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  1. "Wednesday 3rd August, 2005

    $448,000 BUDGET BOOST FOR CYCLISTS IN MAROONDAH

    State Labor Member for Kilsyth, Dympna Beard today announced the Bracks
    Government was delivering on its commitment to enhance and extend
    Victoria’s bicycle network, with $448,000 in funding for cyclists in
    Maroondah.

    The funding will create approximately 3.9km of exclusive bicycle lanes on
    Mt Dandenong Road, from Maroondah Highway to Wicklow Avenue.

    Mt Dandenong Road is on the Melbourne Principal Bicycle Network and
    provides the direct connection between Ringwood and the Mullum Mullum Creek
    off-road bike path. Exclusive bicycle lanes will be created in both
    directions as well as an exclusive parking lane in some sections.
    “This will create safer travel for cyclists and maintain two traffic lanes
    at all times, the project will include line marking, signage and some kerb
    and channel work and is due to commence late this year,” Ms Beard said.

    The Bracks Government has allocated more than $3.84 million on bicycle
    projects in Victoria in the 2005-06 State Budget, creating 52 kilometres of
    new bicycle paths and lanes for Victorians.

    In Metropolitan Melbourne, $2 million will be spent delivering 9 kilometres
    of bicycle facilities to encourage cycling as an environmentally friendly,
    healthy transport alternative."

    AND

    5 August 2005

    BUDGET BOOST FOR BOROONDARA CYCLISTS

    media release
    BOB STENSHOLT MP, STATE MEMBER FOR BURWOOD

    The Bracks Government is delivering on its commitment to enhance and
    extend Victoria's bicycle network, with State Labor Member for
    Burwood, Bob Stensholt, today announcing $111,000 for four projects to
    improve safety for cyclists in Boroondara.

    The Bracks Government will spend more than $3.84 million on bicycle
    projects in Victoria in the 2005-06 State Budget, creating 52
    kilometres of new bicycle paths and lanes for Victorians.

    Projects in Boroondara include:

    • Canterbury Road, between Burke Road and Stanhope Grove – line
    marking to create exclusive on-road bicycle lanes in both directions,
    advisory bicycle symbols on the road surface, dedicated bicycle
    stopping areas at traffic signals and necessary road signage
    • Belmore Road, between Burke Road and Balwyn Road – install advisory
    bicycle lane symbols on the road surface and dedicated bicycle
    stopping refuges at traffic signals
    • Doncaster Road, between Kilby Road and Bulleen Road – line marking
    to create exclusive on-road bicycle lanes, install advisory bicycle
    lane symbols on the road surface and dedicated bicycle stopping
    refuges at traffic signals
    • Yarra Boulevard, 800m section south of Wiltshire Bouelvard – install
    advisory bicycle lane symbols on the road surface and better line
    marking to clearly separate the bicycle lanes from the roadway.
    Bob Stensholt said that introducing measures that separate cyclists
    from busy traffic streams was a key action in the Bracks Government's
    Metropolitan Transport Plan, and this latest funding boost was part of
    putting that plan in to action.

    "On-road bicycle lanes are located next to existing traffic lanes and
    are designated to separate cyclists from other types of traffic," Bob
    Stensholt said.

    "Designated bike lanes offer a safer and more enjoyable ride for
    cyclists, particularly commuters and for those shorter trips to the
    shops or other community facilities.

    "They also remind drivers of the need to look out for cyclists and
    share the road more cooperatively," Bob Stensholt said.

    In metropolitan Melbourne, $2 million will be spent delivering nine
    kilometres of bicycle facilities to encourage cycling as an
    environmentally friendly, healthy transport alternative.

    The Bracks Government's Metropolitan Transport Strategy aims to
    improve safety and access for cyclists, in order to encourage more
    people to get on their bikes."

  2. flyingdutch said:

    "Wednesday 3rd August, 2005
    $448,000 BUDGET BOOST FOR CYCLISTS IN MAROONDAH
    State Labor Member for Kilsyth, Dympna Beard today announced the Bracks
    Government was delivering on its commitment to enhance and extend
    Victoria’s bicycle network, with $448,000 in funding for cyclists in
    Maroondah.

