Kelley cancer therapy testimonials

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Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about a half
of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for cancer.
Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of money
for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast lumps
and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their own
accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would not
know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured yet
another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy and
radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It contains
a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly causes
herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have been
explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Kelley cancer therapy testimonials
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/10/2004 12:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html

Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about a half
of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for cancer.
Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of money
for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast lumps
and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their own
accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would not
know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured yet
another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy and
radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It contains
a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly causes
herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have been
explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

*It is the nature of the Medical Establishment to say, "These Cancer cases did
not have Cancer and that is why they are still alive and cancer free." However
many of these patients were diagnosed by biopsy at the most prestigious
institutions in the United States and Canada. Furthermore, in 1985, the actual
Biopsy Slides were reviewed and confirmed by the renowned Pathologist Dr.
Robert A. Good, Ph.D., former President of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer
Center of New York City.

The Medical Establishment often accuses their enemy of doing exactly what they
themselves do: Lie, deceive, and cover up. The media then screams it so loud
and long that many of the gullible finally believe it to be true without any
proof whatsoever. However, in the case of my patients, the Establishment cannot
do this. This frustrates them to no end, and they have devised many ways to
destroy and discredit the Cancer Heroes. Nowhere in the Orthodox or Alternative
Medical Communities are so many Cancer Heroes truly documented with such long
Cancer-free life spans.*

Thanks for proving this true, Peter.

Jan

Just curious...where is the PROOF that Dr. Good ever reviewed &
confirned these slides? Is this a known fact? Or shall we rely on
hear-say? Surely if this declarative statement is made, there must be
some written material acknowledging this deed. Why was it left out of
this on-line article if it exists? Little too late to ask the man
himself personally as he apparently retired fom Sloan-Kettering in 1985
& moved to Florida immediately thereafter & died in 2002 or 3.

Forgot to add, though only anecdotal, that Dr. Good died of cancer
(esophagal), per his family. I guess even he, as former head of
Sloan-Kettering & with all his contacts, didn't have the combination to
the safe where the drug cartel keeps their secret "cancer cure".

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Forgot to add, though only anecdotal, that Dr. Good died of cancer
(esophagal), per his family. I guess even he, as former head of
Sloan-Kettering & with all his contacts, didn't have the combination to
the safe where the drug cartel keeps their secret "cancer cure".

He sacrificed himself for the cause and the conspiracy. To this day,
members of the Illuminati do not say "Fine, thanks" when someone asks
"How do you do?". We^H^HThey always say "Good".

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Subject: Re: Kelley cancer therapy testimonials
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/10/2004 12:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html

Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about a

half

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of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for cancer.
Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of money
for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast

lumps

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and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their own
accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would not
know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured yet
another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy and
radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It

contains

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a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly

causes

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herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have been
explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

*It is the nature of the Medical Establishment to say, "These Cancer cases

did

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not have Cancer and that is why they are still alive and cancer free."

However

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many of these patients were diagnosed by biopsy at the most prestigious
institutions in the United States and Canada. Furthermore, in 1985, the

actual

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Biopsy Slides were reviewed and confirmed by the renowned Pathologist Dr.
Robert A. Good, Ph.D., former President of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering

Cancer

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Center of New York City.

The Medical Establishment often accuses their enemy of doing exactly what

they

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themselves do: Lie, deceive, and cover up. The media then screams it so

loud

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and long that many of the gullible finally believe it to be true without

any

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proof whatsoever. However, in the case of my patients, the Establishment

cannot

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do this. This frustrates them to no end, and they have devised many ways

to

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destroy and discredit the Cancer Heroes. Nowhere in the Orthodox or

Alternative

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Medical Communities are so many Cancer Heroes truly documented with such

long

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Cancer-free life spans.*

Thanks for proving this true, Peter.

