Lose 1/2 Lb Fast By a Hot Shower? ?

jbuch said:

Recently, I got a digital scale... one which reports in 0.5 lb. incriments.

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower, my
weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Nearly 8 out of 10 times.

Whatever the loss of weight, it appears quite temporary.

So, even after nearly a dozen or more times of a 0.5 lb. "Weight loss",
my average weight is nearly unchanged.

One guess is temporary water weight loss.... perhaps from insensible
perspiration ... during the shower. A glass of water will rewater and
restore the "weight loss".

Anyone else notice anything like this?

Yes. In my case it isn't the shower, it's just reweighing on the scale
after 15-20 minutes. If I weigh and go back to bed for 20 minutes I get
the same effect. My theory is that my scale (a nice mid-level digital
weighing in .2 increments) has two issues - it reads high when "cold", and
it buffers the readings, such that if you hop off and right back on you
don't actually get a re-weighing, it just displays the first value again.
I believe the manufacturers do the latter to make the scales appear more
consistent and reproducible, the initial high is probably a design
problem.

I use my "low weight before I put any clothes on that day" number for
tracking, so I do see a half-pound variance depending on whether I'm in a
hurry and get only the first value, or if I take awhile getting up and
about. (shrug) As long as the numbers keep moving down I'm happy.

KeS

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Quoted message said:

Recently, I got a digital scale... one which reports in 0.5 lb. incriments.

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Nearly 8 out of 10 times.

Whatever the loss of weight, it appears quite temporary.

So, even after nearly a dozen or more times of a 0.5 lb. "Weight loss",
my average weight is nearly unchanged.

One guess is temporary water weight loss.... perhaps from insensible
perspiration ... during the shower. A glass of water will rewater and
restore the "weight loss".

Anyone else notice anything like this?

I haven't tried it, but it may also be that the scale itself is slightly
affected by the humidity in the bathroom.

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jbuch said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

You sweat during the shower.

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?
This is why I urge folks early on to stay off the scale except
weekly. You're being crazy stepping on the scale more than
once per day.

Fat is not water. Both are effected by gravity.

Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot
shower, my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

You sweat during the shower.

You don't sweat half a pound (a pint) during a 10-minute shower.

Quoted message said:

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

I thought we were clear - trying to get a consistent, accurate reading.
Both the OP and myself find our consumer-grade scales to produce
inconsistent first-weigh results.

Quoted message said:

This is why I urge folks early on to stay off the scale except
weekly. You're being crazy stepping on the scale more than
once per day.

Not everyone subscribes to your philosophy, is scared of scales, or
willing to accept your diagnosis of mental health.

I've already pointed out that if you only weigh once a week, and you are
suffering whatever weight vagaries at the time (water retention, bad
scale, woman's TOM, all the variables), that just sets you up to be
miserable for an entire week rather than one day. The premise that
weighing once a week somehow averages out the results is false.

If you want to weigh once a week, fine. Once a month, fine - never, fine.
I want to track what's happening daily, so I can correlate it with my
daily intake and exercise. The difference is that I don't judge your
decision, and you call mine "crazy".

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Fat is not water. Both are effected by gravity.

No, they're affected by gravity. "Effected" means "caused".

KeS

You have to realize that you don't need to sweat off a half pound of water
for the scale to go down half a pound. It has to round off, so if you
actually weighed x.3 pounds it would tell you that you weighed x.5 pounds,
then if you lost .1 pound of weight, at x.2 pounds it would tell you that
you weighed x.0.

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Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot
shower, my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

You sweat during the shower.

You don't sweat half a pound (a pint) during a 10-minute shower.

Quoted message said:

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

I thought we were clear - trying to get a consistent, accurate reading.
Both the OP and myself find our consumer-grade scales to produce
inconsistent first-weigh results.

Quoted message said:

This is why I urge folks early on to stay off the scale except
weekly. You're being crazy stepping on the scale more than
once per day.

Not everyone subscribes to your philosophy, is scared of scales, or
willing to accept your diagnosis of mental health.