    Another one from today, not so good: Freeway to leave a huge scar
    theage.com.au1125302570139.html

    ...buried down the end of the article....

    "....Bicycle Victoria also criticised the proposed routes, which, despite their proximity to Deakin University, do not include bicycle paths. "We are very strongly urging VicRoads that they need to do something about that," said general manager Harry Barber...."

    Pfff, reads like the classic Some-One-Should-Do-Some-Thing-About-That Scenerio. Policies? Strategies? Vehicular cycling? Let alone the bleeding obvious, script some decent copy before talking to the media. Sheessshhhh.

  3. flyingdutch said:

    "Wednesday 3rd August, 2005

    $448,000 BUDGET BOOST FOR CYCLISTS IN MAROONDAH

    when I read this, I think "Half a million bucks! That buys
    a lot of bikepath".

    But, it's just painting the road. Wow, that's expensive
    paint!

    Not that the lanes are a bad thing per se, but I guess I'm always
    amazed at how expensive it is to do very little these days.

    I know .. you have to pay a crew to spend a number of hours with
    an expensive piece of machinery, and stencils ... and a road
    engineer ... but it does seem a -lot- of money for painted lines.

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

  4. Bleve said:

    when I read this, I think "Half a million bucks! That buys
    a lot of bikepath".

    But, it's just painting the road. Wow, that's expensive
    paint!

    Not that the lanes are a bad thing per se, but I guess I'm always
    amazed at how expensive it is to do very little these days.

    I know .. you have to pay a crew to spend a number of hours with
    an expensive piece of machinery, and stencils ... and a road
    engineer ... but it does seem a -lot- of money for painted lines.

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of those!

    BoroondaraCouncil's recent budget includes 65k for each of its main offroad trails (works according to bikePathAudit). Im just hoping that 65k isnt just a maintenance thing.
    A set of traffic lights can cost 10k easy.
    A pram ramp 1k
    Chandler/Tooronga and some WKLs along Riversdale and another road were 220k altho the green lanes on Chandler would be a bit

  5. flyingdutch said:


    Quoted message said:

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    Wow .. I guess I'm showing my age, but I always thought of
    a million as a *serious* lot of money.

    I guess these days it only just gets you a house or something ...

  6. quote='Bleve'flyingdutch said:


    Quoted message said:

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    Wow .. I guess I'm showing my age, but I always thought of
    a million as a *serious* lot of money.

    I guess these days it only just gets you a house or something ...[/QUOTE]

    2,000 treks???

  7. Bleve said:

    Wow .. I guess I'm showing my age, but I always thought of
    a million as a *serious* lot of money.

    I guess these days it only just gets you a house or something ...

    Yep, 1/4 million is a "renovators delight" in outer sydney and close to
    1/2 million buys a new house in the mid to outer sydney, nothing
    pretentious mind you.

    If you want to retire and live off being a Slum lord, then you need
    about $3-5 Million worth of properties in the outer Sydney area. I only
    mention this because as one stage, return on investment (rent) in outer
    Sydney properties was double housing in middle Sydney (Parra -> east).

  8. "Bleve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    flyingdutch said:


    Quoted message said:

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    Wow .. I guess I'm showing my age, but I always thought of
    a million as a *serious* lot of money.

    I guess these days it only just gets you a house or something ...

    I think I read somewhere that bikepaths work out to about $150,000/km so
    $1,000,000 would get you just under 7km.

  9. flyingdutch <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    Bleve said:

    when I read this, I think "Half a million bucks! That buys
    a lot of bikepath".

    But, it's just painting the road. Wow, that's expensive
    paint!

    Not that the lanes are a bad thing per se, but I guess I'm always
    amazed at how expensive it is to do very little these days.

    I know .. you have to pay a crew to spend a number of hours with
    an expensive piece of machinery, and stencils ... and a road
    engineer ... but it does seem a -lot- of money for painted lines.