Jan

When even a percentage of the testimonials are worthless, it raises doubts
about the rest. For example, since cancer patients typically use many
different alternative treatments at once, how can we be sure that it was
Kelley's treatment that worked, in self-promotional testimonials like these?

Quacks like Kelley, who have treated hundreds and hundreds of patients and
promote their treatment with tales of such as these supposed breast cancers
diappearing, should be able to procude dozens of well-documented case
histories of proven cancer disappearing with their treatment. Why is it
that they cannot do so for the NCCAM?

As I have often pointed out before, and am trying to once again, the issues
are far too important to be dependent upon vague and inconclusive data.
Reading what Kelley himself says about his own "cancer experience" makes one
very doubtful of his personal reliability.

Peter Moran

Peter Moran

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Date: 2/10/2004 11:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Kelley cancer therapy testimonials
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/10/2004 12:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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> http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html

Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about a

half

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of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for cancer.
Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of money
for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast

lumps

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and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their own
accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would not
know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured yet
another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy and
radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It

contains

Quoted message said:

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a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly

causes

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herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have been
explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

*It is the nature of the Medical Establishment to say, "These Cancer cases

did

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not have Cancer and that is why they are still alive and cancer free."

However

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many of these patients were diagnosed by biopsy at the most prestigious
institutions in the United States and Canada. Furthermore, in 1985, the

actual

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Biopsy Slides were reviewed and confirmed by the renowned Pathologist Dr.
Robert A. Good, Ph.D., former President of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering

Cancer

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Center of New York City.

The Medical Establishment often accuses their enemy of doing exactly what

they

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themselves do: Lie, deceive, and cover up. The media then screams it so

loud

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and long that many of the gullible finally believe it to be true without

any

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proof whatsoever. However, in the case of my patients, the Establishment

cannot

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do this. This frustrates them to no end, and they have devised many ways

to

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destroy and discredit the Cancer Heroes. Nowhere in the Orthodox or

Alternative

Quoted message said:

Medical Communities are so many Cancer Heroes truly documented with such

long

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Cancer-free life spans.*

Thanks for proving this true, Peter.

Jan

When even a percentage of the testimonials are worthless, it raises doubts

about the rest.

Worthless is an opinion.

It appears you believe all alternative is worthless.

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For example, since cancer patients typically use many
different alternative treatments at once, how can we be sure that it was
Kelley's treatment that worked, in self-promotional testimonials like these?

Peter, you are looking for excuses, and the above fits you to a T.

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Quacks like Kelley

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It is the nature of the Medical Establishment to say,

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These Cancer cases
did

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not have Cancer and that is why they are still alive and cancer free."

However

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many of these patients were diagnosed by biopsy at the most prestigious
institutions in the United States

and Canada. Furthermore, in 1985, the

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actual

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Biopsy Slides were reviewed and confirmed by the renowned Pathologist Dr.
Robert A. Good, Ph.D., former President of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering

Quoted message said:

The Medical Establishment often accuses their enemy of doing exactly what
they

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themselves do: Lie, deceive, and cover up. The media then screams it so

and long that many of the gullible finally believe it to be true without

Quoted message said:

any

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proof whatsoever. However, in the case of my patients, the Establishment

cannot

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do this. This frustrates them to no end, and they have devised many ways

to destroy and discredit the Cancer Heroes. Nowhere in the Orthodox or
Alternative

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Medical Communities are so many Cancer Heroes truly documented with such

long Cancer-free life spans.*

EXACTLY what you just did.

