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Re: grains and man

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  1. "Read it again, buddy. Some grains were eaten by man, the rest of the
    grain became forage was used to feed the animals which were in turn used
    for food and field work."

    No, the conversion energy losses when grain is fed to animals is 90
    percent, the large populations of humans that resulted when grain was
    consumed would not have been possible had they not eaten the grain
    directly in various forms. Even today, if we converted all grain into meat
    we could not have the population in n. america we have.

    As so often, you speak boldly and with authority about matters of which
    you have almost no knowledge. They had animals as meat sources because
    they changed the environment with agriculture practices that created
    grasslands and by using harvested fields as folder sources, recall the
    woman on the show who spoke about this specific point of foraging in
    fields.

    "Where there were no larger animals to domesticate, development lagged.
    In Asia and Europe, they had more animals they could domesticate, such
    as cattle, goats, etc., so they thrived culturally."

    In asia animals were used almost exclusively as power sources, not meat,
    one doesn't eat one's draft animals, except for the pig which is a
    foraging animal that lives on agriculture waste and field boundries and
    poultry which also self forage and do not eat the products of grains
    directly. This is the source of the e. asian diet where 70 percent of the
    diet is carbs from grain. Your bold expression about cultural progress is
    silly and you have no basis upon which to base it except an attempt to
    spin that of which you are ignorant.
    "You may actually want to read what you critique. That way your comments
    wont look quite as stupid."

    A little knowledge, even more when befuddled, is a dangerous thing; but
    any corner bar any night of the week is filled with such experts.

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    "Read it again, buddy. Some grains were eaten by man, the rest of the
    grain became forage was used to feed the animals which were in turn used
    for food and field work."

    No, the conversion energy losses when grain is fed to animals is 90
    percent, the large populations of humans that resulted when grain was
    consumed would not have been possible had they not eaten the grain
    directly in various forms. Even today, if we converted all grain into meat
    we could not have the population in n. america we have.

    As so often, you speak boldly and with authority about matters of which
    you have almost no knowledge. They had animals as meat sources because
    they changed the environment with agriculture practices that created
    grasslands and by using harvested fields as folder sources, recall the
    woman on the show who spoke about this specific point of foraging in
    fields.

    No one said anything about conversion energy losses. That is irrelevant
    to the discussion.

    The fact is that grains offered a ready supply of animal feed, in
    return the animals supplied meat, milk, fertilizer, and the power to
    till more land and grow more crop which in turn fed more people and
    more animals, etc.

    Grain enabled the formation of small combined farms where animals are
    raised along with the crops. The efficiency of that kind of operation
    gave rise to cultural and economic development unseen before.

    Prior to this they lived as hunter gatherers having to depend on the
    hunt for their meat needs. Now they had meat available in their
    domesticated animals, which would not have happened without grains and
    the resultant agriculture.

    The grains enabled them to raise more meat.

    And keep your ad hominem to yourself. When you accuse others of being
    ignorant of facts and they then prove you to be the more ignorant, you
    end up looking like a real idiot. Jackass.

    TC

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