Thoughts on Cinelli Super Corsa??

If you decide to go with an American builder, check with Albert Eisentraut @
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one of the premier framer builders in America for decades. I, too, like the looks of the older
Italian frames and ended up buying a custom Eisentraut a couple years ago. It is a great bike. scott

Eurastus said:

Many moons ago (like 24 years--back in 1979) when I first started serious road riding as a
freshman in high school, one of the guys I rode with quite regularly had a beautiful Cinelli with
a brand new Campy Nuovo Record group--he even had a Cinelli saddle. What a bike. I was on a
pitiful Schwinn Traveler III and dreamed of the day I could afford such a machine.

Well, now I can. I've been looking about for a steel framed replacement for my 15-year-old 7-speed
steed and happened into this site: gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗.

They've got a beautiful Cinelli Super Corsa in a color I like and just the right size.

I intend to equip it with a full Campy Record 10 triple group.

I want to stay with steel.

So here's my questions:

What is the reputation of Cinelli steel frames? Back in the day, they were considered the very
best, but is this still the case?

The guy that runs GVH Bikes appears to have had some health problems and his shop is closed
indefinitely. Is there another source for the Cinelli Super Corsa I could turn to should I decide
to purchase?

Anything else you can tell me about the Cinelli Super Corsa?

Thanks much...

Scott said:

If you decide to go with an American builder, check with Albert Eisentraut @
eisentraut.comeisentraut.comOpen ↗ If I am not mistaken, at one time Albert built Cinellis.

What would make you think that? Eisentraut has been building his own bikes for a long time. When
would he have worked for Cinelli?

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Scott said:

If you decide to go with an American builder, check with Albert

Eisentraut

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@ eisentraut.comeisentraut.comOpen ↗ If I am not mistaken, at one time Albert built Cinellis.

What would make you think that? Eisentraut has been building his own bikes for a long time. When
would he have worked for Cinelli?

Agree, Eisentraut has never worked for Cinelli. He learned his trade from the Master frame builder
Oscar Wastyn. Outside of maybe Richard Sachs, Albert Eisentraut is the *premier* American frame
builder and is also known as the "Godfather of American Framebuilding". For more on him see here:

bicycletrader.com21articles.htmlOpen ↗

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There is nothing wrong with the "new" Cinelli Super Corsa. I have sold and built one myself and
the customer loves it! I do have one small complaint about the seat binder system but it seems to
be holding up as I have had

no

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complaints from the above mentioned customer since he bought it 5 years

ago.

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Since GVH is closed indefinitly, I would be happy to match his rediculusly low price if want to
get one. brmATpolitesociety.com

Those seat binder bolts are ridiculous.

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Robin Hubert said:

Those seat binder bolts are ridiculous.

I haven't seen one of these close up, but the old Cinelli seat binder treatment and seat
lug/seatstay joint were elegant and functional. What has changed?

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I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought steel was the worst as far
as comfort goes.

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I don't race anymore, so pure performance isn't an issue. I'm looking for traditional looks,
comfort, and longevity. I've owned and raced on

carbon, Ti,

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aluminum, and steel. I just keep coming back to steel.

F1 said:

A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why
anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum or

carbon

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frame, price not withstanding?

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on 03.07.24 8:20, bfd asserted:

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The following are links to just a few of the best, there may be one close to you:

www.richardsachs.com www.eisentraut.com www.rivendellbicycles.com cwo.com~lunarlabOpen ↗
(richard moon) columbinecycle.combikes.htmlOpen ↗

I'd like to add Sacha White of Vanilla Bicycles (www.vanillabicycles.com) in Portland, OR to this
list. I sold a Waterford 1200 and Bridgestone XO-1 to get mine and I have no regrets- it almost
rivals my aluminum track bike for stiffness in acceleration. At about just over a grand for a
sweet custom frame with beautiful paint, I'd say get one now while you still can from this
undiscovered artisan. Go for a lugged stem, too- drool-worthy and stiff.

