Vaccinations: Here's what I don't get

There's a new theory that the various blood types evolved in repsonse to
various viral/bacterial assaults.
For instance this theory states that blood type O was good for fending off
viral attacks, and others different pathogens.
I don't remember the name of the theory - maybe someone else knows?
Anth

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OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases? If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid? Please
explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

If a non-vaccinated kid makes another non-vaccinated kid sick, big
whoop, right? What do you care? Your vaccinated kids are "safe",
right?

FWIW, in my experience, the non-vaccinated kids were healthier.
Non-vaccinated kids who are well-fed, well-loved, and well-housed - in a
sanitary environment - are (in my experience) healthier and less
inclined to suffer much from childhood illnesses, even when they do
catch them.

Of course, the non-vaccinated kids I speak of are my kids, and the kids
of my homebirthin', breastfeedin', stay-home-with-your-baby pals. I
realize were are not typical (but, IMHO, we should be).

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There's a new theory that the various blood types evolved in repsonse to
various viral/bacterial assaults.
For instance this theory states that blood type O was good for fending off
viral attacks, and others different pathogens.
I don't remember the name of the theory - maybe someone else knows?

How 'bout "Woo-woo!"

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Anth

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OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases?

That is possible with live vaccines. But vaccination still stops epidemics
of the wild disease occurring. Smallpox was eliminated not by vaccinating
everyone in the world (nor by improved sanitation in India and Africa) ---
it was controlled by restricting the movvement of cases and vaccinating all
who were in contact.

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If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

No. No vaccine is 100% effective, and some of the vaccinated will still be
at risk in any epidemic. The illness may be milder or shorter, but not
necessarily..

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How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid? Please
explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

The non-vaccinated kids are a threat to those who are too young to be
vaccinated or who cannot be vaccinated because of immunosupression or other
illnesses, also to themselves and others who refuse vaccinations.. The
classic example is whooping cough. Deaths in epidemics of that are mostly
in babies who are too young to be immunised.

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If a non-vaccinated kid makes another non-vaccinated kid sick, big
whoop, right? What do you care? Your vaccinated kids are "safe",
right?

Well, as pointed out above they are only fully safe if there is enough herd
immunity i.e. high enough per cent vaccinated to prevent epidemics. If
your children were spared the hazards of mumps, measles, whooping cough,
polio, rubella, then that was largely because others vaccinated their kids
and prevented.the epidemics that were usual when I was young.

If epidemics do occur, you had better warn your children to stay well clear
of cases if they can. Most such illnesseses that can be much more severe in
older persons. They also should be careful when they travel. They could
also easily bring such illnesses back from other countries..

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FWIW, in my experience, the non-vaccinated kids were healthier.

FWIW is right, as you are smart enough to know..

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Non-vaccinated kids who are well-fed, well-loved, and well-housed - in a
sanitary environment - are (in my experience) healthier and less
inclined to suffer much from childhood illnesses, even when they do
catch them.

Yes, you can be lucky. Most kids escaped being paralysed by polio, or
made brain dead by measles even when I was a kid, but my mother was too
scared to ever let me drink from a public water fountain in case I got polio
during the frequent epidemics. Perhaps you aren't old enough to fully
grasp the impact of these illnesses in an unprotected population.

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Of course, the non-vaccinated kids I speak of are my kids, and the kids

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of my homebirthin', breastfeedin', stay-home-with-your-baby pals. I
realize were are not typical (but, IMHO, we should be).

Well, that's exactly how it all used to be and it wasn't as pretty as you
seem to think. For God's sake go to an old cemetery and look at the ages of
the children, And that wasn't malnutrition, look at the survival rates
amongst the children of the crowned heads of Europe. It is easy to
romanticize about the "natural" when you have grown up in such a protected
environment as you have today.

Peter Moran.

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Yes, you can be lucky. Most kids escaped being paralysed by polio, or
made brain dead by measles even when I was a kid, but my mother was too
scared to ever let me drink from a public water fountain in case I got

polio

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during the frequent epidemics. Perhaps you aren't old enough to fully
grasp the impact of these illnesses in an unprotected population.

AFAIAC, that is the problem with the anti-vacs in a nutshell. They have
never seen epidemcis or have felt the fear when the kid down the block was
found to have polio.

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OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases?

That is possible with live vaccines. But vaccination still stops

epidemics

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of the wild disease occurring. Smallpox was eliminated not by

vaccinating

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everyone in the world (nor by improved sanitation in India and Africa) ---
it was controlled by restricting the movvement of cases and vaccinating

all

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who were in contact.

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If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

No. No vaccine is 100% effective, and some of the vaccinated will still

be

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at risk in any epidemic. The illness may be milder or shorter, but not
necessarily..

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How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid? Please
explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

The non-vaccinated kids are a threat to those who are too young to be
vaccinated or who cannot be vaccinated because of immunosupression or

other

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illnesses, also to themselves and others who refuse vaccinations.. The
classic example is whooping cough. Deaths in epidemics of that are

mostly

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in babies who are too young to be immunised.

Are not the live vaccinated kids also a threat due to passing on the virus
through herd immunity?
I also know of studies done on post polio survivors who were still producing
the antibodies many years after they had allegedly defeated the disease,
this is one of the big inconsistancies that would be nice to have cleared
up..
Also are these post disease survivors not also a threat to un vaccinated
people?

