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  1. Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell. He described the
    process succinctly as "fermentation". This meant the metabolic process was
    the opposite of our normal tissues which are composed of animal cells. This
    gives us the most important clue to follow in developing a successful
    approach to the prevention and treatment of cancer. A plant cell thrives on
    carbon dioxide and gives off oxygen as its waste product. We are composed of
    animal cells and oxygen is essential for our assimilation of nutrients and
    the detoxification and elimination of waste products. Rational therapy must
    therefore include adequate oxygenation of all tissue. Dr. Warburg's
    discovery must encompass all of the following in order to be effective:

    Utilize a non-toxic substance (i.e. organic germanium or oxygen) to destroy
    cancer cells.
    Utilize high quality antioxidants to prevent the destruction of cells by the
    production of free radicals.
    Utilize a detoxification regimine to remove toxic metals.
    Utilize a high quality immune system restorer (i.e. ginseng).
    Replenishment of lost or deficient nutrients (essential fatty acids, amino
    acid enzymes and hormones).
    The elimination of all toxic accumulations.
    Enhancement of normal cell regeneration.
    Psycho-immunological support.

    Pure, medicinal grade Korean INSAM satisfies all of the above requrements.

    The Cancer Cell

    Cancer is a mycoplasma (Progenitor Cryptocides) bacteria - just like strep
    or staph, it lives harmlessly in the body. In its virulent form, it becomes
    a fatal systemic disease found in the blood. But the cancer mycoplasma is
    smaller, meaner and smarter. If you attack it, it packs up its bags and
    moves to another location where it can divide and multiply without
    interruption. That is why surgical removal of parts of the body is futile
    since the activated cancer is in the blood. Unless it is treated as a
    systemic disease, there is no hope of recovery.

    How We Get Cancer

    At the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, 3 things are
    created: (1) life; (2) an immune system; and (3) cancer bacteria. The job of
    the cancer mycoplasma is to cause the cell of the fertilized egg to divide
    and multiply rapidly until the embryo reaches full stage. At that time, the
    job of the cancer mycoplasma is finished. It will then remain in the blood
    stream of most animals, throughout our lives as a harmless scavenger.

    A pH variation occurs in the blood toward the acid side in very minute
    detectable quantities caused by physical abuse of the body: drugs,
    chemicals, stress, poor nutrition, fear, anxiety, and prolonged negative
    emotions. We believe this change in pH activates the cancer mycoplasma
    which, coupled with lack of oxygen in the blood, causes the blood to darken
    or appear greenish in color. This condition is then a fertile breeding
    ground for the now activated mycoplasma which begin to multiply rapidly. The
    more they multiply, the more they destroy the red blood cells, producing
    greater anemia. An immune system will surround the cancer and encapsulate it
    in the form of a tumor. This contains the cancer. However, because the tumor
    has a "feeding tube" drawing nourishment as well as additional cancer from
    the blood, the tumor will continue to grow. When the immune system is weak
    it cannot encapsulate the cancer into tumor form. Consequently it spreads
    (metastasis) to the rest of the body.

    Cancer patients continue to die by following standard medical therapies for
    cancer in North America, each year. Therapies which do not address the fact
    that cancer is a systemic infection and a failing immune system will not
    save the patient's life. Chemotherapy and/or radiation further destroys the
    immune system, can produce painful side effects and ultimate death.

  2. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    No he didn't. Alternative medicine has the annoying habit of making
    things up (lying, Jan would call it). This is easily refuted by reference
    to the Nobel site.

    http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1931/warburg-bio.html
    The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1931
    was awarded -----
    "for his discovery of the nature and mode of action of the
    respiratory enzyme"
    From his biography ---

    "His later researches at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute have led to the
    discovery that the flavins and the nicotinamide were the active groups of
    the hydrogen-transferring enzymes. This, together with the iron-oxygenase
    discovered earlier, has given a complete account of the oxidations and
    reductions in the living world. For his discovery of the nature and mode of
    action of the respiratory enzyme, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to him in
    1931. This discovery has opened up new ways in the fields of cellular
    metabolism and cellular respiration. He has shown, among other things, that
    cancerous cells can live and develop, even in the absence of oxygen."

    He never showed that cancer cells cannot live in the presence of oxygen, as
    the prevalent quack version of his work claims. That is untrue --- IOW a
    lie.