Jan

Have you obtained a reply from Hoffer yet?
Anth

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"john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html

Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about a

half

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of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for cancer.
Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of money
for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast lumps
and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their own
accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would not
know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured yet
another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy and
radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It

contains

Quoted message said:

a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly

causes

Quoted message said:

herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have been
explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

http://cancer.lef.org/pancreatic-3.html
Anth

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Peter
I personally have never tried Kellys methods, but my wifes grandmother did.
She went through the radiation treatments for breast cancer, but the Mets
were found to have spread into the upper torso. This was back in the early
1960s. She went on the Kelly plan and lived another 20 years. It does appear
Kelly throws a brick to kill a fly with all his concoctions and lifestyle
changes, but they did work in her case. I'm sure you know there are many
forms of cancer, and some respond well to modern methods, but those nasty
large cell cancers don't. I would like to see some some results from Kellys
treatment against these nasty forms of cancer. My father in law died 2 years
ago from squamus cell cancer that started in his jaw under a bad tooth. He
went with surgery/chemo and died 4 monthes later. My mother was diagnosed
with limphocarsinoma 24 years ago and given a 5% chance of success that
chemo would bring about a remission period. We went with the chemo, but also
used some of Kellys methods, and some organic gardening ideas. She has been
cancer free for the past 24 years, but has suffered the effects from chemo.
Congestive heart fallure, and is now in the last stages at age 76. The sad
thing is, because she is cancer free a oncologist a few years ago said she
must have been misdiagnosed. There was no misdiagnosis at the time, but it
seems the medical community turns a blind eye to there real successes if
they don't fall into a pattern they recognize. Yes I believe Kelly had
success with his methods, but I also believe that some cancers will be 100%
resistant to his methods. Personally I'll have my coffee in a cup insted his
method.

My brother was misdiagnosd with a rare form of Cancer about 5 years ago.
I'm not sure of all the details (I live in California & he lives in
Michigan), but he endured hospitalization, many tests there & even
underwent surgery, where the doctors miraculously couldn't find
anything. Turns out the out-of-state lab that did his original work-up
mixed his results up with another fellow's.

In the end a malpractice law firm in Flint, MI was consulted, & a
financial settlement was made by the lab to my brother. Also, his
insurance company got reimbursed for all the needless medical attention.

He's fine now.

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Forgot to add, though only anecdotal, that Dr. Good died of cancer
(esophagal), per his family. I guess even he, as former head of
Sloan-Kettering & with all his contacts, didn't have the combination to
the safe where the drug cartel keeps their secret "cancer cure".

Kathy, there is far greater honor in taking a hit for the team than in curing
one's cancer. Furthermore, by eschewing the cure, Dr Good inspire the present
and future generations of cancer-cure suppressors to live up to his selfless
example.

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Peter
I personally have never tried Kellys methods, but my wifes grandmother

did.

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She went through the radiation treatments for breast cancer, but the Mets
were found to have spread into the upper torso. This was back in the early
1960s. She went on the Kelly plan and lived another 20 years. It does

appear

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Kelly throws a brick to kill a fly with all his concoctions and lifestyle
changes, but they did work in her case. I'm sure you know there are many
forms of cancer, and some respond well to modern methods, but those nasty
large cell cancers don't. I would like to see some some results from

Kellys

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treatment against these nasty forms of cancer. My father in law died 2

years

Quoted message said:

ago from squamus cell cancer that started in his jaw under a bad tooth. He
went with surgery/chemo and died 4 monthes later. My mother was diagnosed
with limphocarsinoma 24 years ago and given a 5% chance of success that
chemo would bring about a remission period. We went with the chemo, but

also

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used some of Kellys methods, and some organic gardening ideas. She has

been

Quoted message said:

cancer free for the past 24 years, but has suffered the effects from

chemo.

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Congestive heart fallure, and is now in the last stages at age 76. The sad
thing is, because she is cancer free a oncologist a few years ago said she
must have been misdiagnosed. There was no misdiagnosis at the time, but it
seems the medical community turns a blind eye to there real successes if
they don't fall into a pattern they recognize. Yes I believe Kelly had
success with his methods, but I also believe that some cancers will be

100%

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resistant to his methods. Personally I'll have my coffee in a cup insted

his

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method.

Yes, this is the kind of teasing "information" that cancer sufferers are
confronted with. Suggestive, but without documentation, the ability to
review old films and pathology slides and old records to ensure that all
the facts are as you have been told, and that no other treatments applied
could explain the outcomes.