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    BoroondaraCouncil's recent budget includes 65k for each of its main
    offroad trails (works according to bikePathAudit). Im just hoping that
    65k isnt just a maintenance thing.

    It'll be either maintenance or the appointment of a full time officer to
    manage the trails. 65k is not a lot.

    Quoted message said:

    A set of traffic lights can cost 10k easy.

    The controller for a set of traffic lights is 66k by itself. Installing
    signals without modifying the road will generally cost between 110k to
    185k

    Quoted message said:

    A pram ramp 1k

    A minimum of 2 men with a truck for most of a day. Normally between 1
    and 1.5k.

    Quoted message said:

    Chandler/Tooronga and some WKLs along Riversdale and another road were
    220k altho the green lanes on Chandler would be a bit

    Coloured asphat costs around 250 to 300/t vs about 100/t for standard
    stuff.

    Bike path (concrete (75 - 100mm) with compacted subbase (100mm)
    generally costs between 150k/k and 200k/k on flat ground. Savings are
    made because the bridging standard is much lower and we dont build cycle
    lane interchanges and signalised intersection.

    How cool would that be - a stacked diamond bike interchange. Hill
    training for various levels of fitness.

    Cheers

    BrettM

  10. "BrettM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    flyingdutch <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    Bleve said:

    when I read this, I think "Half a million bucks! That buys
    a lot of bikepath".

    But, it's just painting the road. Wow, that's expensive
    paint!

    Not that the lanes are a bad thing per se, but I guess I'm always
    amazed at how expensive it is to do very little these days.

    I know .. you have to pay a crew to spend a number of hours with
    an expensive piece of machinery, and stencils ... and a road
    engineer ... but it does seem a -lot- of money for painted lines.

    I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    BoroondaraCouncil's recent budget includes 65k for each of its main
    offroad trails (works according to bikePathAudit). Im just hoping that
    65k isnt just a maintenance thing.

    It'll be either maintenance or the appointment of a full time officer to
    manage the trails. 65k is not a lot.

    Quoted message said:

    A set of traffic lights can cost 10k easy.

    The controller for a set of traffic lights is 66k by itself. Installing
    signals without modifying the road will generally cost between 110k to
    185k

    *chokes*

    What on earth is in that controller? I would have thought that you could
    damn near get the constituent bits and pieces from the local [censored] Smith
    store for $30! Failing that, the guts of an old 286 desktop for about the
    same amount.

  11. Resound said:

    "BrettM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    flyingdutch <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Bleve Wrote:

    >
    >when I read this, I think "Half a million bucks! That buys
    >a lot of bikepath".
    >
    >But, it's just painting the road. Wow, that's expensive
    >paint!
    >
    >Not that the lanes are a bad thing per se, but I guess I'm always
    >amazed at how expensive it is to do very little these days.
    >
    >I know .. you have to pay a crew to spend a number of hours with
    >an expensive piece of machinery, and stencils ... and a road
    >engineer ... but it does seem a -lot- of money for painted lines.
    >
    >I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    BoroondaraCouncil's recent budget includes 65k for each of its main
    offroad trails (works according to bikePathAudit). Im just hoping that
    65k isnt just a maintenance thing.

    It'll be either maintenance or the appointment of a full time officer to
    manage the trails. 65k is not a lot.

    Quoted message said:

    A set of traffic lights can cost 10k easy.

    The controller for a set of traffic lights is 66k by itself. Installing
    signals without modifying the road will generally cost between 110k to
    185k

    *chokes*

    What on earth is in that controller? I would have thought that you could
    damn near get the constituent bits and pieces from the local [censored] Smith
    store for $30! Failing that, the guts of an old 286 desktop for about the
    same amount.

    Nononono, they use specialized equipment in the controllers in order to
    make the lights in the other direction stay green when there's no
    traffic coming, and the green lights in your direction change to amber
    just as you approach...
    Plus, they have to be sensitive enough to register the proximity of a
    cyclist...

    ;-)

    --
    BrettS

  12. Resound said:


    *chokes*

    What on earth is in that controller? I would have thought that you could
    damn near get the constituent bits and pieces from the local [censored] Smith
    store for $30! Failing that, the guts of an old 286 desktop for about the
    same amount.