    Peter Moran

    ..

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/16/04 5:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    Nope.

    He was nominated for a Nobel Prize for some of his other work.

    His cancer work was ignored.

    However, you can still buy a Warburg apparatus if you wish to conduct lab
    studies.

    DrC PhD

    AOl has me confounded at this point. Therefore I am Tmichelle and not
    drceephd.

  4. Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/16/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    making
    things up (lying, Jan would call it).

    And what would you call it, Peter???????

    Jan

  5. I think that Dave now has another thing in mind here.
    When one brand of ginseng is questionable, or his sources have dried
    up, he then plugs anything he can get his slimy hands on.

    Dave, please don't post on this list anymore.

    Please get your bloody facts straight Dave before you quote Otto
    Warburg again.

    Vera

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    Quoted message said:

    Pure, medicinal grade Korean INSAM satisfies all of the above requrements.

    The Cancer Cell

    Cancer is a mycoplasma (Progenitor Cryptocides) bacteria - just like strep
    or staph, it lives harmlessly in the body. >
    Cancer patients continue to die by following standard medical therapies for
    cancer in North America, each year. Therapies which do not address the fact
    that cancer is a systemic infection and a failing immune system will not
    save the patient's life. Chemotherapy and/or radiation further destroys the
    immune system, can produce painful side effects and ultimate death.

  6. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/16/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:

    <[email hidden].


    au>

    Quoted message said:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    making
    things up (lying, Jan would call it).

    And what would you call it, Peter???????

    I don't know. Lying seems to have aquired a variety of meanings on this
    NG.

    Also I generally prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt i.e. that
    they to some degree believe what they are saying. A lot of beliefs
    amongst alt supporters are of the " I think I read somewhere once" and
    "those nice holistic doctors wouldn't say so if it weren't true" variety.
    Repeating those beliefs is not lying, even if they are patently false and
    were originally invented by some quack to sell something.

    Peter Moran

  7. Ha,ha,ha, and if you have no facts then speculate!

    "Vera Teasdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think that Dave now has another thing in mind here.
    When one brand of ginseng is questionable, or his sources have dried
    up, he then plugs anything he can get his slimy hands on.

    Dave, please don't post on this list anymore.

    Please get your bloody facts straight Dave before you quote Otto
    Warburg again.

    Vera

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for


    demonstrating

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    Quoted message said:

    Pure, medicinal grade Korean INSAM satisfies all of the above


    requrements.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The Cancer Cell

    Cancer is a mycoplasma (Progenitor Cryptocides) bacteria - just like


    strep

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or staph, it lives harmlessly in the body. >
    Cancer patients continue to die by following standard medical therapies


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cancer in North America, each year. Therapies which do not address the


    fact

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that cancer is a systemic infection and a failing immune system will not
    save the patient's life. Chemotherapy and/or radiation further destroys


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    immune system, can produce painful side effects and ultimate death.

  8. In article
    <[email hidden]
    om.au>,

    Peter Moran said:

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    No he didn't. Alternative medicine has the annoying habit of making
    things up (lying, Jan would call it). This is easily refuted by reference
    to the Nobel site.

    http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1931/warburg-bio.html
    The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1931
    was awarded -----
    "for his discovery of the nature and mode of action of the
    respiratory enzyme"
    From his biography ---

    "His later researches at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute have led to the
    discovery that the flavins and the nicotinamide were the active groups of
    the hydrogen-transferring enzymes. This, together with the iron-oxygenase
    discovered earlier, has given a complete account of the oxidations and
    reductions in the living world. For his discovery of the nature and mode of
    action of the respiratory enzyme, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to him in
    1931. This discovery has opened up new ways in the fields of cellular
    metabolism and cellular respiration. He has shown, among other things, that
    cancerous cells can live and develop, even in the absence of oxygen."

    He never showed that cancer cells cannot live in the presence of oxygen, as
    the prevalent quack version of his work claims. That is untrue --- IOW a
    lie.

    Indeed. Funny how alties turn that claim around without evidence.