I've already pointed out that if you only weigh once a week, and you are
suffering whatever weight vagaries at the time (water retention, bad
scale, woman's TOM, all the variables), that just sets you up to be
miserable for an entire week rather than one day. The premise that
weighing once a week somehow averages out the results is false.

If you want to weigh once a week, fine. Once a month, fine - never, fine.
I want to track what's happening daily, so I can correlate it with my
daily intake and exercise. The difference is that I don't judge your
decision, and you call mine "crazy".

Quoted message said:

Fat is not water. Both are effected by gravity.

No, they're affected by gravity. "Effected" means "caused".

KeS

FOB said:

You have to realize that you don't need to sweat off a half pound of water
for the scale to go down half a pound. It has to round off, so if you
actually weighed x.3 pounds it would tell you that you weighed x.5 pounds,
then if you lost .1 pound of weight, at x.2 pounds it would tell you that
you weighed x.0.

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Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot
shower, my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

You sweat during the shower.

You don't sweat half a pound (a pint) during a 10-minute shower.

Quoted message said:

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

I thought we were clear - trying to get a consistent, accurate reading.
Both the OP and myself find our consumer-grade scales to produce
inconsistent first-weigh results.

Quoted message said:

This is why I urge folks early on to stay off the scale except
weekly. You're being crazy stepping on the scale more than
once per day.

Not everyone subscribes to your philosophy, is scared of scales, or
willing to accept your diagnosis of mental health.

I've already pointed out that if you only weigh once a week, and you are
suffering whatever weight vagaries at the time (water retention, bad
scale, woman's TOM, all the variables), that just sets you up to be
miserable for an entire week rather than one day. The premise that
weighing once a week somehow averages out the results is false.

If you want to weigh once a week, fine. Once a month, fine - never, fine.
I want to track what's happening daily, so I can correlate it with my
daily intake and exercise. The difference is that I don't judge your
decision, and you call mine "crazy".

Quoted message said:

Fat is not water. Both are effected by gravity.

No, they're affected by gravity. "Effected" means "caused".

KeS

1)

Yes, that is all true.

There are times when the coarse resolution (0.5 lbs) can make a
seemingly large change out of just a tiny one. As you described.

But, that would not happen nearly 80% of the time..... it would be more
infrequent for this to happen.

2) Yes, affected is the correct word to have used

3) DON'T tell me what to do with my scale.

I am having fun with this little anomoly and thought it might be fun to
pass along.

Then, we get the "Scale Grump"......

YMMV...... so you can keep on with gripes about what I do, if you need
to, that is.

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Doug Freyburger said:

This is why I urge folks early on to stay off the scale except
weekly. You're being crazy stepping on the scale more than
once per day.

Not everyone subscribes to your philosophy, is scared of scales, or
willing to accept your diagnosis of mental health.

I've already pointed out that if you only weigh once a week, and you are
suffering whatever weight vagaries at the time (water retention, bad
scale, woman's TOM, all the variables), that just sets you up to be
miserable for an entire week rather than one day. The premise that
weighing once a week somehow averages out the results is false.

I agree with you, Kevin. This is one of the reasons I have Doug
filtered -- he consistently blasts people for stepping on the scale and
proclaims it an absolute LAW not to step on it any more than once a
month; once a week is breaking the "rules according to Doug". Once a
day is unTHINKable and more often than that is outright lunacy. He
can't seem to grasp that it's not his way or the highway. Yeah, some
people DO obsess over the scale and and jump on and off it all day long.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless you are just curious about
how your input and output affects your weight throughout the day and
then it's more of an objective observation. If you've discovered that
your scale consistently reads lower at the 2nd reading, then that seems
to be a reasonable reason to step on it twice.