Seng

The list could be a bit longer. Asphalt Magazine, a relatively new mag devoted to road biking only,
has a feature called (I think) 'Bearers of the Torch' to highlight framebuilders. The first issue
profiled Grant Peterson of Rivendell who is the driving force at Riv, designs the bikes, but is not
in the technical sense a framebuilder; he has a couple of other good brazers to do the actual
building. Issue #2 profiled Steve Rex in Sacramento, CA, who does great work. I see Steve's bikes
around here all the time even though I am 2+ hours from Sac.

One key thing I think is important in choosing a builder is to be able to sit down and talk with the
person. I just had a lugged steel frame built and I spent time talking with and riding with the
builder. Gave him a better idea of my riding style and what I was looking for both in functionality
and esthetics. Another key point is patience. Do not try to get a custom and hope you will have it
in a specific time period. My bike took 21 weeks; Riv is taking 6 months+, Richard Sachs is even
longer. Most of the lesser known builders will quote 8-12 weeks or so, but do not plan a specific
event on that schedule. Patience is a virtue and the builder will be glad if you give him/her the
time to do the job to their satisfaction. Good craftspeople enjoy doing a good job, many are
perfectionists.

- rick warner

Sorry, I didn't know I was opening the pandora's box.

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I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought steel was the worst as far
as comfort goes.

I don't have an opinion (all I've ever ridden is steel), but many people say that steel is the best
riding of them all.

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F1 said:

I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought steel was the worst as far
as comfort goes.

Comfort depends far more on how the bike is made than what the bike is made of. Witness the "soft"
reputation that aluminum had after the first Vitus and Alan frames that suddenly transmuted into a
"stiff" reputation when Cannondale introduced it's oversized frames.

Baird

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I don't race anymore, so pure performance isn't an issue. I'm looking for traditional looks,
comfort, and longevity. I've owned and raced on

carbon, Ti,

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aluminum, and steel. I just keep coming back to steel.

F1 said:

A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why
anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum or

carbon

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frame, price not withstanding?

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A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and just wondering why anyone
would want anything BUT a good aluminum or carbon frame, price not withstanding?

Because "Steel is Real"

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Because "Steel is Real"

Just in case you haven't been paying attention, all us top riders have long ago given up of steel.

Steel may be ok for building the Golden Gate bridge or laying railway track, but no one can be
competitive on that stuff these days.

Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!

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Robin Hubert said:

Those seat binder bolts are ridiculous.

I haven't seen one of these close up, but the old Cinelli seat binder treatment and seat
lug/seatstay joint were elegant and functional. What

has changed?

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Truthfully, I don't know what's changed, since I don't know Cinelli's of old. But that wimpy
3-piece, two-bolts going into a collar (turnbuckle?) trying to squeeze the stays together is just
asking for trouble. I've tightened enough and replaced enough, and have seen enough good designs to
know that it isn't a good. It might be elegant, but it ain't good.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> from Shaw Residential

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Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!

Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think they don't try climbing
though. They walk up the hills.

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I've ridden them all, and I've always come back to steel. Aluminum is stiff and harsh on my back
(all except one). Ti is squishy, plush indeed, but what I had was too plush in some ways. Carbon
felt lifeless. I think it also depends on the geometry and what grade of materials used as well.

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I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought steel was the worst as
far as comfort goes.

I don't have an opinion (all I've ever ridden is steel), but many people say that steel is the
best riding of them all.

....

Silliness.

I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough. Climbing actually is
quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is characteristic of a spring: you get this compression
and expansion effect which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever walking up a hill, but I'm
sure there's a first.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> from Shaw Residential

Internet said:

Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!

Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think they don't try
climbing though. They walk up the hills.

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I currently own three bikes: a '74 Jack Taylor Reynolds 531 steel, an early 90's Masi Nuova Strada
Reynolds 653 steel and a late 90's Simonetti Easton aluminum. I do sprint rides and time trials on
the Simonetti, but greatly prefer either steel bike for all other riding, including climbs. I live
in Vermont and do a LOT of climbing. I always choose steel when I'm riding over mountain gaps...
reminds me of a great ride a couple weeks ago when a buddy and I did a double gap ride over
Middlebury and Brandon gaps... wonderful! I used my '74 Jack Taylor.

David G. White Burlington, VT

Bill Graham said:

Silliness.

