Trolls and arguments

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (DRCEEPHD) wrote:

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I am a scientist.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Sorry, but that was so funny that I couldn't take any of the rest of
what you said in the least bit seriously.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gymmy Bob said:

Nicely Said Bew!

Notice the pattern of one of the chief trolls here? Question each and every
statement no matter how many times it has been proven

Of course, "Gymmy Bob's" definition of it's having "been proven" means
that some altie website claimed it was so, which to him means it must
actually be so.

Quoted message said:

or how much common
sense their is to it.

"Common sense" meaning that it makes sense to alties. Whether it makes
sense when weighted against what is presently known scientifically,
Gymmy cares not one whit about.

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These people thrive on just questioning physics and
sooner or later somebody cannot prove the laws of nature.

Some alties thrive on ignoring the laws of nature and physics if it
helps them come up with an explanation that "makes sense" (to them only,
of course) for their favorite "cure."

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Prove 2 + 2 = 4

Nobody can. It is based on our set out mathematical laws and other than that
has no meaning.

Funny, but mathematicians would beg to differ with you on this one.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

DRCEEPHD said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

Quoted message said:

If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that there
is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

Quoted message said:

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was
expecting when I discovered this newsgroup. I had expected an
environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
scientists or skeptics around to question them.

Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not
question in fairness. Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and otherwise
cause mayhem such that the medical monopoly continues unabated with its goals
of extracting as much money and power as it can from the supplicants called
patients.

Actual explanation: Chuck is some chalupa-snorting bookstore employee
who tries to convince us he's something more.

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I am a scientist.

Ho ho ho.

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I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion of
alternative procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the Passion.

That's what I like about Chuck -- his forgiving, Christian nature.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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By the way on a related note, I have learned a new word this week:
cyperchondria . On www.google.com it brought up 5990 hits.

===============
(Opps....typo) Cyberchondria
http://www.imakenews.com/health-itworld/e_article000152340.cfm
Interesting article.

....

It does look interesting. Though in my experience, my relative always
seemed to be suffering from a different ailment at each holiday gathering.
It was always something she read about on the internet.

Oh, sorry about the typo... perhaps I am coming down with some keyboard
dis-association ailment.

"Coleah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

By the way on a related note, I have learned a new word this week:
cyperchondria . On www.google.com it brought up 5990 hits.

===============
(Opps....typo) Cyberchondria

....

forgot to say: I am very glad that www.google.com has a spell checker!

[email hidden] (DRCEEPHD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

Quoted message said:

If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that there
is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

Quoted message said:

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was
expecting when I discovered this newsgroup. I had expected an
environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
scientists or skeptics around to question them.

Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not
question in fairness. Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and otherwise
cause mayhem such that the medical monopoly continues unabated with its goals
of extracting as much money and power as it can from the supplicants called
patients.

So questions that show you to be clueless about medicine (or basic
biology & A&P) upset you? That's a durn shame......

Quoted message said:

I am a scientist.

LOLOLOLOL -- good one! The scientific expertise you've demonstrated
in this NG could be summed up in one word -- none.

Quoted message said:

I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

As if such a thing existed....

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I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

Your expertise only qualifies you to encourage others to consult
people who actually know what they're talking about.

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Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion of
alternative procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the Passion.

Rational discussion isn't mindless head nodding in agreement with
anything labeled "alternative". And your hyperbole WRT the idea of
crucifixion for those who don't blindly embrace every physiologically
improbable theory that floats around MHA makes your statements that
you are a scientist even more obviously untrue.

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gymmy Bob said:

Nicely Said Bew!

Notice the pattern of one of the chief trolls here? Question each and every
statement no matter how many times it has been proven

Of course, "Gymmy Bob's" definition of it's having "been proven" means
that some altie website claimed it was so, which to him means it must
actually be so.

Quoted message said:

or how much common
sense their is to it.

"Common sense" meaning that it makes sense to alties. Whether it makes
sense when weighted against what is presently known scientifically,
Gymmy cares not one whit about.

Quoted message said:

These people thrive on just questioning physics and
sooner or later somebody cannot prove the laws of nature.

Some alties thrive on ignoring the laws of nature and physics if it
helps them come up with an explanation that "makes sense" (to them only,
of course) for their favorite "cure."

Quoted message said:

Prove 2 + 2 = 4

Nobody can. It is based on our set out mathematical laws and other than

that

Quoted message said:

has no meaning.

Funny, but mathematicians would beg to differ with you on this one.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|

Given the virtually unlimited number of unprovable, plausible examples, it
would take a total dumb-ass to choose one of the few examples of something that
can be PROVED.

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From: [email hidden] (DRCEEPHD)

Quoted message said:

I am a scientist.

Sure, and Rosenau is a Nobel Laureate, H*lda has the Cure for All Diseases, &
Jan Drew is an Astronaut.

With all due sincerity, Charles, you MUST learn to think outside the Chalupa.