Off to register a complaint...

On 08/09/05 at 20:48:19 Terry Collins somehow managed to type:

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SteveA said:

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Nah it won't be okay. I'll get him. Next time he tries to run me
over, he'll at least have a good reason 😉

One of my work colleagues used to be in charge of ALL the Army's
explosives. Should I have a word to him? 🙄

Hmm, perhaps I should start carrying a tin of nitropill, diesel and a

Forget Nitropil - far too expensive. If you're a farmer who actually
NEEDS the stuff and have safe, secure storage, Monsanto, Pivot or Bayer
Crop Science will sell you truck loads of the stuff quite cheaply.

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sparkler to give to motorists who [censored] me off. Only problem is I
don't know the effect radius and probably suggesting that will now

Just use a VERY small tin. A baby food tin I reckon would be a nice
size. You only want to scare a maniac, homicidal cager and NOT destroy
a whole suburb...:-)

Take it from me that topping a 1/3 full 44 gal. drum of diesel with
some of Pivots finest makes a VERY loud bang and a _/HUGE/_ hole in the
ground.

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earn me a 14 day free holiday.

At least...:-)

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Memo to self to put a pack of cards in the handlebar bag.

Might like to stash a few books in there too...:-)

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Humbug

I had a tradie do that to me about a month or so back.

My solution, I stopped. Explained to him it is illegal to blast horn unless there is danger, so what's the danger.

Then I told him I wouldn't move until he appologised. After close to a minite, he did (I am not sure he was 100% sincere though)

Scotty

TimC said:

But that is because we don't play the right cards. I've brought this
up before, and I'll bring it up again.

I've read the thread on this some time back, and this happened afterwards.

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Write a contemporaneous note,

I did.

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and report in the proper way, and they have no choice but to follow
up.

They said "that's nice, but nothing happend, there is nothing to report".

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A contemporaneous note can be admitted as evidence in court, but
hopefully the driver will be smart enough to take the option that
proceeds court (much less penalty if they are found guilty; and
hopefully the cop will be smart enough to make that clear):

Too late. I've lost faith in the police system.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>

On 2005-09-08, John Tserkezis (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC said:

But that is because we don't play the right cards. I've brought this
up before, and I'll bring it up again.

I've read the thread on this some time back, and this happened afterwards.

Quoted message said:

Write a contemporaneous note,

I did.

Quoted message said:

and report in the proper way, and they have no choice but to follow
up.

They said "that's nice, but nothing happend, there is nothing to report".

Next step I'd probably do, is take it to the ombudsman.

Remind me what state you are in? If Vic, perhaps Melb bicycle patrol
before that?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A contemporaneous note can be admitted as evidence in court, but
hopefully the driver will be smart enough to take the option that
proceeds court (much less penalty if they are found guilty; and
hopefully the cop will be smart enough to make that clear):

Too late. I've lost faith in the police system.

Yep.

--
TimC
you are WRONG. QED -- George Hammond

scotty72 said:

I had a tradie do that to me about a month or so back.

My solution, I stopped. Explained to him it is illegal to blast horn unless there is danger, so what's the danger.

Then I told him I wouldn't move until he appologised. After close to a minite, he did (I am not sure he was 100% sincere though)

Scotty

Same here!

this morning!!

riding up Williams St hill IN BIKE LANE.
Courier decides he needs to half-pass, then turn into me to get park.
I yell "OOOiiiiiii".
He takes exception and blares horn at me and starts stop-starting up behind me.
I stop and put feet on ground (dumb move in hindsight)
He starts yelling abuse, etc etc.
Steps out of car and im confronted by the dwarf from LOTR!
I use my now standard line...
"you realise you are at a disadvantage, dont you?"
grunt. bamboozled look...
"I can ID you thru your REGO. you cant id me"
i can see something resembling thinking being attempted but decides to default to normal brainwaves and tries pushing me instead.
As i have bike in between me and him he ALMOST gets within 2 feet of me 😄
i start getting bored with this...
"Look mate. All i did was say 'Oi' as you were breaking the law. get over it"
more braindead abuse follows...
"You dont get it do you? Im twice your size. Half your age and twice as fast .waddya reckon youre gonna do to me? ANd all bcos i pointed out that you were in the wrong!"
lots of muttering follows...
He backs off and does really gutsy muttering under breathe.
Im back on bike, go thru green, turns red as i get to other side and notice he hasnt made it. Stop. turn around and wave with BIG smile.

