Re: The Worried ill

(Jan) said:

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Subject: The "Worried Well"
From: [email hidden] (Kathryn Friesen)
Date: 11/23/2003 8:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Who constitues this group? Are these the same as hypochrondiacs?

I find these alternative medicine/health forums so interesting as I
never knew there was so much going on. It never occurred to me that my
system could be "out of balance" or that my colon needed irrigating. Or
that I should spend time in an oxygen chamber. Not to mention remove my
fillings, some of which date back to high school.

Here I am, 66 years old & haven't done any of this stuff. What's wrong
with me?

Evidently nothing, and thank God for it.

You will find that most people are turning to alternative because conventional
medicine has no answers.

Actually people turn to alternative reasons for a wide variety of
reasons. Jan Drew just likes to believe that it is because
conventional medicine has *no answers*. Conventional medicine often
has good answers when the problem is of a particular nature.

Jan Drew is a classic hypochondriac whose health deteriorated to the
point where she thought she was going to die after reading about an
amalgam mercury poisoning connection. And then within hours of having
her amalgams removed she felt better than she had in two years. And
then a week later when her mercury level was likely the highest in her
life she found that the pain in her feet went away. Of course the pain
soon returned since placebo responses are short lived.

Btw, Jan Drew has been taking two drugs for four years for her
peripheral neuropathy even though she had the root of the problem
taken care of in 1999 when she had all her amalgams removed. The
amalgams likely had nothing to do with Jan's problem but it comforts
her to think that they did. She also lied about her history to
manipulate others into thinking she really did have mercury poisoning.

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You post is a bit condescending.

Actually her post is spot on.

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If you think alternative medicine is about hypochrondiacs, you have a lot to
learn.

Much of alternative medicine is about treating hypochondriacs, for
want of a better term. You see when Jan Drew was unable to get
conventional doctors to indulge her hypervigilance she found very
willing alternative practitioners to do just that.

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The Worried ill is more correct.

Jan is in denial.

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I wouldn't brag too soon.

Jan seems a bit jealous.

Aloha,

Rich

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Jan

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.

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If you think alternative medicine is about hypochrondiacs, you have a lot

to

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learn.

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The Worried ill is more correct.

Jan also is apparently in need of this information ----

"Kathryn Friesen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Who constitues this group? Are these the same as hypochrondiacs?

Not necessarily. David Wright is correct. It is also very relevant that
the majority of healthy people regularly experience minor symptoms such as
fatigue, headache, irritability, anxiety or mild depression, and mild
musculoskeletal problems.

See ---
http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band115/b115-4.html

Such symptoms only become redefined as an "illness", and the sufferer a
"patient", when a person decides to seek medical advice, often just for
reassurance that nothing serious is wrong. Thus the minor and usually
self-limiting symptoms of the "worried well" dominate a lot of medical
practice and also provide a fruitful area for charlatans.

One tactic of the latter is to make the sufferer feel inferior for having
any symptoms at all. You introduce the notion of "welllness", a kind of
"superhealth" wherein anything less than a state of euphoric exuberant
well-being and longevity is a reflection of some kind of supplement
deficiency or noxious influence that can only be rooted out by buying this
stuff or following all the instructions in that book.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: The Worried ill
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 11/23/2003 9:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

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If you think alternative medicine is about hypochrondiacs, you have a lot

to

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learn.

Quoted message said:

The Worried ill is more correct.

Jan also is apparently in need of this information ----

"Kathryn Friesen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Who constitues this group? Are these the same as hypochrondiacs?

Not necessarily. David Wright is correct. It is also very relevant that
the majority of healthy people regularly experience minor symptoms such as
fatigue, headache, irritability, anxiety or mild depression, and mild
musculoskeletal problems.

That's everyday life, not classified as *ill*

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See ---
http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band115/b115-4.html

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Such symptoms only become redefined as an "illness", and the sufferer a
"patient", when a person decides to seek medical advice, often just for
reassurance that nothing serious is wrong. Thus the minor and usually
self-limiting symptoms of the "worried well" dominate a lot of medical

practice and also provide a fruitful area for charlatans.

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One tactic of the latter is to make the sufferer feel inferior for having
any symptoms at all.

I know nothing of a charlatan, however this fits well with the former, and
isn't limited to minor aches and pains.

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You introduce the notion of "welllness", a kind of
"superhealth" wherein anything less than a state of euphoric exuberant
well-being and longevity is a reflection of some kind of supplement
deficiency or noxious influence that can only be rooted out by buying this
stuff or following all the instructions

in that book.

Could be.

Problem with this ng is most of the advice given is from those who have no
actual experience with *serious illness* for which conventional medicine has no
answer.

Then and only then will they know what a alternative practitioner actually
does.

For the most part, they are repeating what they ave heard from *organized
medicine*

If one wants the REAL goods, talk to someone who has been there and done that.
Works far better than all the peer-reviewed studies do.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

Rich said:

Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
Is it or isn't it?

Negative.

I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real name.
Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too
happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given
the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do plan
to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since he is
listed in the phone book.

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Aloha,Rich
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Richard H. Jacobson
Always remember to put Horace before Descarte