They know how to do it

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Crikey, traditional Rhineland competition between Duesseldorf (the biggest village in Germany) and
Koeln has spread to u.r.c.

Well the NG's been a bit quiet recently.

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Did you live in Duesseldorf or somewhere close?

Lived in Erkrath, worked in Düsseldorf.

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Crikey, traditional Rhineland competition between Duesseldorf (the biggest village in Germany)
and Koeln has spread to u.r.c.

Well the NG's been a bit quiet recently.

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Did you live in Duesseldorf or somewhere close?

Lived in Erkrath, worked in Düsseldorf.

We lived in Ratingen, where we're going this weekend. My own allegiance is, of course, to Düsseldorf
rather than Köln.
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Dave Larrington said:

What Michael said. We rode from the rowing strip out at Dagenham-am-Rhein along the river to the
city centre a couple of times in '97 and I didn't notice any horrid whiffy pongs. Better yet are
the smells next to the chocolate museum...

Maybe it was the drains then, I dunno - I was there for several days for a bike show a couple of
years ago and I certainly noticed a horrid whiffy pong, which got decidely worse the nearer I got to
the river. Obviously my experience is not typical though, so perhaps I was just unlucky.

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Plenty of good cycling there too.

Thanks for the tips.

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So why can't we do it over here as well?

Just got my Fahrradstadtplan of Colgne through from Amazon Germany. Good grief! This is not just a
map of cycle routes it's a positive repository of excellent cycling info. As well as the very,
very detrailed *maps* of all the cycling routes in and around Cologne, there's a great booklet on
cycling facilites, bikes on the Rhine (on boats of course) and bikes on the train - plus another
map of all the train routes where trains take bikes, plus lots of Useful Addresses and Useful
Telephone Numbers.

I know London is trying to do similar - but those sweetly scented Germans seem to have it done
most excellently.

To be fair, most cycle maps produced here by cycle campaigns or the likes of CycleCity Guides are
pretty much of the same standard. There's even <shock> been the occasional progressive local
authority which has done similar.

Sadly, too many of the latter think that a vague 'map' with some squiggly lines (but no actual
streets marked) showing their meagre network of cycle routes is adequate as a cycle map. Uh-uh. You
can't navigate with that, and therefore, it's useless..

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Just a thought. Avoid buying beer in cans in Germany. There's a 25 cent deposit on both cans and
bottles. (Getting on for 40% of the price of a can of beer.) The cans are only returnable to the
shop where you bought them but the bottles can go anywhere (within reason). As a result there's
been a major consumer backlash against cans.

Excellent :-) Nothing like a bit of social engineering to get people to Do The Right Thing. If only
this country could do the same.. Deposit bottles mean no (or few) broken bottles on cycle routes,
which is a Good Thing.

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Of course, if you want to bring it home canned beer in Germany is still much cheaper than in the
UK, even allowing for the deposit.

Hmm, we have to get into lifecycle analysis here: I guess it's marginally greener for you to haul
(less heavy) cans back in your panniers (or by some motorised vehicle) and put them in the recycling
when done, than to strain yourself (or use unnecessary extra fuel) clanking bottles back to the UK,
which then can only be recycled rather than reused as they would have been back at home. But just
make sure you do recycle those cans ;-)

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Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little 0.2
litre glasses.

One of my ex-hangouts in Glasgow actually used to brew its own Kölsch on the premises, and very nice
it was too.. ;-) (And it came in pints or halfs..)

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Michael MacClancy said:

The Bergisches Land is to the East of Cologne, stretching from Bergisch Gladbach to Meinerzhagen
and from Radevormwald to Eitorf. Plenty of good cycling there too.

Be careful of Bergisch Gladbach, though, as it is a hotbed of Dark Side activity. One foot inside
the door of Veloladen, and you're doomed ;-)

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Disgruntled Goat said:

Stick to the Weissbier or see if they have Ebbelwoi[1] although that may be a strictly Frankfurt
am Main thing.

[1] AKA apple-wine. Dangerously drinkable falling-down liquid. Best served with Handkase mit
Musik. :-)

I'm pretty sure Ebbelwoi is just a Frankfurt thing. And it's right up there with Koelsch, Altbier
and Rauchbier on the list of Works Of Stan...

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Oh, and the local beer in Cologne is called Koelsch and in pubs usually comes in stupid little
0.2 litre glasses.

*And* it's vile.

Whereas the alt bier from the *real* city just down river (Düsseldorf) is very good indeed. It
also comes is silly little glassed but they are bottomless (i.e. continuously refilled/replaced).

Cologne's alright, BAP rules, but Düsseldorf is a bit sad, but as you say, they keep the beer coming
(esp in the Eurige - sp?). Mind you I enjoyed it when the Toten Hösen (Dead Trousers) were playing
support for U2 in the Müngersdorfer stadion a few years ago, and opened with a verison of
MMWestenhagen's "Ich bin fruh das ich kein Dicker bin" (I'm happy I'm not a fat git) - but with the
lyrics "Ich bin fruh das ich kein Kölner bin" (I'm happy I'm not from Cologne)

For real beer in fully korrect-sized glasses, you have to go to Munich, and I'm going this weekend.

Rory said:

Cologne's alright, BAP rules, but Düsseldorf is a bit sad, but as you say, they keep the beer
coming (esp in the Eurige - sp?). Mind you I enjoyed it when the Toten Hösen (Dead Trousers) were
playing support for U2 in the Müngersdorfer stadion a few years ago, and opened with a verison of
MMWestenhagen's "Ich bin fruh das ich kein Dicker bin" (I'm happy I'm not a fat git) - but with
the lyrics "Ich bin fruh das ich kein Kölner bin" (I'm happy I'm not from Cologne)

Was that the U2 tour where they had the bloody great yellow arch thingie, in 1997? If so, I bicycled
past while they were setting it up...

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Cologne's alright, BAP rules, but Düsseldorf is a bit sad, but as you say, they keep the beer
coming (esp in the Eurige - sp?). Mind you I enjoyed it when the Toten Hösen (Dead Trousers) were
playing support for U2 in the Müngersdorfer stadion a few years ago, and opened with a verison of
MMWestenhagen's "Ich bin fruh das ich kein Dicker bin" (I'm happy I'm not a fat git) - but with
the lyrics "Ich bin fruh das ich kein Kölner bin" (I'm happy I'm not from Cologne)

For real beer in fully korrect-sized glasses, you have to go to Munich, and I'm going this
weekend.

One time I was in Cologne Guns & Roses were in town -- which livened the dull place up a bit -- or
at least their somewhat eccentric fan base did.

For real bear its best to go to Belgium, the Czech Republic or dear old blighty. Munich is the
source of copious quantities of Euro-fizz.

T

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Munich is the source of copious quantities of Euro-fizz.

Wash your mouth out with Tuborg. That really is Euro-fizz. ;-)
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