Poor sad git spends his working life in traffic all day.
AND he cant even reach the bar...

TimC said:

On 2005-09-08, John Tserkezis (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC said:

But that is because we don't play the right cards. I've brought this
up before, and I'll bring it up again.

I've read the thread on this some time back, and this happened afterwards.

Quoted message said:

Write a contemporaneous note,

I did.

Quoted message said:

and report in the proper way, and they have no choice but to follow
up.

They said "that's nice, but nothing happend, there is nothing to report".

Next step I'd probably do, is take it to the ombudsman.

Remind me what state you are in? If Vic, perhaps Melb bicycle patrol
before that?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A contemporaneous note can be admitted as evidence in court, but
hopefully the driver will be smart enough to take the option that
proceeds court (much less penalty if they are found guilty; and
hopefully the cop will be smart enough to make that clear):

Too late. I've lost faith in the police system.

Yep.

Me too 🙂

On 2005-09-08, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
<snippelage>

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He backs off and does really gutsy muttering under breathe.
Im back on bike, go thru green, turns red as i get to other side and
notice he hasnt made it. Stop. turn around and wave with BIG smile.

Well done dutchy, I have a big smile on my dial.

--
TimC
Sign on door of computing lecturer: "If your project is 90% right,
I will give you a distinction, your employer will fire you." -- Zebee

HUMBUG said:

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Hmm, perhaps I should start carrying a tin of nitropill, diesel and a

Forget Nitropil - far too expensive. If you're a farmer who actually
NEEDS the stuff and have safe, secure storage, Monsanto, Pivot or Bayer
Crop Science will sell you truck loads of the stuff quite cheaply.

Safe? secure?. Usually it is in bags under the tarp in a paddock. The
only mob TIKO that deals in truckloads is the mines.

The joke in NSW is that you will need a liscence (sp?) to buy it from
next year.

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Just use a VERY small tin. A baby food tin I reckon would be a nice
size. You only want to scare a maniac, homicidal cager and NOT destroy
a whole suburb...:-)

Lol, I have a cousin, who is a farmer and years ago he described his
first efforts in using it to clear stumps out of a paddock. 1/2 a bucket
made an impressive bang, totally cleared all traces of the stump from
the paddock. He said the best thing they did was to hide behind the farm
ute 200 metres away {:-). It sort of shielded them from the flying wood,
although the new wood panelling was interesting.

<note to mr spook - I'm not the person who sets off loud bangs near Ruse>

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Take it from me that topping a 1/3 full 44 gal. drum of diesel with
some of Pivots finest makes a VERY loud bang and a _/HUGE/_ hole in the
ground.

Doonside?
I still can not believe that guy set it off the way he did.

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earn me a 14 day free holiday.

At least...:-)

The new anti-terror laws. Mr spook can now give you a descretionary 14
day holiday if he thinks you might be up to no good.

Tamyka Bell said:

I had an irate, small-truck driver demand I get off the road, while Mark
and I were waiting side by side at the traffic lights. We were there
first - it's not like we had pushed through, and there was another lane
anyway. He told me to get out of the way. I pointed out I was doing
nothing wrong and I would not move. He said, "Fine, I'll fscking run
over you," and I pointed out that such behaviour was illegal and would
result in prosecution. He went on with these two statements for a bit.
When the lights changed, Mark and I did a very clean, fast take-off.
Despite the fact that bikes accelerate better than trucks, this guy
revved it, laid on the horn continually. He sped up until he nearly
clipped my rear wheel, then slammed on the brakes, and did this
repeatedly as we crossed the intersection. Once we were across, I could
move over to let him through... which would have been my intent from the
start, had he asked. I yelled out to onlookers, "What the -? Did you see
that? Did I deserve that?" and they looked at me blankly, except for one
guy who looked [censored]... at me or at the driver? Anyway, it was a
white truck, probably a Mitsubishi Canter (?) with a tray, 464DEP,
happened around 0645 this morning at the Logan/Kessels Rd
intersection... and we caught him before Klumpp Rd. [censored]!

I'd suggest the police and laying a charge of assualt against the
driver.

TimC said:

Quoted message said:

They said "that's nice, but nothing happend, there is nothing to report".

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Next step I'd probably do, is take it to the ombudsman.

So they can laugh about it too?

I treat the police system like any other business. If a mechanic does a
slack half-arsed job on your car, why in the world would you go through the
legal channels just to get it done again? What makes you think they'll get it
right the second time around?

