Frigo....

Ted B said:

Firms that manufacture steroids, EPO, and/or other products that are subjected to pharmaceutical standards are not typically in the food supplement business.

Supplement companies are 'blenders' that buy, mix, and repackage, and are regulated as food items. Whether they got the proportions correct is the largest potential source of error.

When in doubt, mix your own.

I went into GNC to buy some supplements back in the day. When I realized that the guy selling me this was much less informed than I, I had second thoughts. "This is what you need.... but if you take that, you'll need these to keep your hands from shaking... and if you get those you'll need these to keep you regular."

Very scary that the guy telling me "what I need" may not even have a high school degree... let alone pharmaceutical degree.

If you aren't in the sport what makes you think that riders are clean?

Never rely on commercial advertising for doping news.

Tous Dope! Understand?

cheapie said:

i don't understand. maybe it's because i'm not in the sport as a rider but why would you risk taking it or having your wife carry it in such a marquee event?

😕

Keep dreaming.

Dope Control did not catch Frigo, border patrol customs did. Police arrested him at the Team Hotel whereupon they promptly disowned him (a standard industry practice)

Athletes fear housekeepers, customs agents, police and whistleblowers, not drug tests.

Doping Control time is for autographs only.

Eldrack said:

He's probably only been tested once on this tour, at the beginning. The testers go after people like LA when they do random control so Frigo probably just kept of until the start test then dosed up afterwards. Cheating Git.

Flyer said:

Dope Control did not catch Frigo, border patrol customs did.

Umm, they caught his wife at the border, not him....

L

You mean Mrs Dario Frigo is a anemia doper too?

We already knew her husband was in the 2001 Giro--a Tour he might have won were it not for police raids in San Remo.

At least his team no longer does trauma care in the rooms anymore.

Lots have changed, and camper sales and rentals have increased too.

Thanks, I presumed she was a co-dependent enabler--not an EPO addict herself, like most of the wives are.

Without testosterone & viagra they could not stay married.

I get your point.

Lonnie Utah said:

Umm, they caught his wife at the border, not him....

L

Flyer said:

I get your point.

And I got yours. If they hadn't have caught her, they wouldn't have caught him, right? (I'm not being sarcastic.)

L

In Australia they just bring in a retired judge to write a 'green light conclusion' based upon 230 medical waste items, horse growth hormones, sryinges, swabs etc....

It's cool, maybe Frigo will win the Vuelta this year?

He'll be back for sure. (with lots of EPO & hGH)

Lonnie Utah said:

And I got yours. If they hadn't have caught her, they wouldn't have caught him, right? (I'm not being sarcastic.)

L

I dunno. If I were him, I'd be talking to my career counsler to see what else I might be able to do. I see an uplanned employment change in his future...

L

Yes, the same counselor who advised Marco Pantani, Richard Virenque, Laurent Brochard, Christophe Moreau, Frank Vandenbrocke, Didier Rous, David Millar and Tyler Hamilton I suppose.

Good solid doping advice.

Lonnie Utah said:

I dunno. If I were him, I'd be talking to my career counsler to see what else I might be able to do. I see an uplanned employment change in his future...

L

Flyer said:

If you aren't in the sport what makes you think that riders are clean?

Never rely on commercial advertising for doping news.

Tous Dope! Understand?

hey mister, how about you lean down from that high horse you seem to be on and read my posts. if you squint really really hard you might be able to see that i haven't said there aren't dopers on the tour. in fact, regardless of my personal beliefs, i haven't even said LA is clean. i just stated that, for the sake of those of us who have to read your posts, you might want to try and make them somewhat relevant to the topic at hand and not view every thread as an opportunity to preach about the evils of the pelaton.

[quote="cheapie"] i just stated that, for the sake of those of us who have to read your posts, you might want to try and make them somewhat relevant to the topic at hand......


Relevant? Somewhat?

You mean being arrested after having your wife caught with EPO---despite the so-called drug testing which in practiced in the TDF is not relevant to the topic????

Blood boosters not relevant for time trials?

Get a clue mister. Doping is on topic for the Tour!!


We have established that if Lance Armstrong's team wanted to carry illegal drugs, research drugs, designer drugs, EPO, Actovegin and insulin-----the Dope Control would never detect it.

And since every else seems to use illegal drugs---we assume he his too.

btw: It does not take a very high horse to rise above cheating, lying drug addicts. The doping bar is set below ground level.

Eurosport are saying that Ferretti (Fasso DS) is spitting nails over Frigo.

Fassa were casting round for a new sponsor and this news has made that objective much tougher.
Several potential sponsors have ceased to be interested.

limerickman said:

Eurosport are saying that Ferretti (Fasso DS) is spitting nails over Frigo.

Fassa were casting round for a new sponsor and this news has made that objective much tougher.
Several potential sponsors have ceased to be interested.

I love the sport of cycling. But I fully understand at times as to why potential sponsors shy away. I am not naive about doping in the TDF and cycling in general. { And please Flyer, when you respond to this, please keep the post relevent to just the effects doping has on sponsorship }.........
I personally had to generate sponsorship for our team and our local crit years ago. Certain riders on our team made it extremly difficult with their extreme views toward certain sponsors. The corporate sponsors make the TDF happen. { Ok , Flyer, this is your opening to let us know how the corporate drug companies dictate policy at the TDF. }
Doping has been a part of the TDF for many years. It is not going away. but when a rider gets caught, punishment must be swift and strong. When a rider tests dirty, the dirty rider has stolen from his fans. He has stolen from his peers.

