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  1. I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was on cable last night.
    This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat is
    yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries. It is corn fed cows
    that produce white fat which will kill you.

    Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?

    I would like to eat more red meat to get natural creatine in my diet... and
    of course marbeled meat is tastier than the lean, lean stuff that you have
    to cook medium or less to avoid it tasting like shoe leather. So, izzit
    true... and, if so, where can I find beef with the yellow fat.

    And please, no replies dealing with urine or such.

    Thanks!

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  2. dwacon said:

    I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was
    on cable last night. This guy from Texas was saying that
    if cows eat only grass, their fat is yellow and yellow fat
    won't stick to your arteries.
    It is corn fed cows that produce white fat which will kill you.

    Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?

    First, who was this guy? A cardiologist?
    A guy who raises grass-fed beef?

    If the latter, do you expect him to give you
    a fair and balanced evaluation of the difference
    between grass-fed and grain-fed beef?

    The difference in color (if any) will be caused
    by carotenoids and xanthophylls (oxidized
    carotenoids) in the feed. Both grass and grain
    have food value (calories), but not a lot of fat.
    The fat is formed in the cow, mostly from the
    carbohydrates in the feed.

    Feed rich in fat can affect the ratio of saturated
    fat (bad fat) to unsaturated fat (good fat) in
    some animals. If anything, I would expect
    the polyunsaturated corn oil from a corn-based
    diet to result in more healthful ratio of saturated
    to unsaturated fat.

  3. I think he was referring to the fact that cows fed on lots of grass have fat
    containing more Omega3 components (Google Grass Fed Beef).
    What's interesting is it's believed the other fats from grass fed animals
    are also richer in omega 3, like butter, cheese, etc.

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    Quoted message said:

    I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was on cable last


    night.

    Quoted message said:

    This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat is
    yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries. It is corn fed cows
    that produce white fat which will kill you.

    Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?

    I would like to eat more red meat to get natural creatine in my diet...


    and

    Quoted message said:

    of course marbeled meat is tastier than the lean, lean stuff that you have
    to cook medium or less to avoid it tasting like shoe leather. So, izzit
    true... and, if so, where can I find beef with the yellow fat.

    And please, no replies dealing with urine or such.

    Thanks!

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  4. dwacon said:

    I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was on cable last night.
    This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat is
    yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries. It is corn fed cows
    that produce white fat which will kill you.

    Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?

    Yes, definitely full of [censored], or you don't hear well. Beef fat color
    is mainly indicative of animal age... has very, very little to do with
    feed. Veal typically has the whitest fat.

    Sheldon

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    Quoted message said:
    dwacon said:

    I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was on cable last
    night.
    This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat is
    yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries. It is corn fed cows
    that produce white fat which will kill you.

    Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?

    Yes, definitely full of [censored]

    I knew it sounded fishy -- but when you see people in their 90's saying they
    eat 3 burgers a day for over 20 years and no heart disease... hmm...

    Another segment of the documentary had a restaurant in Wisconsin that serves
    butter burgers -- a cheeseburger with a huge dollop (like a couple inches)
    of butter on top just before serving. These old gray-haired folks were
    sopping up the melted butter like there was no tomorrow. The worst was this
    place in Memphis that has deep-fried burgers in 90-year-old grease. That
    sounds like the type of meal you order before going to the electric chair.
    Chances are, you'd never make it to the chair...

    For details on this documentary, http://www.hamburgeramerica.com/ -- it is
    still running on cable and is definitely going to influence my travel
    plans...

    :-s

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  6. dwacon said:

    This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat is
    yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries.

    Quoted message said:

    So, izzit
    true...

    What do you think? Given that clogged arteries are about the biggest
    diet related killer around, if it were true I imagine feed lots would
    be ghost towns and grazing land would shoot up to Wall Street real
    estate prices about a week after the public got wind of it. Sounds
    like grass rancher bull to me.

    nb

  7. http://www.eatwild.com/nutrition.html

    There is credence to the presence of extra omega 3 fats in grass fed beef.
    Read up on it!

    What's interesting is it's believed the other fats from grass fed animals
    are also richer in omega 3, like butter, cheese, etc.

    Trans fats are hugely responsible for rising cholestorol. In addition, trans
    fats come
    primarily from veggie fat. Heat veggie fat to smoking and you create trans
    fats.
    Hydrogenated oils in snack foods are from veggie fats.

    Heat butter to smoking... and you've created burned butter.

    " dwacon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was on cable last


    night.

    Quoted message said:

    This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat is
    yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries. It is corn fed cows
    that produce white fat which will kill you.

    Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?

    I would like to eat more red meat to get natural creatine in my diet...


    and

    Quoted message said:

    of course marbeled meat is tastier than the lean, lean stuff that you have
    to cook medium or less to avoid it tasting like shoe leather. So, izzit
    true... and, if so, where can I find beef with the yellow fat.

    And please, no replies dealing with urine or such.

    Thanks!

