white blood cells up
to 24 hrs after exposure, whereas it significantly inhibited the growth of
leukemia cells. At 24 hrs after exposure, concentration of leukemia cells
exposed to the electric current was only 58% of that of non-exposed leukemia
cells. These data suggest that the electric current can selectively inhibit the
growth of leukemia cells and does not significantly affect normal cells. A
manuscript describing these results is in preparation for publication. In
addition, the same electric current exposure (0.14 milliamp, 2 hrs at 37oC) was
applied to E. coli bacteria cultures. No significant effect of the current was
observed in E. coli cultures at 24 hrs after exposure.

Further research should investigate whether this selective electric
current-induced growth inhibition also occurs in other types of cancer cells.
The critical current parameters and mechanism of this effect should also be
investigated.

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 11/18/2003 5:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

f®Èé RådicaL said:

"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
> DC - can you calculate how strong the current you would have to
> apply to the body surface in order to reach a parasite in the
> liver with a current of that strength? And what would it do to
> my skin, and heart and the tissues in between?
>
>
> Tsu Dho Nimh
>

If low-current, high-frequency electricity can't pass through the body,

how

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do you explain that the bacteria causing my ear infection began to die

when

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the electricity was applied to the hands?

They were dying already

Assuumption.

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What you describe is the end stage of a
classic ear infection ... all that green gunk was the carnage
from the battle between your white blood cells and the bacteria,
coming out of a ruptured ear drum.

No matter what you did to your hands, it would have happened.

So do nothing.

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You can theorize all you want on

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paper. The actual results speak for themselves. It isn't even necessary

to

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know exactly how it works, as long as it does in practice. The

transistor

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was used for decades before a satisfactory theory was found to fully

explain

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its quantum behavior.

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No.

Assumption.

Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

Barrett would not use it, until it was tested and shown to be safe and
effective.

In your retirment, how about taking an adult ed class in biology, physics
and chemistry?

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 11/18/2003 3:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

If Barrett used or recommended a zapper we would all think that he had
gone mad and we would feel sorry for his wife and children.

Riiiiiiight. Like you spoke up about a doctor who committes fraud, cover-ups
and wrong doing and remains on staff, or the fact we have a piece meal system
and incorrect procedure that killed are still being used.

Sure thing, Peter.

Now you can stop lying.

Jan

I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or

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the pope. Rich Shewmaker

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Riiiiiiight. Like you spoke up about a doctor who committes fraud,

cover-ups

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and wrong doing and remains on staff, or the fact we have a piece meal

system

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and incorrect procedure that killed are still being used.

Sure thing, Peter.

Now you can stop lying.

Jan

$ KaChing $28

Plus $5 for Ratbags = $10.

(Jan) said:

Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

If barrett had used it in his practice, like any medical device,
it would have to pass testing for being able to produce the
claimed results.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

When Gonzalez reviewed Kelley's records, 33000 cases he concluded >90%
'cure' rate.
Remember most of these people had been sent home to die and had less than 5
years to live.
If there's some 'hocus pocus' selection going on there, and if I got cancer
then I want to be one of that selection bias.
I suppose you could contact Gonzalez for the study which was not published.
Anth

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"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > On 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> > Jan Drew advertizes quackery and charlatanism. This is one more

piece

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> > of proof.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Aribert Deckers
> >
>
> You can call it what you will, if it first does no harm (Hippocratic

oath,

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> which most doctors no longer follow) and also works, then I'm using

it.

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I

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> also subscribe to Clark's theory of cancer. There are too many

reported

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> cases of people killing tumors by taking anti-parasitic herbs and/or
zapping
> to be ignored.

Cite one. I have been looking for them ever since Hulda appeared, and

and

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have not found one testimonial worth its salt.

You would automatically discount any testimonial I pointed you to, so

why

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bother? You can do the google search (zapper cancer testimonial)

yourself.

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I thought you would be unable to direct me to any. For your information I
find some of the testimonials on the Gerson site of quite good quality.

I

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have never seen a worthwhile one for Hulda.

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It's chemo and radiation that should be classified as quackery, given

the

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poor remission rates and outrageous cost of these treatments. These
treatments violate the Hippocratic oath by doing great harm to the

immune

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system, which is the only real defense against cancer.