I also have to say that this is your version of what you have been told by
third parties, and patients and their families frequently do misinterpret or
misunderstand what doctors actually have stated, or the confidence with
which diagnoses are actually held. I have even had new patients tell me
they have had cancer and found this not to be true on chasing up their
records.

You will understand my point that a cancer sufferer trying to decide which
of about six dozen alternative methods might actually save their life
deserves somewhat more concrete data than this. They all have equivalent
support from testimonial like this.

Cancer quacks get away with murder from all ethical and scientific
standpoints simply becasue desperate people will try anything that might
work, and the standards that they have set have become accepted as the norm
without question or criticism within alternative medicine.

Peter Moran.

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Subject: Re: Kelley cancer therapy testimonials
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 2/11/2004 2:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Peter
I personally have never tried Kellys methods, but my wifes grandmother

did.

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She went through the radiation treatments for breast cancer, but the Mets
were found to have spread into the upper torso. This was back in the early
1960s. She went on the Kelly plan and lived another 20 years. It does

appear

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Kelly throws a brick to kill a fly with all his concoctions and lifestyle
changes, but they did work in her case. I'm sure you know there are many
forms of cancer, and some respond well to modern methods, but those nasty
large cell cancers don't. I would like to see some some results from

Kellys

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treatment against these nasty forms of cancer. My father in law died 2

years

Quoted message said:

ago from squamus cell cancer that started in his jaw under a bad tooth. He
went with surgery/chemo and died 4 monthes later. My mother was diagnosed
with limphocarsinoma 24 years ago and given a 5% chance of success that
chemo would bring about a remission period. We went with the chemo, but

also

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used some of Kellys methods, and some organic gardening ideas. She has

been

Quoted message said:

cancer free for the past 24 years, but has suffered the effects from

chemo.

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Congestive heart fallure, and is now in the last stages at age 76. The sad
thing is, because she is cancer free a oncologist a few years ago said she
must have been misdiagnosed. There was no misdiagnosis at the time, but it
seems the medical community turns a blind eye to there real successes if
they don't fall into a pattern they recognize. Yes I believe Kelly had
success with his methods, but I also believe that some cancers will be

100%

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resistant to his methods. Personally I'll have my coffee in a cup insted

his

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method.

Yes,

Say what?????

You don't mean you are actually going to believe an anecdote???????

Oh, my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

<snip rant about cancer quacks who murder>

From one brainwashed organized medicine member who can't see fraud or cover-ups
within conventional medicine.

Jan

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Have you obtained a reply from Hoffer yet?
Anth

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"john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html

Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about a

half

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of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for

cancer.

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Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of

money

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for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast

lumps

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their own
accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would not
know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured yet
another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy and
radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It

contains

Quoted message said:

a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly

causes

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herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have been
explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

I have. It reinforces my impressions, and does not answer the crucial
questions.

I will send it to you privately, if you like.

Peter Moran

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I wouldn't mind a copy thanks.
Anth

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Have you obtained a reply from Hoffer yet?
Anth

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> http://www.whale.to/cancer/k/Ch10.html

Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and about

a

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half

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of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of intense
interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for

cancer.

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Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of

money

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for their treatments.

It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast cancer
patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast

lumps

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and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their

own

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accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would

not

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know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured

yet

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another cancer.

Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy

and

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radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.

Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It

contains

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a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it commonly

causes

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herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have

been

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explained by the severe depression he had at the time.

Peter Moran

I have. It reinforces my impressions, and does not answer the crucial
questions.

I will send it to you privately, if you like.

Peter Moran

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I wouldn't mind a copy thanks.
Anth

You will have to give me your email address again

Peter Moran

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> Since cancer afflicts 25% or more of the earth's population and

about

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a

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half
> of these die from it with present treatment methods, it is of

intense

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> interest to all to know whether "alternative" treatments work for

cancer.

