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  1. David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    DZ

  2. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  3. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  4. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  5. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  6. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  7. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  8. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  9. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    Unfortunately, dogs and cats are just like humans in that respect; the
    single most significant factor is genetics. You can feed a Great Dane
    the finest dog food in the world, but it still won't live a long life
    (even in doggy years).

    Of course. Obviously I was talking about modifiable factors.

    But even the horribly short lived giant breeds can live their lives
    healthier with proper nutrition.

    David

  10. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  11. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  12. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  13. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  14. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  15. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  16. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  17. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a
    very
    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super
    premium
    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    I grew up with a cat who lived 25 years. She never tried "cat food" as
    it wasn't common at the time in Russia. Her primary diet was Alaska
    Pollock - not only it was the cheapest, but she seemed to prefer it to
    other kinds of meat. We'd buy the fillet frozen, then defrost, and
    she'd eat it raw.

    And, she smoked two packs a day and downed a quart of vodka. Damned cat was
    a [censored] when drunk.

    David

  18. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > Here is some more info about belt fed rifles and .22 caliber machine
    > guns. http://www.lakesideguns.com/
    >
    > Look at bottom of page.

    It's a nice looking rifle, but...

    It's semi-auto 🙁

    Hey David, I just got a puppy.

    Semi-auto ?

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly black lab, part German Shepherd and a pinch of pit bull. Cute as
    the dickins.

    Jpegs forthcoming, or don't talk to me.

    Quoted message said:

    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a


    very

    Quoted message said:

    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super


    premium

    Quoted message said:

    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    Dog foods can be divided into 4 groups, with regard to quality of
    ingredients. The big dog food companies...Hills, for example...want you to
    believe that quality is irrelevant; that percent macronutrients is the
    important issue. They want you to believe that as long as a dog food has


    x%

    Quoted message said:

    protein, y%calcium, z%phosphorus, etcetera, that it's a good food. Protein
    from free range chicken and protein from road kill pigeon is the same, to
    them. You could LITERALLY make a dog food that meets AAFCO guidelines from
    elephant [censored] and the slop shoveled off the slaughter house floor.

    So, for me, quality of ingredients is the key issue. In this regard, let's
    start at the bottom.

    Generic store brands. The 50 pound bag for $8 stuff from Wal-Mart, Costco,
    whoever. Garbage. No difference between any of them. Most contain traces


    of

    Quoted message said:

    pentobarbital, which comes only from euthanized pets. No, thanks. Leave


    this

    Quoted message said:

    stuff to the operators of puppy mills, may they rot in hell.

    Moderate step up are the common brands found in every supermarket: Purina
    Dog Chow, Kibbles And Bits, etcetera. Better than the generics, but not by
    much. Again, small difference in quality among the members of this group.

    Large step up are the premium dog foods, found in some supermarkets and


    all

    Quoted message said:

    pet stores. Much better quality, but far from ideal. However, a dog would


    be

    Quoted message said:

    much better off eating these than anything from the lower groups. Examples
    are Science Diet, Iams, Nutro.

    An ENORMOUS step up in quality, where your new puppy deserves to be, are


    the

    Quoted message said:

    super premium dog foods. These contain the highest quality ingredients,


    are

    Quoted message said:

    packaged with care, and are expiration dated. Some pet stores carry them,
    but are easily obtained online. The differences between them is not


    quality,

    Quoted message said:

    but philosophy. Some believe in mixing many protein sources, others


    believe

    Quoted message said:

    not. Some use chicken, some do not like the quality available of most
    chicken in the US. Some like a higher % of protein, others a bit lower.
    Etcetera. But quality is extremely high for all.

    There are only a couple dozen such foods in the US and Canada. Local
    availability could be the overriding factor. Remember, they are ALL most
    excellent. Some examples are:

    www.canidae,com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    A few notes on the above. Solid Gold is an excellent dog food, but their
    marketing and advertising ethics would make a used car salesman blush, so


    I

    Quoted message said:

    strongly advise against buying their stuff.

    I personally use Canidae and Merrick. Canidae dry mixed with Merrick's
    amazing assortment of canned foods. This provides varying taste, for
    enjoyment, and a wide range of protein sources. But, as I stated above,


    they

    Quoted message said:

    are all excellent.