    Well, switching 240V reliably costs a packet.
    Ever tried buying relays for 10Amp 12Volt. They cost a few dollars and
    the only benefit of 240V stuff is economy of scale.

    Although these days, most of it can be done with ICs.

    Plus each traffic light has to be maintainable, so they have to build
    the controller so some bod with a screwdriver can take out and replace
    stuff.

    Plus Dicky Smith doesn't sell Traffic Light controller cabinents, and if
    they did, they'd crumple if I fell off my bicycle against them.

    Once you get off cheap chinese/indian/singaporean mass produced [censored],
    custome made costs big bickies.

    Quoted message said:


  13. Terry Collins said:

    Well, switching 240V reliably costs a packet.
    Ever tried buying relays for 10Amp 12Volt. They cost a few dollars and
    the only benefit of 240V stuff is economy of scale.

    You'd better take a closer look at traffic light technology. Most of the
    traffic lights in Adelaide are now LED, not 150W 240V incandescents. All the
    newer portables (for road works) in WA are also LED. And they don't use
    mechanical relays.

    Theo

  14. On 2005-09-02, BrettS (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    Nononono, they use specialized equipment in the controllers in order to
    make the lights in the other direction stay green when there's no
    traffic coming, and the green lights in your direction change to amber
    just as you approach...
    Plus, they have to be sensitive enough to register the proximity of a
    cyclist...

    One day I'm going to have to get off my [censored] and write to two councils
    about 3 sets of stupid lights.

    Is Camberwell Junction vicroads?

    Has anyone noticed that burwood rd/camberwell road's traffic light is
    now on a stupidly short sequence for the main direction, at night
    time? It stays green for the main route for about 10 seconds, and
    then red for about 20 or 30 seconds. When there's no traffic on the
    side road.

    Colour me pink lastnight, but the junction lights actually turned
    green for me lastnight instead of missing my cycle, despite me being
    the only vehicle there. It usually doesn't bother sensing me even
    when I shoot a few rounds of lead into the sensing loop.

    --
    TimC
    I'm all for computer dating, but I wouldn't want one to marry my sister. --unk

  15. TimC said:


    One day I'm going to have to get off my [censored] and write to two councils
    about 3 sets of stupid lights.

    Is Camberwell Junction vicroads?

    Yes it is!

    Grand news, especially for you, Timothy!

    I/greame/julia met with Boroondara council this morning and they showed us their plans for 06/07 fin.year for the missing link along Gardiners Creek between Golf Course/M-somethingRd and Warrigal Rd underpass!!!!!!!!!
    Woooohoooooo.
    Lots of other goodies outlined too.
    All shall be revealed in due course from Mr Stone's notes 😄😄😄

  16. On 2005-09-02, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:


    TimC said:


    One day I'm going to have to get off my [censored] and write to two councils
    about 3 sets of stupid lights.

    Is Camberwell Junction vicroads?

    Yes it is!

    Grand news, especially for you, Timothy!

    I/greame/julia met with Boroondara council this morning and they showed
    us their plans for 06/07 fin.year for the missing link along Gardiners
    Creek between Golf Course/M-somethingRd and Warrigal Rd
    underpass!!!!!!!!!

    Good work.

    I might have to get a job in the city so I can use that section of the
    path 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Woooohoooooo.
    Lots of other goodies outlined too.
    All shall be revealed in due course from Mr Stone's notes 😄😄😄

    Meeting's week after next, isn't it?

    --
    TimC
    Seen in a sendmail HELO greeting (Leon Brooks):
    Commodore 64 (anti-spam cartridge loaded)

  17. Resound said:

    "BrettM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    flyingdutch <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Bleve Wrote:

    >
    >when I read this, I think "Half a million bucks! That buys
    >a lot of bikepath".
    >
    >But, it's just painting the road. Wow, that's expensive
    >paint!
    >
    >Not that the lanes are a bad thing per se, but I guess I'm always
    >amazed at how expensive it is to do very little these days.
    >
    >I know .. you have to pay a crew to spend a number of hours with
    >an expensive piece of machinery, and stencils ... and a road
    >engineer ... but it does seem a -lot- of money for painted lines.
    >
    >I wonder how much it cost to do something like the Koonung trail?

    dunno. at a guess 1-2mill?
    Oh hang on, lots of bridges. you can probably add 2-500k for each of
    those!