Akin to getting sacked from a job where they treat you like [censored] every day,
and going through legal channels to get your job back.
Duh, why would you want to go back for seconds? What makes you think
anything is going to be different?

Quoted message said:

Remind me what state you are in? If Vic, perhaps Melb bicycle patrol
before that?

NSW.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>

Quoted message said:

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Too late. I've lost faith in the police system.

Is that what it is, a system? 😉

Kathy said:

Stuart Lamble said:

On 2005-09-07, TimC <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 2005-09-07, Tamyka Bell (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> The backup plan is the friend with the RPG.

Lotte?

Lotte only has a shotgun. For an RPG, I suspect Tam will be contacting a
friend in the military ...

Firepower.. I love fire power.

My dad always said his idea of a fair fight was him in a MBT versus a
bloke 3 km away with a pistol.

To quote Dennis Leary "...that's right guns, big [censored]' guns with giant
[censored]' bullets pal!"

That's what you need Tam. Of course we'll visit you in prison, won't we
guys?
;-)

--
BrettS

Tamyka Bell said:

I had an irate, small-truck driver demand I get off the road, while Mark
and I were waiting side by side at the traffic lights. We were there
first - it's not like we had pushed through, and there was another lane
anyway. He told me to get out of the way. I pointed out I was doing
nothing wrong and I would not move. He said, "Fine, I'll fscking run
over you," and I pointed out that such behaviour was illegal and would
result in prosecution. He went on with these two statements for a bit.
When the lights changed, Mark and I did a very clean, fast take-off.
Despite the fact that bikes accelerate better than trucks, this guy
revved it, laid on the horn continually. He sped up until he nearly
clipped my rear wheel, then slammed on the brakes, and did this
repeatedly as we crossed the intersection. Once we were across, I could
move over to let him through... which would have been my intent from the
start, had he asked. I yelled out to onlookers, "What the -? Did you see
that? Did I deserve that?" and they looked at me blankly, except for one
guy who looked [censored]... at me or at the driver? Anyway, it was a
white truck, probably a Mitsubishi Canter (?) with a tray, 464DEP,
happened around 0645 this morning at the Logan/Kessels Rd
intersection... and we caught him before Klumpp Rd. [censored]!

I am not a lawyer:

Assault is a Tort isn't it? Even if the police don't take this forward,
you could speak to a solicitor about privately prosecuting him. Even if
the police do take it forward as criminal assault, you're still free to
act on the Tortious assault.

yours,
Sam R.

Mark and I went to the police station last night to lodge a complaint
against the road rage we received yesterday. I found it very unusual
that police use first names... I spoke to Michelle (I think). I
explained what happened and she agreed it was inappropriate behaviour
and wrote down all the details.

She made some comment about the threat of violence being difficult to
charge for if there was no clear intent, i.e. if they were not actually
wielding a weapon, "For example, if he said he was going to kill you and
was holding a knife at the time." I said, "But he was wielding a weapon.
He was threatening to run me over with his vehicle, and he was driving
the vehicle at the time. He intended to use his vehicle as a weapon.
Surely the law would see it that way?" She agreed with this.

I made it very clear that I am not easily intimidated and that I
experience minor road rage on a daily basis; the fact that I found this
event scary was a pretty good sign that a less confident/experience
rider would have ended up in a bad way. I also explained that, had I
not managed to clip in quickly or had I been in a bad gear for take-off,
he would've hit me.

She asked what I wanted done - did I want them to look at it as a
traffic offence, eventually end up in court... or did I want them to
call him? I didn't think any good would've come out of taking it
further... I just wanted him to know he wasn't anonymous and he wasn't
getting off clean.

By the time Mark dropped me off at home, Mum was already answering the
phone call from Michelle. She had phoned the offender and told him his
actions were inappropriate, that it was perfectly legal for us to ride
two abreast, and that what he had done was a chargeable offence.

Of course, he claimed that we had ridden around him to take the front of
the lights and block him in. Now, even if we had done that, his actions
would've been inappropriate and illegal. However we didn't do that - we
rolled up to the lights as they turned red, and there were no other cars
there at the time. And the next two cars that came along chose to use
the other lane (which in hindsight is a real shame, as they seemed quite
sensible and would've been nice to have as a barrier between us and the
[censored]).