    I am a dedicated member of the Life Extension Foundation, and take dozens


    of

    Quoted message said:

    supplements, so, as you might imagine, I supplement the dog food.
    Weight-adjusted amounts of plain regular yogurt, Missing Link, LEF's Dog
    Mix, Pet Tab, and flaxseed oil.

    OK, where's the jpegs?

    David


    There is no question that your dog eats better than I do.

  19. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > Here is some more info about belt fed rifles and .22 caliber machine
    > guns. http://www.lakesideguns.com/
    >
    > Look at bottom of page.

    It's a nice looking rifle, but...

    It's semi-auto 🙁

    Hey David, I just got a puppy.

    Semi-auto ?

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly black lab, part German Shepherd and a pinch of pit bull. Cute as
    the dickins.

    Jpegs forthcoming, or don't talk to me.

    Quoted message said:

    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a


    very

    Quoted message said:

    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super


    premium

    Quoted message said:

    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    Dog foods can be divided into 4 groups, with regard to quality of
    ingredients. The big dog food companies...Hills, for example...want you to
    believe that quality is irrelevant; that percent macronutrients is the
    important issue. They want you to believe that as long as a dog food has


    x%

    Quoted message said:

    protein, y%calcium, z%phosphorus, etcetera, that it's a good food. Protein
    from free range chicken and protein from road kill pigeon is the same, to
    them. You could LITERALLY make a dog food that meets AAFCO guidelines from
    elephant [censored] and the slop shoveled off the slaughter house floor.

    So, for me, quality of ingredients is the key issue. In this regard, let's
    start at the bottom.

    Generic store brands. The 50 pound bag for $8 stuff from Wal-Mart, Costco,
    whoever. Garbage. No difference between any of them. Most contain traces


    of

    Quoted message said:

    pentobarbital, which comes only from euthanized pets. No, thanks. Leave


    this

    Quoted message said:

    stuff to the operators of puppy mills, may they rot in hell.

    Moderate step up are the common brands found in every supermarket: Purina
    Dog Chow, Kibbles And Bits, etcetera. Better than the generics, but not by
    much. Again, small difference in quality among the members of this group.

    Large step up are the premium dog foods, found in some supermarkets and


    all

    Quoted message said:

    pet stores. Much better quality, but far from ideal. However, a dog would


    be

    Quoted message said:

    much better off eating these than anything from the lower groups. Examples
    are Science Diet, Iams, Nutro.

    An ENORMOUS step up in quality, where your new puppy deserves to be, are


    the

    Quoted message said:

    super premium dog foods. These contain the highest quality ingredients,


    are

    Quoted message said:

    packaged with care, and are expiration dated. Some pet stores carry them,
    but are easily obtained online. The differences between them is not


    quality,

    Quoted message said:

    but philosophy. Some believe in mixing many protein sources, others


    believe

    Quoted message said:

    not. Some use chicken, some do not like the quality available of most
    chicken in the US. Some like a higher % of protein, others a bit lower.
    Etcetera. But quality is extremely high for all.

    There are only a couple dozen such foods in the US and Canada. Local
    availability could be the overriding factor. Remember, they are ALL most
    excellent. Some examples are:

    www.canidae,com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    A few notes on the above. Solid Gold is an excellent dog food, but their
    marketing and advertising ethics would make a used car salesman blush, so


    I

    Quoted message said:

    strongly advise against buying their stuff.

    I personally use Canidae and Merrick. Canidae dry mixed with Merrick's
    amazing assortment of canned foods. This provides varying taste, for
    enjoyment, and a wide range of protein sources. But, as I stated above,


    they

    Quoted message said:

    are all excellent.

    I am a dedicated member of the Life Extension Foundation, and take dozens


    of

    Quoted message said:

    supplements, so, as you might imagine, I supplement the dog food.
    Weight-adjusted amounts of plain regular yogurt, Missing Link, LEF's Dog
    Mix, Pet Tab, and flaxseed oil.

    OK, where's the jpegs?

    David


    There is no question that your dog eats better than I do.

  20. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > Here is some more info about belt fed rifles and .22 caliber machine
    > guns. http://www.lakesideguns.com/
    >
    > Look at bottom of page.

    It's a nice looking rifle, but...