Disagree.

The Pharmaceutical Industry does not dictate TDF business policy--nor do they advertise much--if at all in cycling.

Did you know Amgen has a California squad, ironically? Those are fun rides.

Drug firms are interested in cycist as Guinae Pigs, not salesmen. The trauma and anemia research is tremendous. The very best.

The sposnors who sign contracts with TDF organizers do have a say re: policy as they are writing the checks (underwriting the affair)

And they do NOT want a leader diqualified under any circumstances. (1978 was the last time)

Not even the 1998 Festina & TVM doping discoveries derailed the Tour--despite 40% abandoning the race.

1998 proved who is in charge---advertisers are!

btw: when a rider is caught by housekeeping or customs---they are exposed and discredited--while the other cheaters are protected. that must change.

100% DQ if anyone is caught. That's fair.

Lifetime bans---for entire teams and riders.

Peace.

wolfix said:

I love the sport of cycling. But I fully understand at times as to why potential sponsors shy away. I am not naive about doping in the TDF and cycling in general. { And please Flyer, when you respond to this, please keep the post relevent to just the effects doping has on sponsorship }.........
I personally had to generate sponsorship for our team and our local crit years ago. Certain riders on our team made it extremly difficult with their extreme views toward certain sponsors. The corporate sponsors make the TDF happen. { Ok , Flyer, this is your opening to let us know how the corporate drug companies dictate policy at the TDF. }
Doping has been a part of the TDF for many years. It is not going away. but when a rider gets caught, punishment must be swift and strong. When a rider tests dirty, the dirty rider has stolen from his fans. He has stolen from his peers.

What would happen if Pfizer tried to buy a team... I can see a Viagra team trying to "keep it up" in a team TT.

Are there a limited number of teams available... or can anyone get a team, if they could qualify.

Giancarlo Ferretti recruited Dario Frigo. Dario is his boy. He loves him.

I expect that Ferretti ordered Mrs. Frigo to act as a team mule in a pinch.

I guess this shows us how much EPO they are doing as they are running low at the mid-way point. However, they were in the high mountains, close to Italy & Switzerland and easy resupply zones.

No real surprise.

I would love for the police to catch out an unmarked mobile camper (MASH Unit) for a grander bust.

Ferretti has only his sport to blame.

limerickman said:

Eurosport are saying that Ferretti (Fasso DS) is spitting nails over Frigo.

Fassa were casting round for a new sponsor and this news has made that objective much tougher.
Several potential sponsors have ceased to be interested.

Amgen does have an amateur team. Fancy uniforms and all.

What is their corporate message? 'Please don't buy our EPOGEN or araNESP anemia solutions, they are illegal in sport---but wholly undectable if you read the instructions.'

Is that the message?

dasnootz said:

What would happen if Pfizer tried to buy a team... I can see a Viagra team trying to "keep it up" in a team TT.

Are there a limited number of teams available... or can anyone get a team, if they could qualify.

[quote="Flyer"]

cheapie said:

i just stated that, for the sake of those of us who have to read your posts, you might want to try and make them somewhat relevant to the topic at hand......

Relevant? Somewhat?

You mean being arrested after having your wife caught with EPO---despite the so-called drug testing which in practiced in the TDF is not relevant to the topic????

Blood boosters not relevant for time trials?

Get a clue mister. Doping is on topic for the Tour!!

We have established that if Lance Armstrong's team wanted to carry illegal drugs, research drugs, designer drugs, EPO, Actovegin and insulin-----the Dope Control would never detect it.

And since every else seems to use illegal drugs---we assume he his too.

btw: It does not take a very high horse to rise above cheating, lying drug addicts. The doping bar is set below ground level.

Flyer said:

Giancarlo Ferretti recruited Dario Frigo. Dario is his boy. He loves him.

I expect that Ferretti ordered Mrs. Frigo to act as a team mule in a pinch.

I guess this shows us how much EPO they are doing as they are running low at the mid-way point. However, they were in the high mountains, close to Italy & Switzerland and easy resupply zones.

No real surprise.

I would love for the police to catch out an unmarked mobile camper (MASH Unit) for a grander bust.

Ferretti has only his sport to blame.

Frigo was courted by Ferretti, that is true.
This matter is fatal, from a commercial viewpoint.
Ethically Ferretti is compromised because of his closeness to Frigo.
His credibility is seriously compromised.

wolfix said:

I love the sport of cycling. But I fully understand at times as to why potential sponsors shy away. I am not naive about doping in the TDF and cycling in general. { And please Flyer, when you respond to this, please keep the post relevent to just the effects doping has on sponsorship }.........
I personally had to generate sponsorship for our team and our local crit years ago. Certain riders on our team made it extremly difficult with their extreme views toward certain sponsors. The corporate sponsors make the TDF happen. { Ok , Flyer, this is your opening to let us know how the corporate drug companies dictate policy at the TDF. }
Doping has been a part of the TDF for many years. It is not going away. but when a rider gets caught, punishment must be swift and strong. When a rider tests dirty, the dirty rider has stolen from his fans. He has stolen from his peers.

Fair points, I think.