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  8. On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:52:46 -0400, " dwacon"
    <[email hidden]> connected the dots and wrote:

    ~I was watching that documentary on hamburgers that was on cable last
    night.
    ~This guy from Texas was saying that if cows eat only grass, their fat
    is
    ~yellow and yellow fat won't stick to your arteries. It is corn fed
    cows
    ~that produce white fat which will kill you.
    ~
    ~Is this guy full of it or is he onto something?
    ~
    ~I would like to eat more red meat to get natural creatine in my
    diet... and
    ~of course marbeled meat is tastier than the lean, lean stuff that you
    have
    ~to cook medium or less to avoid it tasting like shoe leather. So,
    izzit
    ~true... and, if so, where can I find beef with the yellow fat.
    ~
    ~And please, no replies dealing with urine or such.
    ~
    ~Thanks!

    There's an article in the NYTimes today, Wednesday the 6th, about the
    difference in fat in grain-fed and grass-fed beef.

    maxine in ri

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    Quoted message said:

    There's an article in the NYTimes today, Wednesday the 6th, about the
    difference in fat in grain-fed and grass-fed beef.

    Details, please?

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  10. On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:20:04 -0400, " dwacon"
    <[email hidden]> connected the dots and wrote:

    ~
    ~"maxine in ri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ~news:[email hidden]...
    ~
    ~> There's an article in the NYTimes today, Wednesday the 6th, about
    the
    ~> difference in fat in grain-fed and grass-fed beef.
    ~
    ~
    ~Details, please?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/dining/06chef.html?oref=login

    In her San Francisco kitchen one afternoon, she was experimenting with
    two hefty T-bones, a barbecue grill and a hot pan. The point was to
    show the difference between a steak from a steer that was finished
    with grain and one that had eaten pasture all its life.

    The grain-fed steak was a good one, from Niman Ranch. The grass-fed
    beef was from Western Grasslands, a cooperative of Northern California
    ranchers.

    On the grill or in a hot sauté pan, the difference in performance was
    marked.

    The chemical composition of the fat from cows that eat no grain is
    different. The fat feels lighter in the mouth and cooks faster because
    the melting point is lower.

    The trick, Ms. Des Jardins said, is to cook that steak more gently.
    Don't sear the meat as hard as you might a grain-fed steak. Don't cook
    it directly over the highest heat on the grill. If you prefer to cook
    a thick steak about 10 minutes a side, cut the time to seven minutes.
    Grass-fed meat cooks in about 30 percent less time, and it can
    overcook before you know it. Those who like their meat much past
    medium will be out of luck: grass-fed beef tends to lose most of its
    moisture when beyond a pink center.

    Side by side, both T-bones were delicious. The more conventional,
    grain-fed steak had the beefy rich fatty taste most Americans savor in
    a steak. Grass-fed beef can be less reliable, in flavor and in
    texture. From the grill, the grass-fed T-bone had a more complex and
    subtle flavor than its grain-fed counterpart. But from the sauté pan,
    it lost some of its delicacy and tasted gamier.

  11. "maxine in ri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:20:04 -0400, " dwacon"
    <[email hidden]> connected the dots and wrote:

    ~
    ~"maxine in ri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ~news:[email hidden]...
    ~
    ~> There's an article in the NYTimes today, Wednesday the 6th, about
    the
    ~> difference in fat in grain-fed and grass-fed beef.
    ~
    ~
    ~Details, please?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/dining/06chef.html?oref=login

    In her San Francisco kitchen one afternoon, she was experimenting with
    two hefty T-bones, a barbecue grill and a hot pan. The point was to
    show the difference between a steak from a steer that was finished
    with grain and one that had eaten pasture all its life.

    The grain-fed steak was a good one, from Niman Ranch. The grass-fed
    beef was from Western Grasslands, a cooperative of Northern California
    ranchers.

    On the grill or in a hot sauté pan, the difference in performance was
    marked.

    The chemical composition of the fat from cows that eat no grain is
    different. The fat feels lighter in the mouth and cooks faster because
    the melting point is lower.

    The trick, Ms. Des Jardins said, is to cook that steak more gently.
    Don't sear the meat as hard as you might a grain-fed steak. Don't cook
    it directly over the highest heat on the grill. If you prefer to cook
    a thick steak about 10 minutes a side, cut the time to seven minutes.
    Grass-fed meat cooks in about 30 percent less time, and it can
    overcook before you know it. Those who like their meat much past
    medium will be out of luck: grass-fed beef tends to lose most of its
    moisture when beyond a pink center.

    Side by side, both T-bones were delicious. The more conventional,
    grain-fed steak had the beefy rich fatty taste most Americans savor in
    a steak. Grass-fed beef can be less reliable, in flavor and in
    texture. From the grill, the grass-fed T-bone had a more complex and
    subtle flavor than its grain-fed counterpart. But from the sauté pan,
    it lost some of its delicacy and tasted gamier.

    I grew up eating home butchered, grass fed beef from my uncle's in
    Wisconsin. No thanks. Moose was better. Commercial beef was better.
    Venison from Pine county was almost as good. You yups can spend big
    money for bad meat if you want. I can even hook you up with a guy that
    will raise a steer for you on grass or whatever you want him to feed it,
    for as long as you want to feed it. Killing and cutting can be arranged
    through a place in the local small town. Of course, not much grass in
    winter, so you would need to think about what kind of hay or other feed
    to use. He can't do very many, so get your dibs in early.

    del cecchi

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