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Has a TdF ever been decided on the final stage?

Art Harris · 2003-07-22T14:40:59+00:00

I remember Lemonds's 8 second win, as a result of a TT. But has the Tour lead ever changed hands on the stage to Paris? Is there a gentlemen's agreement not to contest that stage? If Ullrich can cut Lance's lead with a strong ITT, it could get real interesting. Art Harris

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Published: 22 July 2003
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Art Harris
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22 July 2003, 14:40 UTC #1

I remember Lemonds's 8 second win, as a result of a TT. But has the Tour lead ever changed hands on
the stage to Paris? Is there a gentlemen's agreement not to contest that stage?
If Ullrich can cut Lance's lead with a strong ITT, it could get real interesting.
Art Harris

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Kurgan Gringion
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22 July 2003, 17:52 UTC #2

Yes.

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David Miller
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22 July 2003, 19:01 UTC #3

The TT of which you speak was on the last day...in Paris. "Art Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I remember Lemonds's 8 second win, as a result of a TT. But has the Tour lead ever changed hands
on the stage to Paris? Is there a gentlemen's agreement not to contest that stage?
If Ullrich can cut Lance's lead with a strong ITT, it could get real interesting.
Art Harris

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Nick Burns
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22 July 2003, 19:01 UTC #4

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I remember Lemonds's 8 second win, as a result of a TT. But has the Tour lead ever changed hands
on the stage to Paris? Is there a gentlemen's agreement not to contest that stage?
If Ullrich can cut Lance's lead with a strong ITT, it could get real interesting.
Art Harris
In 1989 in the ITT. That was the last stage. There was also a Tour about 20 or 30 years before where
a Swiss rider overtook another on the last stage that was also a TT. I don't think it ever happened.
when the last stage was not a TT.
If you expand it to include all other pro Tours then I am sure it has happened a few times where the
race was not as selective and the leaders were only seconds apart and have been able to win by
taking a sprint bonus. Not in the Tour or even any other GT (3 week Tour).

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B. Lafferty
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23 July 2003, 00:21 UTC #5

Jan Jannsen beat Herman Van Springel in a time trial on the last day of the Tour in 1968. Before the
Lemond/Fignon finish that was the closest Tour finish. Jean Robic won the Tour on the last stage in
1947 lifting the Yellow Jersey from Brambilla on a road stage won by Schotte from Caen to Paris.
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I remember Lemonds's 8 second win, as a result of a TT. But has the Tour lead ever changed hands
on the stage to Paris? Is there a gentlemen's agreement not to contest that stage?
If Ullrich can cut Lance's lead with a strong ITT, it could get real interesting.
Art Harris
In 1989 in the ITT. That was the last stage. There was also a Tour about

20
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or 30 years before where a Swiss rider overtook another on the last stage that was also a TT. I
don't think it ever happened. when the last stage

was
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not a TT.
If you expand it to include all other pro Tours then I am sure it has happened a few times where
the race was not as selective and the leaders were only seconds apart and have been able to win by
taking a sprint

bonus.
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Not in the Tour or even any other GT (3 week Tour).

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Nick Burns
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23 July 2003, 02:25 UTC #6

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Jan Jannsen beat Herman Van Springel in a time trial on the last day of

the
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Tour in 1968.
That is the one I was thinking of but I thought it was in an earlier Tour. Is that the guy that was
known for always being well groomed?
Before the Lemond/Fignon finish that was the closest Tour
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finish. Jean Robic won the Tour on the last stage in 1947 lifting the Yellow Jersey from Brambilla
on a road stage won by Schotte from Caen to Paris.
Do you know any sources for this kind of stuff or do you just have an amazing memory? I know the
letour.fr site has quite a bit of data but the only way I have used it is to search for an
individual rider's Tour results.
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"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"Art Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I remember Lemonds's 8 second win, as a result of a TT. But has the Tour lead ever changed
hands on the stage to Paris? Is there a gentlemen's agreement not to contest that stage?
If Ullrich can cut Lance's lead with a strong ITT, it could get real interesting.
Art Harris
In 1989 in the ITT. That was the last stage. There was also a Tour about

20
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or 30 years before where a Swiss rider overtook another on the last

stage
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that was also a TT. I don't think it ever happened. when the last stage

was
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not a TT.
If you expand it to include all other pro Tours then I am sure it has happened a few times where
the race was not as selective and the leaders were only seconds apart and have been able to win
by taking a sprint

bonus.
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Not in the Tour or even any other GT (3 week Tour).

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Robert Chung
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23 July 2003, 10:40 UTC #7

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Jean Robic won the Tour on the last stage in 1947 lifting the Yellow Jersey from Brambilla on a
road stage won by Schotte from Caen to Paris.
That was one of only two days Robic ever spent in yellow during his long career. His story will
always be intertwined with Bobet's. Although they couldn't have been more different they were rivals
for the affections of the French public.

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B. Lafferty
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23 July 2003, 11:42 UTC #8

"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jan Jannsen beat Herman Van Springel in a time trial on the last day of

the
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Tour in 1968.
That is the one I was thinking of but I thought it was in an earlier Tour. Is that the guy that
was known for always being well groomed?
You're probably thinking of Hugo Koblet.
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Before the Lemond/Fignon finish that was the closest Tour
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finish. Jean Robic won the Tour on the last stage in 1947 lifting the Yellow Jersey from
Brambilla on a road stage won by Schotte from Caen to Paris.
Do you know any sources for this kind of stuff or do you just have an amazing memory? I know the
letour.fr site has quite a bit of data but the only way I have used it is to search for an
individual rider's Tour

results.
Books, video and memory. Try going to Amazon.com, both US and UK for a starter. Best Cycling
Books is also useful.

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B. Lafferty
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23 July 2003, 12:00 UTC #9

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jean Robic won the Tour on the last stage in 1947 lifting the Yellow Jersey from Brambilla on a
road stage won by Schotte from Caen to Paris.
That was one of only two days Robic ever spent in yellow during his long career. His story will
always be intertwined with Bobet's. Although they couldn't have been more different they were
rivals for the affections of

the
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French public.
Different indeed! Bobet looked great on a bicycle while Robic looked like an ugly gnome.

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