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> Not only that, but their promorters are often charging huge sums of

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> for their treatments.
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> It is no longer good enough to have them promoted with misleading
> testimonials like most of these. Neither of two primary breast

cancer

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> patients had biopsies, and when it is known how common benign breast

lumps

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> and cysts are, and how common it is for them to come and go of their

own

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> accord, such testimonials are useless. Of course a dentist would

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> know this, and would be quite happy to go on believing he has cured

yet

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> another cancer.
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> Other patients received conventional treatment such as chemotherapy

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> radiotherapy which could have explained benefits.
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> Kelley's own testimonial is an example of a general standard. It
contains
> a number of ridiculous statements about cancer (e.g. that it

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causes
> herniae), he also had no biopsies, and his symptoms could well have

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> explained by the severe depression he had at the time.
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> Peter Moran

I have. It reinforces my impressions, and does not answer the crucial
questions.

I will send it to you privately, if you like.

Peter Moran

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Peter
I failed to mention my wife's grandmother did die from cancer, but 20 years
latter. The conclusion I draw from this is not a cure issue, but a long
remission period with a extended quality of life period. If the Kelly camp
people claimed to extend the quality of life remission period rather than
extolling a cure I could except that.

The quality of life, and remission period are the real issues. If the Kelly
people would produce a larger number of cases of the same type of cancer
(biopsies cases) so that the rest of us could see a real extension in
survival time, even if it only showed a month or 2. That would give
tangible value to what they are selling. Maybe I'm asking to much.

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Peter
I personally have never tried Kellys methods, but my wifes grandmother

did.

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She went through the radiation treatments for breast cancer, but the

Mets

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were found to have spread into the upper torso. This was back in the

early

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1960s. She went on the Kelly plan and lived another 20 years. It does

appear

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Kelly throws a brick to kill a fly with all his concoctions and

lifestyle

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changes, but they did work in her case. I'm sure you know there are many
forms of cancer, and some respond well to modern methods, but those

nasty

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large cell cancers don't. I would like to see some some results from

Kellys

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treatment against these nasty forms of cancer. My father in law died 2

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ago from squamus cell cancer that started in his jaw under a bad tooth.

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went with surgery/chemo and died 4 monthes later. My mother was

diagnosed

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with limphocarsinoma 24 years ago and given a 5% chance of success that
chemo would bring about a remission period. We went with the chemo, but

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used some of Kellys methods, and some organic gardening ideas. She has

been

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cancer free for the past 24 years, but has suffered the effects from

chemo.

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Congestive heart fallure, and is now in the last stages at age 76. The

sad

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thing is, because she is cancer free a oncologist a few years ago said

she

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must have been misdiagnosed. There was no misdiagnosis at the time, but

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seems the medical community turns a blind eye to there real successes if
they don't fall into a pattern they recognize. Yes I believe Kelly had
success with his methods, but I also believe that some cancers will be

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resistant to his methods. Personally I'll have my coffee in a cup insted

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method.

Yes, this is the kind of teasing "information" that cancer sufferers are
confronted with. Suggestive, but without documentation, the ability to
review old films and pathology slides and old records to ensure that all
the facts are as you have been told, and that no other treatments applied
could explain the outcomes.

I also have to say that this is your version of what you have been told

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third parties, and patients and their families frequently do misinterpret

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misunderstand what doctors actually have stated, or the confidence with
which diagnoses are actually held. I have even had new patients tell me
they have had cancer and found this not to be true on chasing up their
records.

You will understand my point that a cancer sufferer trying to decide which
of about six dozen alternative methods might actually save their life
deserves somewhat more concrete data than this. They all have equivalent
support from testimonial like this.

Cancer quacks get away with murder from all ethical and scientific
standpoints simply becasue desperate people will try anything that might
work, and the standards that they have set have become accepted as the

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without question or criticism within alternative medicine.

Peter Moran.

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