TdF: Tour de Ducks (spoiler)

elyob said:

It's lethal out there ...

what tyres are you using?
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gb

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It's lethal out there ...

But Millar takes it!!!!!! :-)

Pete

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elyob said:

It's lethal out there ...

what tyres are you using?
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I'm not sure I'm going to be putting vinegar all over my tyres (as the commentators reckoned the
tour cyclists do) 😉

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It's lethal out there ...

But Millar takes it!!!!!! :-)

Yup fantastic news. I thought Ullrich was going to skid on his bum all the way to the
finish line ....

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It's lethal out there ...

But Millar takes it!!!!!! :-)

Hmm ... it's pretty ****ing cool ... straight from the horse's mouth.

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It's lethal out there ...

But Millar takes it!!!!!! :-)

I really must learn to not log in here before 7.00pm and ITV2 :-)

So tell me people, you knowledgeable ones of the 'racing boys', how good is David Millar? Damn sight
quicker than me that's for sure, and obviously good enough to win today's heat (which would make him
pretty damn hot), but is he good enough to take the crown outright some day? How does he rank with
the very best of them?

gb

Garry Broad said:

is he good enough to take the crown outright some day? How does he rank with the very best of them?

I don't think he'll win the Tour - next year my money is on Hamilton or Vinokourov - but I can see
him as a regular on the podium in the near future. But I know bugger all about cycle racing, I just
watch it on the telly ;-)

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I really must learn to not log in here before 7.00pm and ITV2 :-)

That's why it says Spoiler in the title -- as agreed for the benefit of those poor souls who cannot
handle knowing the result before watching the stage.

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So tell me people, you knowledgeable ones of the 'racing boys', how good is David Millar? Damn
sight quicker than me that's for sure, and obviously good enough to win today's heat (which would
make him pretty damn hot), but is he good enough to take the crown outright some day? How does he
rank with the very best of them?

The consensus seems to be that he has most of the physical attributes but is not dedicated enough to
put in the work day in, day out.

Maybe that will come. Armstrong was a bit of an enfant terrible until his illness. Was it the
illness or maturity that made the difference?

Millar could wake up one morning and realise he has the necessary kit of parts to do it and knuckle
down to the grunt work to make it reality.

T

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Garry Broad said:

is he good enough to take the crown outright some day? How does he rank with the very best
of them?

I don't think he'll win the Tour - next year my money is on Hamilton or Vinokourov - but I can see
him as a regular on the podium in the near future. But I know bugger all about cycle racing, I
just watch it on the telly ;-)

no next year Cadel Evans

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I really must learn to not log in here before 7.00pm and ITV2 :-)

That's why it says Spoiler in the title -- as agreed for the benefit of those poor souls who
cannot handle knowing the result before watching the stage.

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So tell me people, you knowledgeable ones of the 'racing boys', how good is David Millar? Damn
sight quicker than me that's for sure, and obviously good enough to win today's heat (which
would make him pretty damn hot), but is he good enough to take the crown outright some day? How
does he rank with the very best of them?

The consensus seems to be that he has most of the physical attributes but

is

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not dedicated enough to put in the work day in, day out.

Maybe that will come. Armstrong was a bit of an enfant terrible until his illness. Was it the
illness or maturity that made the difference?

Millar could wake up one morning and realise he has the necessary kit of parts to do it and
knuckle down to the grunt work to make it reality.

He's a jockey, not a rider IMHO. Fantastically quick, will never win 'the race'. I'm more interested
in Nicole Cooke in cycling.

Tony W said:

Maybe that will come. Armstrong was a bit of an enfant terrible until his illness. Was it the
illness or maturity that made the difference?

Illness - he lost his excess bodyfat and managed to not get it back when recovering.

Kind regards

Bruno

Garry Broad said:

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I really must learn to not log in here before 7.00pm and ITV2 :-)

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That's why it says Spoiler in the title -- as agreed for the benefit of those poor souls who
cannot handle knowing the result before watching the stage.

*But* the title says nothing about it referring to a specific stage. After reading the first post I
(like Garry, presumably) had concluded that, despite the header, it had nothing to do with the race.
For the heading "Tour de Ducks" to tell us that it was about the TdF TT would require the reader to
know something about the weather conditions during the stage, which is unlikely before having seen
the stage.

Anyway, I've decided not to read urc during the TdF next year. I've just had too many stages spoiled
this year by people not making clear in their headers that they're about to do it.

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Danny Colyer said:

*But* the title says nothing about it referring to a specific stage. After reading the first post
I (like Garry, presumably) had concluded that, despite the header, it had nothing to do with the
race. For the heading "Tour de Ducks" to tell us that it was about the TdF TT would require the
reader to know something about the weather conditions during the stage, which is unlikely before
having seen the stage.

Anyway, I've decided not to read urc during the TdF next year. I've just had too many stages
spoiled this year by people not making clear in their headers that they're about to do it.

