Query -- Where's the iron

some chemical in tea.
Lack of B12 and BCAA

"ray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Recent blood and urine labs showed everything pretty good accept for
low hemoglobin, hematocrit and RBC count. The doctor recommended
eating more meat.

I'm not a vegetarian but I eat meat seldom. The diet is extremely
nutritious, about half whole intact grains with protein supplements of
legumes, nuts and seeds, and some animal products. Fruits and
vegetables are eaten at most meals. Attention is paid to freshness.

The Nutrition Almanac shows there should be no problem with iron
intake. Legumes are about as high as meat though it's mentioned that
form of iron is harder for the body to absorb. Pumpkin seeds are
iron-high.

Since intake is sufficient, the problem would be absorption, inability
to utilize for some reason or loss.

If there's no improvement, further tests would be done, probably to
check for blood loss in the stool.

What iron antagonists are there? Do some classes of medications burn
it up or make the supply less available for use? Are there
environmental factors that could affect it? Fumes from certain types
of jobs? The Nutrition Almanac said "alkalines" could push the level
down. It's expected that includes some medications.

Best,
rjn

ray said:

The Nutrition Almanac shows there should be no problem with
iron intake. Legumes are about as high as meat though it's
mentioned that form of iron is harder for the body to absorb.
Pumpkin seeds are iron-high.

The Nutrition Almanac said "alkalines" could push the level
down. It's expected that includes some medications.

I haven't seen that book myself, but this review from
amazon.com doesn't make it sound promising:

32 of 34 people found the following review helpful:
Is there science hiding in here?, November 3, 2001
Reviewer: zheniagorkovia from San Francisco, CA United States

I bought this book based upon the Amazon reader
recommendations I found here. Now I feel
obligated to set the record straight.

While parts of this book are thorough, with lots
of hard numbers [though it's difficult to figure out
what they mean in a practical sense, and the charts
are not lined to assist in their reading], it is also
riddled with new age foolishness as directly
presented as fact as RDA recommendations -- including
homeopathy, aroma therapy, etc. The book's
organization leaves me with questioning its entire
content. It is also not nearly as complete as I might
have hoped in listing nutritional content, leaving
out more unusual fruits and vegetables, and glossing
over different cuts of meat as largely the same.

It also gives far out of date [at least 20 years?]
recommendations for treatment of various diseases
and maladies. The treatments I'm aware of,
again raise questions about the others.

I will continue my search for thorough -- and
scientific, a.k.a. proven, not just testimonial and/or
based upon one flawed study -- nutrition elsewhere.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Query -- Where's the iron
From: [email hidden] (ray)
Date: 4/7/04 7:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Recent blood and urine labs showed everything pretty good accept for
low hemoglobin, hematocrit and RBC count. The doctor recommended
eating more meat.

You need a different doctor.

The iron in meat acts radically different in the body that does iron from a
plant. The iron in meat is more toxic to the human than it is beneficial.

Basically, you doctor is basing his numbers and conclusions upon the data
collected from supposedly healthy, yet sick people.
THE DOCTOR HAS NO NUMBERS BASED UPON TRULY HEALTHY PEOPLE.

If you are not ill, feel overly tired, etc, you are probably healthier than any
patient your current doctor has.

It is not unusual for truly healthy people to be told they have AIDS by their
doctor simply because their WBC count is not up to the level of the typical
sick human.

DrC PhD

I appreciate all three responses.

My experience, observation and reading show much of (but definitely
not all) what is called "new age" promotes health better than the
recommendations of the medical establishment so use of the term
doesn't ward me away from the book. It seems likely the nutrient
tables came from generally respected sources though I can't find where
it is taken from. The review you refer to doesn't call it
untrustworthy.

Best,
rjn

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Quoted message said:

ray said:

The Nutrition Almanac shows there should be no problem with
iron intake. Legumes are about as high as meat though it's
mentioned that form of iron is harder for the body to absorb.
Pumpkin seeds are iron-high.

The Nutrition Almanac said "alkalines" could push the level
down. It's expected that includes some medications.

I haven't seen that book myself, but this review from
amazon.com doesn't make it sound promising:

32 of 34 people found the following review helpful:
Is there science hiding in here?, November 3, 2001
Reviewer: zheniagorkovia from San Francisco, CA United States

I bought this book based upon the Amazon reader
recommendations I found here. Now I feel
obligated to set the record straight.

While parts of this book are thorough, with lots
of hard numbers [though it's difficult to figure out
what they mean in a practical sense, and the charts
are not lined to assist in their reading], it is also
riddled with new age foolishness as directly
presented as fact as RDA recommendations -- including
homeopathy, aroma therapy, etc. The book's
organization leaves me with questioning its entire
content. It is also not nearly as complete as I might
have hoped in listing nutritional content, leaving
out more unusual fruits and vegetables, and glossing
over different cuts of meat as largely the same.

It also gives far out of date [at least 20 years?]
recommendations for treatment of various diseases
and maladies. The treatments I'm aware of,
again raise questions about the others.

I will continue my search for thorough -- and
scientific, a.k.a. proven, not just testimonial and/or
based upon one flawed study -- nutrition elsewhere.