    Some cancer cells can live in the absence of oxygen (relying on
    anaerobic metabolism), but in general, they cannot grow nearly as well
    or as fast without oxygen as they do in the presence of oxygen! If they
    did, they wouldn't need to secrete all those factors to induce the
    ingrowth of new blood vessels, now, would they? If they did, then
    perhaps alties can explain why, in large solid tumors, the cells in the
    center of the tumor mass, where the blood supply and oxygen tension, are
    the lowest, are mostly dead, whereas at the peripheries of the tumors,
    where blood and oxygen supplies are the richest, the tumor cells are
    alive and proliferating the most rapidly...

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/16/04 5:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    Nope.

    He was nominated for a Nobel Prize for some of his other work.

    His cancer work was ignored.

    However, you can still buy a Warburg apparatus if you wish to conduct lab
    studies.

    DrC PhD

    AOl has me confounded at this point. Therefore I am Tmichelle and not
    drceephd.

    Charle's sister is named Michelle. I guess he still lives with her and her
    boyfriend.

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/17/2004 12:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/16/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:

    <[email hidden].


    au>

    Quoted message said:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    making
    things up (lying, Jan would call it).

    And what would you call it, Peter???????

    I don't know.

    So a man of retirement age doesn't know that making up things is the same as
    lying.

    Quoted message said:

    Lying seems to have aquired a variety of meanings on this
    NG.

    You mean when a *gang* member states that when I say lying, that means a
    disagreement.

    That of course has never been true. whch means it is a lie.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    A lot of beliefs
    amongst alt supporters

    Not the subject, furthermore you couldn't see a doctor who repeatedly and
    deliberately violated regulations, was guilty of lying and coverups, so I
    excuse me if I have no faith in your judgment.

    Not to mention all the things I listed yesterday, that you thought were
    *rightful so*

    Jan

  11. Jan the Accuser said:

    You mean when a *gang* member states that when I say lying, that means a
    disagreement.

    That of course has never been true. whch means it is a lie.

    Lying? You're accusing someone of LYING, again?
    Why don't you ever PROVE your accusations?
    Is it because they're FALSE accusations?

    Like this one:

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to discredit
    you by making insinuations about who you are or what your
    motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing starts. Mostly
    comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names when in fact
    he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his own people.

  12. Jan the Accuser said:

    So a man of retirement age doesn't know that making up things
    is the same as lying.

    Except when Jan Drew makes up things?
    Like this:

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to discredit
    you by making insinuations about who you are or what your
    motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing starts. Mostly
    comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names when in fact
    he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his own people.

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: [email hidden] (Sweet Ilsa9)
    Date: 4/17/2004 9:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/16/04 5:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for demonstrating
    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    Nope.

    He was nominated for a Nobel Prize for some of his other work.

    His cancer work was ignored.

    However, you can still buy a Warburg apparatus if you wish to conduct lab
    studies.

    DrC PhD

    AOl has me confounded at this point. Therefore I am Tmichelle and not
    drceephd.

    Charle's sister is named Michelle. I guess he still lives with her and her
    boyfriend.

    Andrew Kingoff made lots of claims about him, but couldn't back any of them up.

    Andrew is a liar, you can't believe a word he says.

    From: Jan ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: Does this place serve any purpose?
    View: Complete Thread (400 articles)
    Original Format
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2004-01-19 16:50:44 PST

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Does this place serve any purpose?
    From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
    Date: 1/18/2004 6:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Does this place serve any purpose?
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 1/17/04 11:30 AM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    > What the orthopaths had and did is a matter of record if you wish to dig


    deep

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > enough and hard enough.

    I already did, in another post. It is you who clearly misunderstand the
    hisory of diabetes management.

    The history of diabetes management you refer to is the allopathic
    mismanagement
    of diabetes.
    What was the orhtopathic management of the disorder and what were their
    results?

    Quoted message said:

    Dietary treatment for childhood diabetics is useless in the long term.
    The only reason conventional medicine tried it was, before insulin, it
    was the only treatment that worked even a little bit, even in the short
    term.

    [censored]. You incompetents in allopthy had no ability or knowledge of how
    to
    use diet and lifestyle changes on the one hand and ran to insulin because it
    fits your mentality of "doing something ( even if it kills them )" and always
    trying to "poison the sick into getting well."

    I do agree, however, that Type I diabetes whereby the body is no longer
    producing its own insulin can only be treated with the needed insulin.
    The question still remains as to what in the world are we doing to our
    children
    that causes this to happen?
    I maintain that it is due to the improper feeding of our infants followed by
    poisoning them with vaccines.

