does it matter how a caloric deficit happens?

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:25:25 -0400, TheGist <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

This is something that just occurred to me. Does it make a difference if
a caloric deficit is created by cutting food intake or through
excercise? If I am not mistaken the pathways by which fuel is obtained
and used differs based on the body's needs, right? So, if you are in a
caloric deficit just by eating less and sitting around aren't you more
apt to lose fat than if you wroked out which might cause you to burn
more protein?

No. Your body compensates by slowing down your metabolism.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
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but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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Quoted message said:

This is something that just occurred to me. Does it make a difference if a
caloric deficit is created by cutting food intake or through excercise? If
I am not mistaken the pathways by which fuel is obtained and used differs
based on the body's needs, right? So, if you are in a caloric deficit just
by eating less and sitting around aren't you more
apt to lose fat than if you wroked out which might cause you to burn more
protein?

Actually the other way around. If you simply do calorie deficit, the body
drops muscle (protein) and holds strong to fat (future energy source to
preserve life)--this is relative to the otherway around. If however, you
are exercising, the body holds on to muscule since you need it--use it or
lose it.
That is extremly simplified, and of course there are outliers, mutants, and
all of this is a distribution (like so damn near everything in bilogical
system).
Eat, lift, sleep. Repeat until you hear, "Time of death was..."

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Quoted message said:

This is something that just occurred to me. Does it make a difference if a
caloric deficit is created by cutting food intake or through excercise? If
I am not mistaken the pathways by which fuel is obtained and used differs
based on the body's needs, right? So, if you are in a caloric deficit just
by eating less and sitting around aren't you more
apt to lose fat than if you wroked out which might cause you to burn more
protein?

along with other things to consider, in Medicine and Science in Sports and
Exercise, Japanese researchers have shown that dieting leads to a greater
reduction in visceral fat [1]. Exercise, on the other hand, has a greater
impact on subcutaneous fat.

so instead of wasting time hour upon hour with "cardio", (different
discussion), seems like the magic lies in moderate caloric restriction,
brief, frequent, intense resistance exercise, high intensity interval
training, and persistance.

Jay said:

along with other things to consider, in Medicine and Science in Sports and
Exercise, Japanese researchers have shown that dieting leads to a greater
reduction in visceral fat [1]. Exercise, on the other hand, has a greater
impact on subcutaneous fat.

Don't you have this backwards?

Dally

Jay said:

seems like the magic lies in moderate caloric restriction,
brief, frequent, intense resistance exercise, high intensity interval
training, and persistance.

Not true. LSD runs are the best for loosing weight.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

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Jay said:

along with other things to consider, in Medicine and Science in Sports
and Exercise, Japanese researchers have shown that dieting leads to a
greater reduction in visceral fat [1]. Exercise, on the other hand, has a
greater impact on subcutaneous fat.

Don't you have this backwards?

Dally

Copied and pasted from a study quoted on the facts about fitness from the
study mentioned above.

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Jay said:

seems like the magic lies in moderate caloric restriction,
brief, frequent, intense resistance exercise, high intensity interval
training, and persistance.

Not true. LSD runs are the best for loosing weight.

TBR

I beg to differ. I am unclear what loosing weight is??(just a forum
frequent spelling F up. It is losing weight)

Google tabata protocol. First name Izuma. or look at this.
http://www.cbass.com/FATBURN.HTM

unless the desired result is NOT dramatic VO2 increase, as Clarance Bass
said,
"The next time someone pipes up about the fat-burn zone, ask them if they
are familiar with the Tabata and Tremblay research reports."

In short from the article, I suggest reading it all "
As you might expect, the total energy cost of the ET program was
substantially greater than the HIIT program. The researchers calculated that
the ET group burned more than twice as many calories while exercising than
the HIIT program. But (surprise, surprise) skinfold measurements showed that
the HIIT group lost more subcutaneous fat. "Moreover," reported the
researchers, "when the difference in the total energy cost of the program
was taken into account..., the subcutaneous fat loss was ninefold greater in
the HIIT program than in the ET program." In short, the HIIT group got 9
times more fat-loss benefit for every calorie burned exercising. "

unless you want to just burn more calories and those that are burned are not
mostly fat, spend the time and run for a silly, long, wasteful time.

Jay said:

I beg to differ.>

You can beg all you want, you'll still be wrong.

Quoted message said:

I am unclear what loosing weight is??(just a forum
frequent spelling F up. It is losing weight)

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Google tabata protocol. First name Izuma. or look at this.
http://www.cbass.com/FATBURN.HTM

unless the desired result is NOT dramatic VO2 increase, as Clarance Bass
said,
"The next time someone pipes up about the fat-burn zone, ask them if they
are familiar with the Tabata and Tremblay research reports."

Big deal, there are HUNDREDS of studys contradicting those TWO studys,
so who will you bet on?

Quoted message said:

In short from the article, I suggest reading it all "
As you might expect, the total energy cost of the ET program was
substantially greater than the HIIT program. The researchers calculated that
the ET group burned more than twice as many calories while exercising than
the HIIT program.>

Then they were wrong. You burn X amount of calories per mile, the
difference is, that when you do LSD runs, your body will burn more
calories in a 24 hour period than a non-runner, or a runner who did
that same distance very fast. After fast, hard runs your body shuts
down to recover, then returns to normal. After LSD runs it doesn't
shut diown, and burns cals at a steady pace over the next 24 hours.