    BoroondaraCouncil's recent budget includes 65k for each of its main
    offroad trails (works according to bikePathAudit). Im just hoping that
    65k isnt just a maintenance thing.

    It'll be either maintenance or the appointment of a full time officer to
    manage the trails. 65k is not a lot.

    Quoted message said:

    A set of traffic lights can cost 10k easy.

    The controller for a set of traffic lights is 66k by itself. Installing
    signals without modifying the road will generally cost between 110k to
    185k

    *chokes*

    What on earth is in that controller? I would have thought that you could
    damn near get the constituent bits and pieces from the local [censored] Smith
    store for $30! Failing that, the guts of an old 286 desktop for about the
    same amount.


    Yeah? We are throwing away pentiums nowdays

  18. "Resound" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The controller for a set of traffic lights is 66k by itself.
    Installing signals without modifying the road will generally cost
    between 110k to 185k

    *chokes*

    What on earth is in that controller? I would have thought that you
    could damn near get the constituent bits and pieces from the local
    [censored] Smith store for $30! Failing that, the guts of an old 286 desktop
    for about the same amount.

    Mostly proprietry stuff (boards etc). Most of the money is in the
    detector /fault checking systems. These things have a lot of redundancy
    and are "hardened"for heavy rain, minor flooding, electrical strikes.
    Then there are the reporting and link system (proprietry ISDN). Lastly
    there is the base and the steel case. Under each of them there is a
    custom made galvinised reo cage to a depth of about 600 to 1000mm set in
    concrete with bars for the steel case you see. It's about 2 days work
    for an eletrician and apprentice to install one which is included in the
    66k.

    The "core"of the system is a pretty standard EPROM that you can get from
    [censored] Smith (about 10c each for us).

    Cheers

    BrettM

  19. "Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Terry Collins said:

    Well, switching 240V reliably costs a packet.
    Ever tried buying relays for 10Amp 12Volt. They cost a few dollars
    and the only benefit of 240V stuff is economy of scale.

    You'd better take a closer look at traffic light technology. Most of
    the traffic lights in Adelaide are now LED, not 150W 240V
    incandescents. All the newer portables (for road works) in WA are also
    LED. And they don't use mechanical relays.

    Theo

    The cabinets are still 240V as is the supply to the posts. The headsets
    have transformers to step down to 12V. Low voltage systems (12V) have been
    in use since the 1980s but included separate transformers on each lamp (due
    to current draw).

    The LEDs reduced the number of transforms, remove the need for lamp changes
    and simplified the wiring. But they cost a bomb so change over is slow.

    Cheers

    BrettM

  20. BrettM said:

    "Resound" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The controller for a set of traffic lights is 66k by itself.
    Installing signals without modifying the road will generally cost
    between 110k to 185k

    *chokes*

    What on earth is in that controller? I would have thought that you
    could damn near get the constituent bits and pieces from the local
    [censored] Smith store for $30! Failing that, the guts of an old 286 desktop
    for about the same amount.

    Mostly proprietry stuff (boards etc). Most of the money is in the
    detector /fault checking systems. These things have a lot of redundancy
    and are "hardened"for heavy rain, minor flooding, electrical strikes.
    Then there are the reporting and link system (proprietry ISDN). Lastly
    there is the base and the steel case. Under each of them there is a
    custom made galvinised reo cage to a depth of about 600 to 1000mm set in
    concrete with bars for the steel case you see. It's about 2 days work
    for an eletrician and apprentice to install one which is included in the
    66k.

    The "core"of the system is a pretty standard EPROM that you can get from
    [censored] Smith (about 10c each for us).

    Cheers

    BrettM

    Should allow more money for better programmers ;-)

    --
    BrettS

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