We will argue about that another day. It is true that most types of
metastatic cancer respond poorly to conventional treatments, but because

of

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the nature of cancer, not because of immune system damage.

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The people that are
curing themselves with alternative approaches never make or seek

headlines.

[censored]. Those who feel they have done well on alternatives are not at
all shy about sharing that information, at least on alternative mailing
lists, which I also monnitor.

How do even you hide thousands of patients who have reversed cancer?

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They are the ones rejected as hopeless by the doctors and are sent home

to

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die. They have nothing to lose by trying inexpensive alternative

treatments

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such as herbs, the zapper or the macrobiotic diet. Stop beating up the

alts

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and try to open your mind for a change.

I have no objection to people trying alternatives as an adjunct to
conventional methods or when there is no other option. But Hulda Clark

now

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insists that she has the cure for cancer and that conventional treatmnets
are unnecessary, even as she and her allies have not produced a single
verifiable case. This is serious quackery.

Peter Moran

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In <[email hidden]>, Jan lied:

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He hasn't read Hulda's Books, he has no idea of the cases in them.

Here's another claim that Jan won't prove.

In <[email hidden]>, Jan lied:

# I always prove my claims.

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| completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
+--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

<snip for brevity>

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Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

Jan

No, if Dr Barrett did that, we would DEMAND that he be retroactively [wait for
it.............................] DE-LICENSED!!!!!!!!!!!

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 11/19/2003 5:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

If barrett had used it in his practice, like any medical device,
it would have to pass testing for being able to produce the
claimed results.

You mean like acupuncture doesn't work there is no such thing as Gulf War
Sydrome, MCS, and mercury poisoning from amalgams??

Or no alternative practitioner can be trusted??

These kind of claims??

Ah?

Jan

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 11/19/2003 6:46 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

When Gonzalez reviewed Kelley's records, 33000 cases he concluded >90%
'cure' rate.
Remember most of these people had been sent home to die and had less than 5
years to live.
If there's some 'hocus pocus' selection going on there, and if I got cancer
then I want to be one of that selection bias.
I suppose you could contact Gonzalez for the study which was not published.
Anth

Shhhhhhh.

Peter Moran doesn't want to talk about such things.

Jan

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In said:

f®Èé RådicaL said:

"D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> That's an utterly *fascinating* rewrite of history, especially
> from someone claiming to be an electrical engineer.
> Unfortunately, the basic theory of solid-state quantum
> electronics and semiconductors was worked out in the 1930s,
> quite a bit before the Shockley et al. demonstrated their
> junction device in the late 1940s.

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Your're outside your area of competance. Check this 03-05-1999 article

out

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and learn:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990305070639.htm

Qutoing the article:

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However, since the invention of the transistor 50 years ago, certain
characteristics of the p-n junction have been poorly understood and
improperly described in textbooks.

CERTAIN CHARACTERISTICS: this is a minor adjustment to the
description of how they work, not anything radically
enlightening.

The original claim was that "The transistor was used for decades
before a satisfactory theory was found to fully explain its
quantum behavior." The article cited itself notes that the
older theory was quite satisfactory for most practical devices.

This is the most significant quote of the article:

"It may sound strange, but the *precise* physics of what makes these devices
work has not been *fully* understood," said Karl Hess

(emphasis added)

My original statement was:

The transistor was used for decades before a satisfactory theory was found
to *fully*
explain its quantum behavior.

(emphasis added)

Now since 1999, they have a theory that *fully* explains the behavior.
My original statement was accurate.

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<snip>
It isn't even necessary to

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know exactly how it works, as long as it does in practice. The

transistor

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was used for decades before a satisfactory theory was found to fully

explain

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its quantum behavior.

So you didn't bother studying the history of your field either.
I am Doug's complete lack of suprise.

The key phrase is *fully* explain the quantum behavior. I point you to the
article below which shows I am correct.

Issac Newton's Theory of Motion was satisfactory for inertial systems at
speeds well below that of light. Einstein's Special and General theories of
Relativity *fully* describe motion for both inertial and non-inertial
reference frames at arbitrary relative velocities.