I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough. Climbing actually is
quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is characteristic of a spring: you get this compression
and expansion effect which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever walking up a hill, but I'm
sure there's a first.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> from Shaw Residential

Internet said:

Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!

Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think they don't try
climbing though. They walk up the hills.

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text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> I currently own three bikes: a '74 Jack Taylor Reynolds 531
steel, an early 90's Masi Nuova Strada Reynolds 653 steel and a late 90's Simonetti Easton
aluminum. I do sprint rides and time trials on the Simonetti, but greatly prefer either steel
bike for all other riding, including climbs. I live in Vermont and do a LOT of climbing.
I always choose steel when I'm riding over mountain gaps... reminds me of a great ride a couple
weeks ago when a buddy and I did a double gap ride over Middlebury and Brandon gaps...
wonderful! I used my '74 Jack Taylor.<br> <br> David G. White<br> Burlington, VT<br> <br> Bill
Graham wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" cite="[email hidden]"> <pre
wrap="">Silliness.

I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough. Climbing actually is
quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is characteristic of a spring: you get this compression
and expansion effect which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever walking up a hill, but I'm
sure there's a first.

</pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio
Mazzoleni" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href=""][email hidden]"><[email hidden]></a> from Shaw Residential Internet wrote:

</pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike! </pre>
</blockquote> <pre wrap="">Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I
think they don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.

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By the way, I am 6'4" and weigh 200 lbs. I assure you I do NOT walk up hills.

David G. White said:

I currently own three bikes: a '74 Jack Taylor Reynolds 531 steel, an early 90's Masi Nuova Strada
Reynolds 653 steel and a late 90's Simonetti Easton aluminum. I do sprint rides and time trials on
the Simonetti, but greatly prefer either steel bike for all other riding, including climbs. I live
in Vermont and do a LOT of climbing. I always choose steel when I'm riding over mountain gaps...
reminds me of a great ride a couple weeks ago when a buddy and I did a double gap ride over
Middlebury and Brandon gaps... wonderful! I used my '74 Jack Taylor.

David G. White Burlington, VT

Bill Graham said:

Silliness.

I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough. Climbing actually is
quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is characteristic of a spring: you get this compression
and expansion effect which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever walking up a hill, but I'm
sure there's a first.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> from Shaw Residential
Internet wrote:

>Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!
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Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think they don't try
climbing though. They walk up the hills.

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text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> By the way, I am 6'4" and weigh 200 lbs. I assure you I do
NOT walk up hills.<br> <br> David G. White wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email hidden]"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html;"> <title></title> I currently own three bikes: a '74 Jack Taylor Reynolds
531 steel, an early 90's Masi Nuova Strada Reynolds 653 steel and a late 90's Simonetti Easton
aluminum. I do sprint rides and time trials on the Simonetti, but greatly prefer either steel
bike for all other riding, including climbs. I live in Vermont and do a LOT of climbing.
I always choose steel when I'm riding over mountain gaps... reminds me of a great ride a couple
weeks ago when a buddy and I did a double gap ride over Middlebury and Brandon gaps...
wonderful! I used my '74 Jack Taylor.<br> <br> David G. White<br> Burlington, VT<br> <br> Bill
Graham wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" cite="[email hidden]"> <pre
wrap="">Silliness.

I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough. Climbing actually is
quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is characteristic of a spring: you get this compression
and expansion effect which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever walking up a hill, but I'm
sure there's a first.

</pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio
Mazzoleni" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href=""][email hidden]"><[email hidden]></a> from Shaw Residential Internet wrote:

</pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike! </pre>
</blockquote> <pre wrap="">Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I
think they don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.

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on 03.07.25 21:51, Kevan Smith asserted:

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Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!

Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think they don't try
climbing though. They walk up the hills.

Indeed. Even at 140lbs, I usually pull over before any hill, wait for my support vehicle (because
you never know when you'll get a flat while going for groceries and I can't waste minutes in my
commute changing a tire) and swap my derailleur-equipped steel bike for my aluminum track bike.
Without the aluminum bike, I'd be hoofing it in the SPD-SLs for sure.

Seng