    Get a clue. You know nothing except what your brainwased mind allows you to
    believe.
    I do not believe that you have ever read and studied the work of Be'champ or
    Enderlein.
    And what about Rosenow who proved once again in 1914 that bacteria are
    pleomorphic and not monomorphic as your germ theory of disease demands? This
    Nobel Prize winner proved beyond scientific doubt that staph germs and strep
    germs were one and the same.

    Charles, you lying jack-ass. We've proved it to you many times that Rosenow
    did none of those things and he most certainly never one a Nobel prize. Here
    is a listing of all winners by last name. See anyone named "Rosenow"?

    http://www.nobel.se/search/all_laureates_ln.html

    Quoted message said:

    All you had to do was change their food. You
    will find that data in the Journal of Infectious Diseases. Your Journal.
    Your
    data. And you are ignorant of it.

    Sure, Charles, I'm sure its right there next to Rosenow's name on the Nobel
    Laureate list.

    Quoted message said:

    DrC PhD.

    Charles lies about having a PhD. Actually Charles is lying when he says that
    he even went to college. He lies about having been raised on a farm. He
    lies
    about his diet (heavy on the Taco Bell Chalupas & Sour Cream). He lies about
    Pasteur having a special biographer that captured a posthumous death-bed
    confession. He lies about Rosenow being a Nobel Laureate.

    Does anyone see a pattern here?

    Yes. You, Andrew Kingoff were lying then and you are still lying. This was
    after you were caught lying about disharmonies and the Hulda Clark trial.

    Jan

    From: JDrew63929 ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: Interesting Info from Dr. Barrett
    View: Complete Thread (533 articles)
    Original Format
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2001-07-05 07:09:11 PST

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Interesting Info from Dr. Barrett
    From: [email hidden] (Ilsa Nein)
    Date: 7/5/01 8:59 AM US Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, could you give us the name of the manager at the Barnes and Nobel"s
    where
    you claim you and Charles worked, and the phone number please? I would like
    to
    check out your story.

    Jan

    Why not ask Charles?

    Because he didn't make the claim. You did, you prove it.

    He can give you the same info and you already believe

    Quoted message said:

    everything he says.

    That's an assumption.

    Jan

    From: ka&g ([email hidden])
    Subject: ? for rich andrews, was: re some religious laws or something
    View: Complete Thread (15 articles)
    Original Format
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2001-07-12 09:31:08 PST

    "Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Could you provide details on how you discovered this?

    Thanks

    rich

    ILSA9W said:

    MHA readers:

    The person calling himself "DRCEEPHD" is not a Doctor. His first name is
    Charles and he is a cashier at Barnes and Noble.

    He has not studied medicine nor even been to college.


    ran across this post and wondered why it was never answered here on the NG.
    or perhaps i just missed the answer what, with all of my blocked
    senders.....

    although, i'm guessing from rich andrew's ensuing jokes about this topic
    that he may have been contacted privately with the answer.

    so,what were the details on how ilsa discovered this, rich A.?

    it looks like andrew was the one who initially introduced this "real,
    genuine, 24-carat _argumentum_ad_hominem_." as D.C. called it.

    (and when i saw AK's response to D.C. on google, i thought it more than
    deserving of an entertainingly ironic sig file entry)

  14. Jan said:

    Andrew is a liar, you can't believe a word he says.

    Oh? Is that the proper treatment for liars?
    Like you:

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to discredit
    you by making insinuations about who you are or what your
    motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing starts. Mostly
    comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
    http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names when in fact
    he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his own people.

  15. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Ha,ha,ha, and if you have no facts then speculate!

    "Vera Teasdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I think that Dave now has another thing in mind here.
    When one brand of ginseng is questionable, or his sources have dried
    up, he then plugs anything he can get his slimy hands on.

    Dave, please don't post on this list anymore.

    Please get your bloody facts straight Dave before you quote Otto
    Warburg again.

    Vera

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for


    demonstrating

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    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

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    Pure, medicinal grade Korean INSAM satisfies all of the above


    requrements.

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    The Cancer Cell

    Cancer is a mycoplasma (Progenitor Cryptocides) bacteria - just like


    strep

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    or staph, it lives harmlessly in the body. >
    Cancer patients continue to die by following standard medical therapies


    for

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    cancer in North America, each year. Therapies which do not address the


    fact

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    that cancer is a systemic infection and a failing immune system will not
    save the patient's life. Chemotherapy and/or radiation further destroys


    the

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    immune system, can produce painful side effects and ultimate death.