I lose very slowly and often when I reach a new low weight, it bounces
up and down 1-3 lbs over the week or two following that. If I only
caught it on an up day, I might miss the new LOW weight and think that
the higher one is more accurate when that's just not the case. When I
hit a new low, I CLAIM it -- if it goes back up again, I KNOW it's not
fat; it's water, food or waste products. Knowing my daily weight also
tells me when something might be going on such as an impending TOM
(important to me because I'm in peri-menopause now and never know if
it's going to be 4 weeks, 8 weeks or just 2 weeks away. If my weight
inexpicably goes up 2-3 lbs overnight, chances are that it's on the
horizon. Or maybe I ate something with a lot of sodium. Whatever the
reason is, it gets my attention and I make note of it, but I don't
obsess over it. It's useful information. I don't step on the scale
more often than once a day and it's first thing in the morning, naked
and after the morning pee -- it's just more consistent that way. Since
my scale is solar-powered and I keep it under something when I'm not
using it, pretty much all my weighings are "cold" other than the 1-2
other times I step on it at the within the same timeframe (sometimes
it's up or down by .5 lb (I always take the lower reading :-)

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jbuch said:

Recently, I got a digital scale... one which reports in 0.5 lb. incriments.

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Nearly 8 out of 10 times.

Whatever the loss of weight, it appears quite temporary.

So, even after nearly a dozen or more times of a 0.5 lb. "Weight loss",
my average weight is nearly unchanged.

One guess is temporary water weight loss.... perhaps from insensible
perspiration ... during the shower. A glass of water will rewater and
restore the "weight loss".

Anyone else notice anything like this?

Jim

I just have to ask...

Why do you weigh both before and after showering? How much do you think
dirt weighs? <g>

It is the scale, this has been discussed before. Except for the very
expensive temperature compensated scales, bathroom heat will affect
readings. People often comment on variations between summer and winter
readings; in winter showering/heating varies the bathroom temperature
more than in summer where it remains consistent.

I forked out for a temperature compensated scale last year to stop
variations depending on whether my wife or I used the shower first. It
amounted to a two pound difference on the first scales I used. The new
scales are consistent regardless of bathroom temperature.

Regards

David

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Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

You sweat during the shower.

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

What in blazes gives you the right to dictate to others how they should
go about doing things.

Quoted message said:

This is why I urge folks early on to stay off the scale except
weekly.

I guess that you wouldn't recommend watching the speedometer as you
drive either; it is a similar concept. During your recommended week, a
person could gain quite a bit of weight. With daily weighing any
tendency to gain can be noticed and rectified well before it presents a
problem.

The only thing that I regard as sensible with regard to weighing, is to
do at under the same conditions everyday. With me, they means first
thing in the morning, after necessary attention to toilette etc., and
before drinking or eating.

You're being crazy stepping on the scale more than

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once per day.

Wow. And your rather excited response to a habit that doesn't concern or
affect you is totally rational?

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Fat is not water. Both are effected by gravity.

Beyond the fact that both of your preceding sentences belabour the
obvious, do they have any real purpose?

Regards

David

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Quoted message said:

jbuch said:

Recently, I got a digital scale... one which reports in 0.5 lb.

incriments.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Nearly 8 out of 10 times.

Whatever the loss of weight, it appears quite temporary.

So, even after nearly a dozen or more times of a 0.5 lb. "Weight loss",
my average weight is nearly unchanged.

One guess is temporary water weight loss.... perhaps from insensible
perspiration ... during the shower. A glass of water will rewater and
restore the "weight loss".

Anyone else notice anything like this?

Jim

I just have to ask...

Why do you weigh both before and after showering? How much do you think
dirt weighs? <g>

It is the scale, this has been discussed before. Except for the very
expensive temperature compensated scales, bathroom heat will affect
readings. People often comment on variations between summer and winter
readings; in winter showering/heating varies the bathroom temperature
more than in summer where it remains consistent.

I forked out for a temperature compensated scale last year to stop
variations depending on whether my wife or I used the shower first. It
amounted to a two pound difference on the first scales I used. The new
scales are consistent regardless of bathroom temperature.

Regards

David

What brand and model are you using, and what's its resolution? Are you
happy with it?

GG
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Computer-Assisted Weight Management

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jbuch said:

Recently, I got a digital scale... one which reports in 0.5 lb.
incriments.

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot
shower, my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Nearly 8 out of 10 times.

