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  1. Tim Lines said:


    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

  2. Dan Spisak said:

    A good picture except for the loser in the middle. But that is what he
    was in the campaign: in the middle. He had no plan for Iraq or anything
    else. All he did was critize - just another cheap politician.

    In retrospect, the election was decided in early 2003. Shrub created a
    problem with no solution. With no viable alternative, 50.something% of
    voters defaulted to the incumbent.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    Add in the facts that Lance is at least fairly intelligent and clearly
    agnostic, and I put the odds on him being at least a bit more of a Kerry
    fan than Shrub. Sheryl Crow will push him further to the light side of
    political ideology.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  4. "Raptor" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    No, pre-war he came out against the invasion. Maybe it was just a ploy to
    get into Sheryl pants?

  5. PanFan said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Since the Iraq war started, the price of oil has jumped from $30 per
    barrel to roughly $58 per barrel. The Saudis produce about 12 million
    barrels per day. The Saudis are MAKING $336 million more per day since
    the war began.

    Stewart Fleming said:

    Did you hear the conspiracy theory that Bush was actually a Saudi agent?

    Rove must have started that theory too.

  6. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    It's such well informed opinions as these that account for great
    success that the Democratic party has had in Congressional,
    Senatorial, and Presidential elections recently.

    Democrates need to come up with a little better slogan than "Vote for
    Us or you must be miss-informed, religious bigot, moron!".

  7. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    It's such well informed opinions as these that account for great
    success that the Democratic party has had in Congressional,
    Senatorial, and Presidential elections recently.

    Democrates need to come up with a little better slogan than "Vote for
    Us or you must be miss-informed, religious bigot, moron!".

  8. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    It's such well informed opinions as these that account for great
    success that the Democratic party has had in Congressional,
    Senatorial, and Presidential elections recently.

    Democrates need to come up with a little better slogan than "Vote for
    Us or you must be miss-informed, religious bigot, moron!".

  9. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    It's such well informed opinions as these that account for great
    success that the Democratic party has had in Congressional,
    Senatorial, and Presidential elections recently.

    Democrates need to come up with a little better slogan than "Vote for
    Us or you must be miss-informed, religious bigot, moron!".

  10. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    It's such well informed opinions as these that account for great
    success that the Democratic party has had in Congressional,
    Senatorial, and Presidential elections recently.

    Democrates need to come up with a little better slogan than "Vote for
    Us or you must be miss-informed, religious bigot, moron!".

  11. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently Kerry is there at LA's invitation. Crow worked for Kerry in
    2004 and Armstrong and Crow were in Boston for the post-election party.

    Crow is a flaming libbie. I knew there was somthing I liked about her.
    Something else, I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe Armstrong has figured out that Bush is a sociopath who uses him
    to further his own political objectives,

    Can't tell from Lance's comments, as far as I have seen. (Not sure I
    agree with it either. I don't think Shrub is a sociopath.)

    that Bush got us involved in a

    Quoted message said:

    stupid war whose cost in American lives, money and international
    influence is almost beyond conprehension,

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    and that the Republican Party

    Quoted message said:

    no longer represents individualism but instead stands for borrowing
    money from the Chinese to wage a wasteful war and finance taxcuts and
    war profiteering for Bush's cronies, for wasted US military power, for
    rightwing fundamentalism shoved down your throat, and for a gang of
    creeps that are willing to do anything, no matter how treasonous, in
    their pursuit of power.

    Have no clue what Lance thinks about this.

    I have yet to find an intelligent AND informed person who voted for
    Shrub. (And I live in Utah; the odds are there for such people to
    exist.) As near as I can tell, you voted for Shrub only if you were:

    stupid (including failure to think about your vote),
    ill- or mis-informed,
    a religious activist.

    It's such well informed opinions as these that account for great
    success that the Democratic party has had in Congressional,
    Senatorial, and Presidential elections recently.

    Democrates need to come up with a little better slogan than "Vote for
    Us or you must be miss-informed, religious bigot, moron!".

  12. Carl Sundquist said:


    Tim Lines said:

    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

    My guess would be that she could do without the crass part.

    My guess could be wrong. I've only had my cable hooked up for 2+ weeks
    now after living without for 10 years. Some of that [censored] qualifies as
    crass commercialism and if it's on, somebody must like it. I'd bet that
    if I figured out who likes that [censored], I'd find that it's appeal crosses
    political boundaries. I'd bet more than I have on that.

  13. Carl Sundquist said:


    Tim Lines said:

    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

    My guess would be that she could do without the crass part.

    My guess could be wrong. I've only had my cable hooked up for 2+ weeks
    now after living without for 10 years. Some of that [censored] qualifies as
    crass commercialism and if it's on, somebody must like it. I'd bet that
    if I figured out who likes that [censored], I'd find that it's appeal crosses
    political boundaries. I'd bet more than I have on that.

  14. Carl Sundquist said:


    Tim Lines said:

    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

    My guess would be that she could do without the crass part.

    My guess could be wrong. I've only had my cable hooked up for 2+ weeks
    now after living without for 10 years. Some of that [censored] qualifies as
    crass commercialism and if it's on, somebody must like it. I'd bet that
    if I figured out who likes that [censored], I'd find that it's appeal crosses
    political boundaries. I'd bet more than I have on that.

  15. Carl Sundquist said:


    Tim Lines said:

    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

    My guess would be that she could do without the crass part.

    My guess could be wrong. I've only had my cable hooked up for 2+ weeks
    now after living without for 10 years. Some of that [censored] qualifies as
    crass commercialism and if it's on, somebody must like it. I'd bet that
    if I figured out who likes that [censored], I'd find that it's appeal crosses
    political boundaries. I'd bet more than I have on that.

  16. Carl Sundquist said:


    Tim Lines said:

    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

    My guess would be that she could do without the crass part.

    My guess could be wrong. I've only had my cable hooked up for 2+ weeks
    now after living without for 10 years. Some of that [censored] qualifies as
    crass commercialism and if it's on, somebody must like it. I'd bet that
    if I figured out who likes that [censored], I'd find that it's appeal crosses
    political boundaries. I'd bet more than I have on that.

  17. Carl Sundquist said:


    Tim Lines said:

    Is there someone who really loves "crass commercialism"?

    Mrs. Kerry?

    My guess would be that she could do without the crass part.

    My guess could be wrong. I've only had my cable hooked up for 2+ weeks
    now after living without for 10 years. Some of that [censored] qualifies as
    crass commercialism and if it's on, somebody must like it. I'd bet that
    if I figured out who likes that [censored], I'd find that it's appeal crosses
    political boundaries. I'd bet more than I have on that.

  18. trg said:

    "Raptor" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    No, pre-war he came out against the invasion. Maybe it was just a ploy to
    get into Sheryl pants?

    And that is a stronger, more sensible basis for maintaining a political
    stance than most Americans have.

  19. trg said:

    "Raptor" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    No, pre-war he came out against the invasion. Maybe it was just a ploy to
    get into Sheryl pants?

    And that is a stronger, more sensible basis for maintaining a political
    stance than most Americans have.

  20. trg said:

    "Raptor" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Likely (that Lance realizes this) if you do a lot of reading between the
    lines of what he's said. His few comments about the war have been
    non-committal.

    No, pre-war he came out against the invasion. Maybe it was just a ploy to
    get into Sheryl pants?

    And that is a stronger, more sensible basis for maintaining a political
    stance than most Americans have.

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