    It's semi-auto 🙁

    Hey David, I just got a puppy.

    Semi-auto ?

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly black lab, part German Shepherd and a pinch of pit bull. Cute as
    the dickins.

    Jpegs forthcoming, or don't talk to me.

    Quoted message said:

    So, you being the dog authority around here, what food should I get her?
    She's seven weeks btw. And maybe something from Costco? Lamb and rice
    good? Brand(s)?

    Costco, huh? Oh, this is gonna' be painful 🙁

    Here's my philosophy. Dogs, and cat for that matter, have very short life
    spans, when compared to humans. Of course, to them, it is their entire
    normal life, but to those of us who value their companionship, it IS a


    very

    Quoted message said:

    short time. Therefore, I believe it is important to maximize both their
    total life span AND their healthy life span. There are very few things we
    can do in this regard. Regular veterinary care, protection from hazards,
    regular exercise, and...proper nutrition.

    The cost difference between generic Costco brand and the best super


    premium

    Quoted message said:

    brand, over the lifetime of the dog, is minimal, but the increase in
    lifespan, especially healthy lifespan, is, to me, priceless.

    Dog foods can be divided into 4 groups, with regard to quality of
    ingredients. The big dog food companies...Hills, for example...want you to
    believe that quality is irrelevant; that percent macronutrients is the
    important issue. They want you to believe that as long as a dog food has


    x%

    Quoted message said:

    protein, y%calcium, z%phosphorus, etcetera, that it's a good food. Protein
    from free range chicken and protein from road kill pigeon is the same, to
    them. You could LITERALLY make a dog food that meets AAFCO guidelines from
    elephant [censored] and the slop shoveled off the slaughter house floor.

    So, for me, quality of ingredients is the key issue. In this regard, let's
    start at the bottom.

    Generic store brands. The 50 pound bag for $8 stuff from Wal-Mart, Costco,
    whoever. Garbage. No difference between any of them. Most contain traces


    of

    Quoted message said:

    pentobarbital, which comes only from euthanized pets. No, thanks. Leave


    this

    Quoted message said:

    stuff to the operators of puppy mills, may they rot in hell.

    Moderate step up are the common brands found in every supermarket: Purina
    Dog Chow, Kibbles And Bits, etcetera. Better than the generics, but not by
    much. Again, small difference in quality among the members of this group.

    Large step up are the premium dog foods, found in some supermarkets and


    all

    Quoted message said:

    pet stores. Much better quality, but far from ideal. However, a dog would


    be

    Quoted message said:

    much better off eating these than anything from the lower groups. Examples
    are Science Diet, Iams, Nutro.

    An ENORMOUS step up in quality, where your new puppy deserves to be, are


    the

    Quoted message said:

    super premium dog foods. These contain the highest quality ingredients,


    are

    Quoted message said:

    packaged with care, and are expiration dated. Some pet stores carry them,
    but are easily obtained online. The differences between them is not


    quality,

    Quoted message said:

    but philosophy. Some believe in mixing many protein sources, others


    believe

    Quoted message said:

    not. Some use chicken, some do not like the quality available of most
    chicken in the US. Some like a higher % of protein, others a bit lower.
    Etcetera. But quality is extremely high for all.

    There are only a couple dozen such foods in the US and Canada. Local
    availability could be the overriding factor. Remember, they are ALL most
    excellent. Some examples are:

    www.canidae,com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    A few notes on the above. Solid Gold is an excellent dog food, but their
    marketing and advertising ethics would make a used car salesman blush, so


    I

    Quoted message said:

    strongly advise against buying their stuff.

    I personally use Canidae and Merrick. Canidae dry mixed with Merrick's
    amazing assortment of canned foods. This provides varying taste, for
    enjoyment, and a wide range of protein sources. But, as I stated above,


    they

    Quoted message said:

    are all excellent.

    I am a dedicated member of the Life Extension Foundation, and take dozens


    of

    Quoted message said:

    supplements, so, as you might imagine, I supplement the dog food.
    Weight-adjusted amounts of plain regular yogurt, Missing Link, LEF's Dog
    Mix, Pet Tab, and flaxseed oil.

    OK, where's the jpegs?

    David


    There is no question that your dog eats better than I do.

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