Whatever the loss of weight, it appears quite temporary.

So, even after nearly a dozen or more times of a 0.5 lb. "Weight
loss",
my average weight is nearly unchanged.

One guess is temporary water weight loss.... perhaps from insensible
perspiration ... during the shower. A glass of water will rewater and
restore the "weight loss".

Anyone else notice anything like this?

Jim

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Quoted message said:

Anyone else notice anything like this?

Yes. In my case it isn't the shower, it's just reweighing on the scale
after 15-20 minutes.

My scales too. I can get different results by weighing in the nude, putting
my dressing-gown on and re-weigh, then in the nude again.

I plot my weight on a graph, having learnt that trends are more important
than whatever the daily fluctuations are doing.

Nicky.

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A1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/76/72Kg

I think it makes a difference how you stand on the scale, it's hard to stand
in exactly the same spot every time.

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Nicky <[email hidden]> stated
| <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
||| Anyone else notice anything like this?
||
|| Yes. In my case it isn't the shower, it's just reweighing on the
|| scale after 15-20 minutes.
|
| My scales too. I can get different results by weighing in the nude,
| putting my dressing-gown on and re-weigh, then in the nude again.
|
| I plot my weight on a graph, having learnt that trends are more
| important than whatever the daily fluctuations are doing.
|
| Nicky.
|
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| 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
| 95/76/72Kg

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I think it makes a difference how you stand on the scale, it's hard to
stand
in exactly the same spot every time.

Not to mention the jumping up and down - the leaning from side to side - the
finger still on the wall for balance even after the thing's started its
countdown - and the kicking it when it doesn't tell the right story : ) I
only count its lies as true on Mondays...

Nicky.

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1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/76/72Kg

J. David Anderson said:

Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Quoted message said:

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

What in blazes gives you the right to dictate to others how they should
go about doing things.

Check context and do the arithmatic.

Context - Poster with 9 posts 4 on ASDLC hence just starting.
Just starting is meaningfull context. There are lots of people
just starting so there is plenty of traffic for comparison.

Arithmatic - Fat is 3500-4000 calories per pound. Human
metabolism can be driven as low as 1000 per day or as high as
4000 per day. Both extremes take a lot of effort and fat
is not the only fuel burned. Burning more than 1000 calories
takes unusual circumstances.

If you could figure out how to boost metabolism to peak and
burn all fat, fat loss would still peak at a pound per day and
no one acheives that extreme. Hence weighing with any
expectation of loss within a day is not rational. Expecting
weekly losses is common early on but even weekly new lows
don't happen on demand so weighings more than weekly are
unrealistic without doing a smoothing formula.

Who says they are weighing with an expectation of losing? I weigh with the
expectation that the scale will tell me what I weigh, whether it is up, down
or the same. It's nice for a lot of us to know even that we aren't gaining.
You only think you can get into other people's minds.

In news:[email hidden],
Doug Freyburger <[email hidden]> stated
|
| Check context and do the arithmatic.
|
| Context - Poster with 9 posts 4 on ASDLC hence just starting.
| Just starting is meaningfull context. There are lots of people
| just starting so there is plenty of traffic for comparison.
|
| Arithmatic - Fat is 3500-4000 calories per pound. Human
| metabolism can be driven as low as 1000 per day or as high as
| 4000 per day. Both extremes take a lot of effort and fat
| is not the only fuel burned. Burning more than 1000 calories
| takes unusual circumstances.
|
| If you could figure out how to boost metabolism to peak and
| burn all fat, fat loss would still peak at a pound per day and
| no one acheives that extreme. Hence weighing with any
| expectation of loss within a day is not rational. Expecting
| weekly losses is common early on but even weekly new lows
| don't happen on demand so weighings more than weekly are
| unrealistic without doing a smoothing formula.

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Doug Freyburger said:

J. David Anderson said:

Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch wrote:

Quoted message said:

>I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
>my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Quoted message said:

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

What in blazes gives you the right to dictate to others how they should
go about doing things.

Check context and do the arithmatic.