    All this talk when there is a cure for cancer. Anyone heard of Rene
    Caisse a Canadian nurse, she cured many thousand of people of cancer.
    Yet nobody will believe it. It is a natural product and it works.
    Trade name ESSIAC.
    "Dr.Charles A Brusch, former personal physician to President John
    Kennedy, stated "Essiac is a cure for cancer, period." Brusch treated
    the son of Senator
    Edward Kennedy who had a sarcoma, after treatment he didn't have a
    cancer cell anywhere in his body.(all this information has been hidden
    from the general public). Drug companies dont want you to know.
    Hawaiian Noni Juice is another product which is used for the treatment
    of cancer. Noni Juice was banned by the EEC for two years because of
    its medical properties, until they where made to understand it a Fruit
    Juice.

  16. Quoted message said:
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    Subject: Re: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/17/2004 12:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    >Date: 4/16/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id:

    <[email hidden].


    au>

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    <snip>

    > making
    >things up (lying, Jan would call it).

    And what would you call it, Peter???????

    I don't know.

    So a man of retirement age doesn't know that making up things is the same as
    lying.

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    Lying seems to have aquired a variety of meanings on this
    NG.

    You mean when a *gang* member states that when I say lying, that means a
    disagreement.

    That of course has never been true. whch means it is a lie.

    <snip>

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    A lot of beliefs
    amongst alt supporters

    Not the subject, furthermore you couldn't see a doctor who repeatedly and
    deliberately violated regulations, was guilty of lying and coverups, so I
    excuse me if I have no faith in your judgment.

    Not to mention all the things I listed yesterday, that you thought were
    *rightful so*

    Jan

    March 9th.

    http://tinyurl.com/39bym

  17. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article
    <[email hidden]
    om.au>,

    Peter Moran said:

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for


    demonstrating

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    that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    No he didn't. Alternative medicine has the annoying habit of making
    things up (lying, Jan would call it). This is easily refuted by


    reference

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    to the Nobel site.

    http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1931/warburg-bio.html
    The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1931
    was awarded -----
    "for his discovery of the nature and mode of action of the
    respiratory enzyme"
    From his biography ---

    "His later researches at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute have led to the
    discovery that the flavins and the nicotinamide were the active groups


    of

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    the hydrogen-transferring enzymes. This, together with the


    iron-oxygenase

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    discovered earlier, has given a complete account of the oxidations and
    reductions in the living world. For his discovery of the nature and mode


    of

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    action of the respiratory enzyme, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to


    him in

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    1931. This discovery has opened up new ways in the fields of cellular
    metabolism and cellular respiration. He has shown, among other things,


    that

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    cancerous cells can live and develop, even in the absence of oxygen."

    He never showed that cancer cells cannot live in the presence of oxygen,


    as

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    the prevalent quack version of his work claims. That is untrue ---


    IOW a

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    lie.

    Indeed. Funny how alties turn that claim around without evidence.

    Some cancer cells can live in the absence of oxygen (relying on
    anaerobic metabolism), but in general, they cannot grow nearly as well
    or as fast without oxygen as they do in the presence of oxygen! If they
    did, they wouldn't need to secrete all those factors to induce the
    ingrowth of new blood vessels, now, would they? If they did, then
    perhaps alties can explain why, in large solid tumors, the cells in the
    center of the tumor mass, where the blood supply and oxygen tension, are
    the lowest, are mostly dead, whereas at the peripheries of the tumors,
    where blood and oxygen supplies are the richest, the tumor cells are
    alive and proliferating the most rapidly...

    All true. Also the bronchial lining, with the highest exposure to oxygen
    of anywhere in the body has not been noticeably resistant to cancer.
    There are many contrary observations to the alt.med theory but I like yours
    the best.

    Peter Moran

  18. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Cancer Treatment Requirements
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/17/2004 12:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:

    <[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    >Date: 4/16/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id:

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    <[email hidden]


    ..

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    au>

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    <snip>

    > making
    >things up (lying, Jan would call it).

    And what would you call it, Peter???????

    I don't know.

    So a man of retirement age doesn't know that making up things is the same


    as

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    lying.