Quoted message said:

But (surprise, surprise) skinfold measurements showed that
the HIIT group lost more subcutaneous fat. "Moreover," reported the
researchers, "when the difference in the total energy cost of the program
was taken into account..., the subcutaneous fat loss was ninefold greater in
the HIIT program than in the ET program." In short, the HIIT group got 9
times more fat-loss benefit for every calorie burned exercising. "

unless you want to just burn more calories and those that are burned are not
mostly fat, spend the time and run for a silly, long, wasteful time.

Those are the stupidest studys I've ever heard, and are contradicted
by hundreds of others.
I will now talk about MY experience. I am a 185lb man in a body that
wants to be 350 lbs. I struggled with weight loss techniques for
years, and nothing helped. I tried the "run fast" techniques, and the
LSD techniques, and only the LSD technique worked.
Case closed.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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Quoted message said:

Jay said:

I beg to differ.>

You can beg all you want, you'll still be wrong.

Quoted message said:

I am unclear what loosing weight is??(just a forum
frequent spelling F up. It is losing weight)

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Google tabata protocol. First name Izuma. or look at this.
http://www.cbass.com/FATBURN.HTM

unless the desired result is NOT dramatic VO2 increase, as Clarance Bass
said,
"The next time someone pipes up about the fat-burn zone, ask them if they
are familiar with the Tabata and Tremblay research reports."

Big deal, there are HUNDREDS of studys contradicting those TWO studys,
so who will you bet on?

Show me one. Find me one if you don't mind. Google is a search engine by
the weigh.
I will give you this. Did you see the article on CNN that indicated the
irreproducibility of scientific studies?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In short from the article, I suggest reading it all "
As you might expect, the total energy cost of the ET program was
substantially greater than the HIIT program. The researchers calculated
that
the ET group burned more than twice as many calories while exercising than
the HIIT program.>

Then they were wrong. You burn X amount of calories per mile, the
difference is, that when you do LSD runs, your body will burn more
calories in a 24 hour period than a non-runner, or a runner who did
that same distance very fast. After fast, hard runs your body shuts
down to recover, then returns to normal. After LSD runs it doesn't
shut diown, and burns cals at a steady pace over the next 24 hours.

Quoted message said:

But (surprise, surprise) skinfold measurements showed that
the HIIT group lost more subcutaneous fat. "Moreover," reported the
researchers, "when the difference in the total energy cost of the program
was taken into account..., the subcutaneous fat loss was ninefold greater
in
the HIIT program than in the ET program." In short, the HIIT group got 9
times more fat-loss benefit for every calorie burned exercising. "

unless you want to just burn more calories and those that are burned are
not
mostly fat, spend the time and run for a silly, long, wasteful time.

Those are the stupidest studys I've ever heard, and are contradicted
by hundreds of others.
I will now talk about MY experience. I am a 185lb man in a body that
wants to be 350 lbs. I struggled with weight loss techniques for
years, and nothing helped. I tried the "run fast" techniques, and the
LSD techniques, and only the LSD technique worked.
Case closed.

1 case. prooof enough. The original poster didn't indicate whether he was
a lard ass or not as your body yearns to be. Stupidest studies you ever
heard? You have text to voice?

Quoted message said:

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and
the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Jay said:

Did you see the article on CNN that indicated the irreproducibility
of scientific studies?

My studies always reproduce!

But what I found on CNN is that

"Much of the frustration over health headlines may not be the
information's fault. It can be due to the fact that folks do not
always fully understand the nuances of the scientific process and to
the fact that medical reporters do not always fully explain the study
results."

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/2000/03/rowland.studies.mar16/

Jay said:

Show me one. Find me one if you don't mind. Google is a search engine by
the weigh.
I will give you this. Did you see the article on CNN that indicated the
irreproducibility of scientific studies?

I don't know if they are online or not, but I've read at least a
hundred in the last 20 years saying exactly that.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Jay said:

1 case. prooof enough. The original poster didn't indicate whether he was
a lard ass or not as your body yearns to be.>

Exactly! He probably used trained athletes whose bodys respond MUCH
differently than the average person. My story is not unique. I trained
a 350 girl down to 110 lbs, so it works.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

The Bill Rodgers said:

Jay said:

1 case. prooof enough. The original poster didn't indicate whether he was
a lard ass or not as your body yearns to be.>

Exactly! He probably used trained athletes whose bodys respond MUCH
differently than the average person. My story is not unique. I trained
a 350 girl down to 110 lbs, so it works.

When she said she got rid of 240 pounds of unsightly fat because of you,
she actually meant what happened when you two broke up.

HTH

Dally

Dally said:

When she said she got rid of 240 pounds of unsightly fat because of you,
she actually meant what happened when you two broke up.

That's clever for a dyke.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

The Bill Rodgers said:

Dally said:

When she said she got rid of 240 pounds of unsightly fat because of you,
she actually meant what happened when you two broke up.

That's clever for a dyke.

You turned her into a dyke, too?

Dally

The Bill Rodgers said:

Jay said:

seems like the magic lies in moderate caloric restriction,
brief, frequent, intense resistance exercise, high intensity interval
training, and persistance.

Not true. LSD runs are the best for loosing weight.

TBR

Does it really work best for "loosing" weight? I didn't know it was
tight...
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-Larry

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ourselves." Hugh Beyer