GMSR - Stage 1

that is weird, one of the targettraining guys,
Anthony Colby won...
timing problems I bet, I've seen it happen before, in a
prologue coming down to a few seconds or fractions or
a second.
"results by velocity timing"
but none of the other cats were, strange.

amit said:

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that is weird, one of the targettraining guys,
Anthony Colby won...
timing problems I bet, I've seen it happen before, in a
prologue coming down to a few seconds or fractions or
a second.

from what i understand the prologue was a mass start hillclimb.

stage 1 report is here.

http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews/September/9.4.057.25AM19.shtml

so there's a winner, but results were nullified ? only for the GC ?

The Pro Men were indeed nullified as a field. The prologue results
stand.
I'm sure you'll all be hearing a lot more about it all in the near
future.
Bill C

The pro men results for the circuit race on Saturday were annulled due
to massive yellow line violations. 12 guys were initially DQ'd for
centerline advances, but it was later amended to GC penalites after a
10 minute sit-down protest before the start of Sunday's RR. Those guys
are fortunate that the entire race didn't get shutdown because of it.

I hope there are no ramifications from this for next year; everyone
I've heard from said they liked the new circuit race course.

Alan

everyone

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I've heard from said they liked the new circuit race course.

Alan

It was fine, the added distance was nice. However the "climb" wasn't
much of a climb and it was pretty much single lane with no shoulder or
at most a foot wide shoulder for the whole 37 mile circuit, so moving
up wasn't easy. The old course had a more substantial climb and I
remember a couple of places where it got pretty wide due to a
substantial shoulder. Maybe they should go back to the old circuit but
add a few laps?

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everyone

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I've heard from said they liked the new circuit race course.

Alan

It was fine, the added distance was nice. However the "climb" wasn't
much of a climb and it was pretty much single lane with no shoulder or
at most a foot wide shoulder for the whole 37 mile circuit, so moving
up wasn't easy. The old course had a more substantial climb and I
remember a couple of places where it got pretty wide due to a
substantial shoulder. Maybe they should go back to the old circuit but
add a few laps?

Considering that the there are two other stages with very significant
climbs in them, this new circuit seemed to add a lot. The old
circuit's climb was big enough to stifle attacking by riders like me
who could just barely make it over in the field. Then the run-in on
the old circuit had that killer headwin a lot of the time. I greatly
prefered this year.

I was in a 90-person field and it didn't seem to hard to move up. A
lot of riders were stressing about moving up, but all it took was
waiting till the right moment and then being ready.

JT

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It is total [censored] to DQ someone for a centerline violation. Some
courses are very poorly thought-out and virtually guarantee violations.

If you've ever been literally stuck in the middle of a peloton on a
narrow road course for 15-20 miles, with absolutely no hope of moving
up, you'll know what I'm talking about. Bring an impending climb into
the mixture and you'll have legions of guys darting across. If you're
stuck and follow the rules literally (in these situations), you may as
well just turn around and head back to the starting line, because
inevitably, all the fattest, hopelessly overgeared non-climbers end up
in front of you once the climb starts, and the winning break is gone
already.

Every rider deserves an equal opportunity to advance and do well, and
not just the riders who had the luck of being physically ON the
starting line. Especially if the start line is pre-staged and
"celebrity" riders are being called up first.

If you have a situation where mass quantities of riders are violating
the CLR, then the problem is not with the riders, the problem is with
the promoters and officials.

One other thing about this great race

I really liked the liberal use of fines and points deductions to keep
the riders in line. People needed to pay fines before starting the
next stage.

JT

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If you've ever been literally stuck in the middle of a peloton on a
narrow road course for 15-20 miles, with absolutely no hope of moving
up, you'll know what I'm talking about.

That's a loser attitude. Plus, in general, if it is really so packed
that it's impossible to move up, nothing important is going on anyway.

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Every rider deserves an equal opportunity to advance and do well, and
not just the riders who had the luck of being physically ON the
starting line.

Considering this race as 72 miles long, to think the line-up mattered
is silly. There are some crits where that sort of thing matters, but
not there.

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Especially if the start line is pre-staged and
"celebrity" riders are being called up first.

In GMSR they called up the top ten on GC plus people wearing jerseys,
for the crit.

JT

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If you've ever been literally stuck in the middle of a peloton on a
narrow road course for 15-20 miles, with absolutely no hope of moving
up, you'll know what I'm talking about.

That's a loser attitude. Plus, in general, if it is really so packed
that it's impossible to move up, nothing important is going on anyway.

Quoted message said:

Every rider deserves an equal opportunity to advance and do well, and
not just the riders who had the luck of being physically ON the
starting line.

Considering this race as 72 miles long, to think the line-up mattered
is silly. There are some crits where that sort of thing matters, but
not there.

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Especially if the start line is pre-staged and
"celebrity" riders are being called up first.

In GMSR they called up the top ten on GC plus people wearing jerseys,
for the crit.

JT

oh my god, I actually agree with JT! If you want a race with an open road,
stick to freakin' time trials!

Danny Callen

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Every rider deserves an equal opportunity to advance and do well

dumbass,

being in a good position, especially in a cross wind or at the base of
a climb (the two most common places for centreline violations) is big
part of racing.

smart riders are willing to make that early investment of energy to be
near the front when it matters.