    Quoted message said:

    Lying seems to have aquired a variety of meanings on this
    NG.

    You mean when a *gang* member states that when I say lying, that means a
    disagreement.

    Oh come on!!!!!!! Jan, this is the last time I will be bothered getting
    into this kind of discussion with you. If you put these two sentences of
    mine together, as they were in my post, anyone with any sense would
    realise I am talking with tongue in cheek, and not announcing that I don't
    know what a lie is. Sometimes, love, you are an idiot.

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    That of course has never been true. whch means it is a lie.

    <snip>

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    A lot of beliefs
    amongst alt supporters

    Not the subject, furthermore you couldn't see a doctor who repeatedly and
    deliberately violated regulations, was guilty of lying and coverups, so I
    excuse me if I have no faith in your judgment.

    What I said was pertinent to the question of whether Dave was himself
    "lying" when he posted the Warburg [censored] . I think probably not, in that he
    was posting something he "read somewhere".

    What you say is irrelevant and I don't much care what you think about my
    judgement.

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    Not to mention all the things I listed yesterday, that you thought were
    *rightful so*

    That the quacks were "rightfully prosecuted" when they broke the law?
    Listen, why don't you produce some evidence against what I said about all
    those quacks or my suggestion that they be "persecuted" until they either
    squeal or deliver up some worthwhile evidence for their claims? Nearly
    everyone thinks Hulda Clark is a nutter. Kelley thought he cured himself
    of cancer when there is no evidence he ever had it. Budwig has crazy
    theories about the sun and electrons in food. Are you seriously
    supporting the "homeopathic oxidation catalyst" and the color therapy of
    cancer? Don't you realise what your blanket, tireless support for all
    this silliness says about YOUR judgement?

    End of discussion.

    Peter Moran

  19. I don't know about Senator Edward (Teddy) Kennedy's son not having a
    cancer cell in his body, but I do know he doesn't have part of one leg
    anymore as it was amputaed to stop the cancer. It just didn't "go away"
    with "tea". This happened when he was a young teenager; I think he's in
    his 30ties now, &, like all Kennedys, quite physically active.

    Not sure what was "hidden from the public".

  20. "john william" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
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    Ha,ha,ha, and if you have no facts then speculate!

    "Vera Teasdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I think that Dave now has another thing in mind here.
    When one brand of ginseng is questionable, or his sources have dried
    up, he then plugs anything he can get his slimy hands on.

    Dave, please don't post on this list anymore.

    Please get your bloody facts straight Dave before you quote Otto
    Warburg again.

    Vera

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    > Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in science in 1931 for


    demonstrating

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    > that a cancer cell had the metabolism of a plant cell.

    Quoted message said:

    > Pure, medicinal grade Korean INSAM satisfies all of the above


    requrements.

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > The Cancer Cell
    >
    > Cancer is a mycoplasma (Progenitor Cryptocides) bacteria - just like


    strep

    Quoted message said:

    > or staph, it lives harmlessly in the body. >
    > Cancer patients continue to die by following standard medical


    therapies

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    > cancer in North America, each year. Therapies which do not address


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fact

    Quoted message said:

    > that cancer is a systemic infection and a failing immune system will


    not

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > save the patient's life. Chemotherapy and/or radiation further


    destroys

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > immune system, can produce painful side effects and ultimate death.

    All this talk when there is a cure for cancer. Anyone heard of Rene
    Caisse a Canadian nurse, she cured many thousand of people of cancer.
    Yet nobody will believe it. It is a natural product and it works.
    Trade name ESSIAC.
    "Dr.Charles A Brusch, former personal physician to President John
    Kennedy, stated "Essiac is a cure for cancer, period." Brusch treated
    the son of Senator
    Edward Kennedy who had a sarcoma, after treatment he didn't have a
    cancer cell anywhere in his body.(all this information has been hidden
    from the general public). Drug companies dont want you to know.
    Hawaiian Noni Juice is another product which is used for the treatment
    of cancer. Noni Juice was banned by the EEC for two years because of
    its medical properties, until they where made to understand it a Fruit
    Juice.

    Yes, Essiac Tea has been used to cue many cancers, energy healing has been
    used to cured many cancers,
    organic germanium rich foods have been used to cure cancer.

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect in the treatment of
    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part of Honshu): 260ppm
    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

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