Seems a bit bizarre to complain that the 'spoiler' header was not adequate warning - perhaps you
would rather it said 'spoiler, this post mentions that millar won the TT'?

James

James Annan said:

Seems a bit bizarre to complain that the 'spoiler' header was not adequate warning - perhaps you
would rather it said 'spoiler, this post mentions that millar won the TT'?

I would rather it mentioned which stage it contained a spoiler for. The main part of the header
(Tour de Ducks) suggests that it might actually be something completely unrelated (unless you happen
to know what the weather was like in France yesterday).

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James Annan said:

Seems a bit bizarre to complain that the 'spoiler' header was not adequate warning - perhaps you
would rather it said 'spoiler, this post mentions that millar won the TT'?

I would rather it mentioned which stage it contained a spoiler for. The main part of the header
(Tour de Ducks) suggests that it might actually be something completely unrelated (unless you
happen to know what the weather was like in France yesterday).

My original message mentioned the weather conditions, which you can get anywhere. It says nothing
about who won, who raced, who fell off.... I don't think that knowing it was raining on the tour de
france was an issue. BTW, it's dry in Paris today.

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Garry Broad said:

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I really must learn to not log in here before 7.00pm and ITV2 :-)

prompting Tony W to reply:

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That's why it says Spoiler in the title -- as agreed for the benefit of those poor souls who
cannot handle knowing the result before watching the stage.

*But* the title says nothing about it referring to a specific stage. After reading the first post
I (like Garry, presumably) had concluded that, despite the header, it had nothing to do with the
race. For the heading "Tour de Ducks" to tell us that it was about the TdF TT would require the
reader to know something about the weather conditions during the stage, which is unlikely before
having seen the stage.

It had "TdF: Tour de Ducks (spoiler)" as the title. Which bit didn't hint that it was about the tour
de france? I certainly thought TdF was a *huge* hint. Spoiler in the title is hinting that there is
a spolier in the thread, even though I didn't put one in. Knowing the weather was wet would have
made me race home in *huge* anticipation. Continuing to read the thread marked "spoiler" is pretty
stupid if you didn't want to know the result. I cannot help you with that problem.

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Anyway, I've decided not to read urc during the TdF next year. I've just had too many stages
spoiled this year by people not making clear in their headers that they're about to do it.

How about having a practice today ... ? Don't want to spoil the result for you .. ooh, who'll win le
tour? I've had friends and family do spoilers, it's not just here you'll get them. I'd suggest
hiding in a large box until the ITV2 coverage starts.

elyob said:

It had "TdF: Tour de Ducks (spoiler)" as the title. Which bit didn't hint that it was about the
tour de france? I certainly thought TdF was a *huge* hint. Spoiler in the title is hinting that
there is a spolier in the thread, even though I didn't put one in.

I know. I'm not blaming you. I don't really understand why you put spoiler in the header, given that
you didn't post a spoiler.

But you might notice that by the time Peter B posted the first actual spoiler, 'TdF' had been
removed from the header. Someone who had downloaded that post before yours would have had no way of
knowing that the thread related to the TdF.

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Continuing to read the thread marked "spoiler" is pretty stupid if you didn't want to know the
result. I cannot help you with that problem.

The body of your post actually contained no hint that it referred to the TdF. To quote the entire
post: "It's lethal out there ..."

That sounds like someone who's just come in from a ride commenting on road conditions, with a
tantalising hint that there might be an interesting "w*nker in a car" story about to follow. Having
read that post, and concluded that despite the header it actually had nothing to do with the TdF,
why would I not continue?

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How about having a practice today ... ? Don't want to spoil the result for you .. ooh, who'll win
le tour? I've had friends and family do spoilers, it's not just here you'll get them. I'd suggest
hiding in a large box until the ITV2 coverage starts.

A lot of spoilers have come just from glancing at the BBC news website, which has tended to have
headlines along the lines of "Armstrong keeps yellow" or "Tyler takes it" on the front page :-(

The only relevance of the ITV2 coverage is that most spoilers have come from ITV2 viewers who forget
that a lot of people neither have nor want more than the 5 terrestrial analogue channels.

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Danny Colyer said:

I would rather it mentioned which stage it contained a spoiler for. The main part of the header
(Tour de Ducks) suggests that it might actually be something completely unrelated (unless you
happen to know what the weather was like in France yesterday).

Well I guess you could complain the original message _didn't_ contain a spoiler that you were
obviously hoping to see (since you read the thread), or that the reference to the weather in the
subject line had ruined your fun. But I don't really think you can reasonably complain that thread
with 'TdF' and 'spoiler' in the subject line contains...a 'spoiler' about the 'TdF'.

BTW Lance won today! oops...it just slipped out...sorry!

James

James Annan said:

But I don't really think you can reasonably complain that thread with 'TdF' and 'spoiler' in the
subject line contains...a 'spoiler' about the 'TdF'.

Funnily enough, there was no spoiler in this thread that had 'TdF' in the subject line.

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