He's now recorded as having a complaint made against him, and he's had a
nice phone call at night telling him off. I'd call it a minor success. I
never wanted it to go further - if I had, I would've gotten witness
details at the time of the incident.

Tam *power to the people, not the machines*

Tamyka Bell said:

He's now recorded as having a complaint made against him, and he's had a
nice phone call at night telling him off. I'd call it a minor success. I
never wanted it to go further - if I had, I would've gotten witness
details at the time of the incident.

If he has more than 2 brain cells to rub together, he may pause and
think before he does this again.

Good on you! 🙂

--
..dt
1996 Diamond Back 'Expert Tg' Roadie (7spd DT shifters, favourite bike!)
2004 Trek 2300 Roadie (9spd Ultegra)
2003 DiamondBack 'Criterium' Roadie (8spd Sora, rain bike)

Kathy said:

Tamyka Bell said:

I had an irate, small-truck driver demand I get off the road, while Mark
and I were waiting side by side at the traffic lights. We were there
first - it's not like we had pushed through, and there was another lane
anyway. He told me to get out of the way. I pointed out I was doing
nothing wrong and I would not move. He said, "Fine, I'll fscking run
over you," and I pointed out that such behaviour was illegal and would
result in prosecution. He went on with these two statements for a bit.
When the lights changed, Mark and I did a very clean, fast take-off.
Despite the fact that bikes accelerate better than trucks, this guy
revved it, laid on the horn continually. He sped up until he nearly
clipped my rear wheel, then slammed on the brakes, and did this
repeatedly as we crossed the intersection. Once we were across, I could
move over to let him through... which would have been my intent from the
start, had he asked. I yelled out to onlookers, "What the -? Did you see
that? Did I deserve that?" and they looked at me blankly, except for one
guy who looked [censored]... at me or at the driver? Anyway, it was a
white truck, probably a Mitsubishi Canter (?) with a tray, 464DEP,
happened around 0645 this morning at the Logan/Kessels Rd
intersection... and we caught him before Klumpp Rd. [censored]!

Yeah sometimes I wish evil ex was around. Be nice to have her wander up
to the [censored] and arrest him for dangerous driving. 🙂 Ahhh well.

Hmmmm. Maybe I should consider a new career...

Tam

Kathy said:

Stuart Lamble said:

TimC said:

On 2005-09-07, Tamyka Bell (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

>The backup plan is the friend with the RPG.

Lotte?

Lotte only has a shotgun. For an RPG, I suspect Tam will be contacting a
friend in the military ...

Firepower.. I love fire power.

My dad always said his idea of a fair fight was him in a MBT versus a
bloke 3 km away with a pistol.

That sounds fair. Hehehe but MBTs come in pairs!

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

He's now recorded as having a complaint made against him, and he's had a nice phone call at night telling him off. I'd call it a minor success. I never wanted it to go further - if I had, I would've gotten witness
details at the time of the incident.

Tam *power to the people, not the machines*

Brilliant. You're taken a pragmatic approach to the situation. Afterall, the police have to be educated regarding vehicles being utilised as a weapons. And seriously, they hate extra officework. A win/win situation. You have a difference. BTW, can I have your permission to link your story to the WoJ list/fourm? ta. 🙂

David Trudgett said:

Tamyka Bell said:

I had an irate, small-truck driver demand I get off the road, while Mark
and I were waiting side by side at the traffic lights. We were there
first - it's not like we had pushed through, and there was another lane
anyway. He told me to get out of the way. I pointed out I was doing
nothing wrong and I would not move. He said, "Fine, I'll fscking run
over you," and I pointed out that such behaviour was illegal and would
result in prosecution. He went on with these two statements for a bit.

I would have got off the road around this point, if not
sooner. There's no point being dead right, is there? There are a few
real looney tunes on the roads, you know.

Glad you're still with us.

Oh the shame, the shame... ;-)

David

I hate wearing my cleats out by walking around on them.

Tam

scotty72 said:

I had a tradie do that to me about a month or so back.

My solution, I stopped. Explained to him it is illegal to blast horn
unless there is danger, so what's the danger.

Then I told him I wouldn't move until he appologised. After close to a
minite, he did (I am not sure he was 100% sincere though)

Scotty

If I had stopped, he would've hit me. If I hadn't clipped in fast
enough, he would've hit me. If I'd been in the wrong gear, he would've
hit me. I haven't seen someone like this before. I'm happy to stop
people or chase them, and explain the situation. This one was different.
This one was road rage.

Tam