Context - Poster with 9 posts 4 on ASDLC hence just starting.
Just starting is meaningfull context. There are lots of people
just starting so there is plenty of traffic for comparison.

Arithmatic - Fat is 3500-4000 calories per pound. Human
metabolism can be driven as low as 1000 per day or as high as
4000 per day. Both extremes take a lot of effort and fat
is not the only fuel burned. Burning more than 1000 calories
takes unusual circumstances.

If you could figure out how to boost metabolism to peak and
burn all fat, fat loss would still peak at a pound per day and
no one acheives that extreme. Hence weighing with any
expectation of loss within a day is not rational. Expecting
weekly losses is common early on but even weekly new lows
don't happen on demand so weighings more than weekly are
unrealistic without doing a smoothing formula.

Every time I go to the gym, I weigh in before and after I'm done. I
always lose at least 1 lb. and most of the time (like this morning) I am
2 lbs. lighter when I weigh out at the end of my aerobics and lifting.

It's all lost from sweat and usually means deyhdration. I make sure I
consume 2 lbs. worth of water over the next couple of hours. ;-)

My weight can fluctuate up and down 5 lbs. in a single day due to water
weight! It's not "real" weight loss/gain in other words.

1/2 lb. is only 1/2 pint of water. If the shower is hot enough, it's
possible to sweat that much off......

Just my 2 cents!
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Doug Freyburger said:

J. David Anderson said:

Doug Freyburger said:

jbuch wrote:

Quoted message said:

>I have notices that most of the time, after taking a warm or hot shower,
>my weight is down by 0.5 lbs.

Quoted message said:

What the blazes are you doing stepping on the scale so often?

What in blazes gives you the right to dictate to others how they should
go about doing things.

Check context and do the arithmatic.

Not relevant.

Quoted message said:

Context - Poster with 9 posts 4 on ASDLC hence just starting.
Just starting is meaningfull context. There are lots of people
just starting so there is plenty of traffic for comparison.

Not relevant.

Quoted message said:

Arithmatic - Fat is 3500-4000 calories per pound. Human
metabolism can be driven as low as 1000 per day or as high as
4000 per day. Both extremes take a lot of effort and fat
is not the only fuel burned. Burning more than 1000 calories
takes unusual circumstances.

Not relevant, not comprehensible, and not accurate.

Quoted message said:

If you could figure out how to boost metabolism to peak and
burn all fat, fat loss would still peak at a pound per day and
no one acheives that extreme.

Last year I dropped close to sixty lbs in sixty days. I dropped my
calorie intake by in excess of 2000 calories per day down, from a norm
of between 3500 and 4000 to 1500-1800 and exercised for a minimum of two
hours per day, often up to four. It was quite easy to drop a pound per day.

I weighed every morning. Now I weigh every morning to ensure that I am
regaining muscle weight and not dropping any further. I am gaining less
than a couple of pounds a month, but I still weigh every day because it
is quite easy for me to begin dropping weight again and I want to
correct that if it happens.

Hence weighing with any

Quoted message said:

expectation of loss within a day is not rational.

Why would you assume people only weigh to check for fat loss?

You can quite easily gain half a pound or so of fat in a day. If you
begin to gain, you need to know, even if only as an indication for those
in ketosis that they may have dropped out. If you wait a week before
trying to correct a problem with diet or exercise, what could have been
remedied in a day or two may then take weeks or more.

Also you are assuming that everyone's scales only measure in whole
pounds. Not so, many current digital scales indicate fractions of a
pound, so even if you are only varying by a pound or so a week, daily
weighing, under proper conditions, will indicate steady weight gain or loss.

What is relevant is your bombastic attitude to others' personal habits.

There is nothing wrong with daily weighing for those who wish to monitor
their diet more closely than you seem to feel appropriate.

Expecting

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weekly losses is common early on but even weekly new lows
don't happen on demand so weighings more than weekly are
unrealistic without doing a smoothing formula.

Once again, people do not weigh simply in the expectation of having lost
weight; it is also to warn of weight gain or possibly a change in the
rate of loss or gain. You don't seem to think things through.

David

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