That's the type of distinction to which I was referring.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990305070639.htm

(Jan) said:

Of course the real problem on this ng, is the fact that Hulda Clark uses a
zapper.

If Barrett used it it would be wonderful, and recommended.

That is idiocy.

Aribert Deckers
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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 11/18/2003 1:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

Peter Moran is an *organized medicine* sock puppet.

He hasn't read Hulda's Books, he has no idea of the cases in them.

Hulda Clark is a criminal and was sentenced because of her fraud.

For all in the net to see: Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, i.e.
Jan Drew advertizes for a criminal.

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(Jan) said:

In
addition, the same electric current exposure (0.14 milliamp, 2 hrs at 37oC) was
applied to E. coli bacteria cultures. No significant effect of the current was

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observed in E. coli cultures at 24 hrs after exposure.

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Escherichia coli are bacteria.

And THEY are NOT killed.

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(Jan) said:

Now you can stop lying.

Says Jan Drew, the forger.

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"f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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If low-current, high-frequency electricity can't pass through the body,

how

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do you explain that the bacteria causing my ear infection began to die

when

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the electricity was applied to the hands?

How could this electrical force selectively identify malevolant cells?

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The transistor
was used for decades before a satisfactory theory was found to fully

explain

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its quantum behavior.

[censored].

BS, huh?. Like you would know. Read the key paragraph in this article:
(emphasis added)

"It may sound strange, but the *precise* physics of what makes these devices
work has not been *fully* understood," said Karl Hess, a U. of I. Swanlund
Professor of electrical and computer engineering and a researcher at the
university's Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology. "We
found deficiencies in every textbook description of p-n junction diodes. For
example, the diffusion capacitance -- the conductance property for
alternating current -- was predicted *incorrectly* in all cases."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990305070639.htm

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
Date: 11/19/2003 5:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 11/18/2003 1:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

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<[email hidden].

com.au>

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Peter Moran is an *organized medicine* sock puppet.

He hasn't read Hulda's Books, he has no idea of the cases in them.

Hulda Clark is a criminal and was sentenced because of her fraud.

LOL. Get a clue. Do post where she was sentenced. You can't, she wasn't. I was
sitting right there through the trumpted up trial.

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For all in the net to see: Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, i.e.

For all to see as proven about, you have a screw loose and make all kinds of
false statements.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
Date: 11/19/2003 5:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

In
addition, the same electric current exposure (0.14 milliamp, 2 hrs at 37oC)

was

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applied to E. coli bacteria cultures. No significant effect of the current

was

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observed in E. coli cultures at 24 hrs after exposure.

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Escherichia coli are bacteria.

And THEY are NOT killed.

Your study is posted where??

http://www.drclark.net/news/lairesearch.htm

Low-intensity electric current-induced effects on human lymphocytes and
leukemia cells

Narendra P. Singh and Henry Lai
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington
Seattle, WA
USA

The purpose of this study is to investigate whether low-intensity current
affects cells in culture. Two types of human cells: white blood cells
(lymphocytes) and leukemia cells (molt-4 cells), were studied. A low-intensity
time-varying electric current (0.14 milliamp) generated by the Clark Zapper was
applied to cell cultures via two platinum electrodes for 2 hrs at 37o C. Cell
counts were made at different times after electric current application. Results
show that the current had no significant effect on human white blood cells up
to 24 hrs after exposure, whereas it significantly inhibited the growth of
leukemia cells. At 24 hrs after exposure, concentration of leukemia cells
exposed to the electric current was only 58% of that of non-exposed leukemia
cells. These data suggest that the electric current can selectively inhibit the
growth of leukemia cells and does not significantly affect normal cells. A
manuscript describing these results is in preparation for publication. In
addition, the same electric current exposure (0.14 milliamp, 2 hrs at 37oC) was
applied to E. coli bacteria cultures. No significant effect of the current was
observed in E. coli cultures at 24 hrs after exposure.

Further research should investigate whether this selective electric
current-induced growth inhibition also occurs in other types of cancer cells.
The critical current parameters and mechanism of this effect should also be
investigated.

Jan