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If a non-vaccinated kid makes another non-vaccinated kid sick, big
whoop, right? What do you care? Your vaccinated kids are "safe",
right?

See above - herd immunity.

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Well, as pointed out above they are only fully safe if there is enough

herd

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immunity i.e. high enough per cent vaccinated to prevent epidemics. If
your children were spared the hazards of mumps, measles, whooping cough,
polio, rubella, then that was largely because others vaccinated their kids
and prevented.the epidemics that were usual when I was young.

Anth

Live vaccines also reach epidemic proportions by your own argument.
Do you think this an argument to stop vaccinating as the live virus will
always infect others and induce immunity in them? Seems double think to me.
Anth

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Yes, you can be lucky. Most kids escaped being paralysed by polio, or
made brain dead by measles even when I was a kid, but my mother was too
scared to ever let me drink from a public water fountain in case I got

polio

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during the frequent epidemics. Perhaps you aren't old enough to fully
grasp the impact of these illnesses in an unprotected population.

AFAIAC, that is the problem with the anti-vacs in a nutshell. They have
never seen epidemcis or have felt the fear when the kid down the block was
found to have polio.

In the case of polio, if you had not vaccinated your children it's probable
(assuming herd immunity is valid)
that your children aquired immunity from others, and are passing on the
virus to others.
Anth

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OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases? If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid? Please
explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

If a non-vaccinated kid makes another non-vaccinated kid sick, big
whoop, right? What do you care? Your vaccinated kids are "safe",
right?

FWIW, in my experience, the non-vaccinated kids were healthier.
Non-vaccinated kids who are well-fed, well-loved, and well-housed - in a
sanitary environment - are (in my experience) healthier and less
inclined to suffer much from childhood illnesses, even when they do
catch them.

Of course, the non-vaccinated kids I speak of are my kids, and the kids
of my homebirthin', breastfeedin', stay-home-with-your-baby pals. I
realize were are not typical (but, IMHO, we should be).

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Subject: Vaccinations: Here's what I don't get
From: ToolPackinMama [email hidden]
Date: 4/20/04 12:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Of course, the non-vaccinated kids I speak of are my kids, and the kids
of my homebirthin', breastfeedin', stay-home-with-your-baby pals. I
realize were are not typical (but, IMHO, we should be).

More power to you Mama.

My grandchildren are doing very wll being breast fed and un-poisoned by
vaccines. I do have a fourth on the way.

The germ theory of disease is false. When you research that and understand it
enough, all our epidemics are understandable.

All epidemics, in the US, begin in Atlanta, Georgia. That is because that is
where the CDC is located.

Polio is just one example of our medical monopoly combined with our corrupt
government. Polio really shows you how powerful the medical monopoly really
is, and how readily they can round us up for branding like a herd of dumb cows.

It is alright to avoid them, but do not get too well known. They have a habit
of arresting and assassinating their competetion.

DrC PhD

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There's a new theory that the various blood types evolved in repsonse to
various viral/bacterial assaults.
For instance this theory states that blood type O was good for fending

off

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viral attacks, and others different pathogens.
I don't remember the name of the theory - maybe someone else knows?

How 'bout "Woo-woo!"

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Anth

Oh dear, you are confused again, "Woo-woo" is what folks say about you after
reading one or two of your posts.

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"ToolPackinMama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases?

That is possible with live vaccines. But vaccination still stops

epidemics

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of the wild disease occurring. Smallpox was eliminated not by

vaccinating

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everyone in the world (nor by improved sanitation in India and

Africa) ---

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it was controlled by restricting the movvement of cases and vaccinating

all

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who were in contact.

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If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

No. No vaccine is 100% effective, and some of the vaccinated will still

be

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at risk in any epidemic. The illness may be milder or shorter, but not
necessarily..

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How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid?

Please

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explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

The non-vaccinated kids are a threat to those who are too young to be
vaccinated or who cannot be vaccinated because of immunosupression or

other

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illnesses, also to themselves and others who refuse vaccinations.. The
classic example is whooping cough. Deaths in epidemics of that are

mostly

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in babies who are too young to be immunised.

Are not the live vaccinated kids also a threat due to passing on the virus
through herd immunity?

Very few vaccines are live. Vaccinia ("Cowpox"😉 , as used in smallpox
vaccination was, but it could be passed on mainly as a skin sore similar to
that produced by the vaccination and on the hands of milkmaids..

It is thought that the live polio vaccine, which can spread like the real
virus, may have been responsible for a very small number of cases of
paralytic polio, and there is always the risk of a live vaccine mutating
into a more virulent form. For this reason there is a move to non-live
vaccines for polio in countries where the wild virus has been eliminated.
Live viruses probably produce more long-lasting immunity that dead vaccines,
and are of course much easier for the child if they can be used orally or
intranasally.

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I also know of studies done on post polio survivors who were still

producing

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the antibodies many years after they had allegedly defeated the disease,
this is one of the big inconsistancies that would be nice to have cleared
up..
Also are these post disease survivors not also a threat to un vaccinated
people?

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If a non-vaccinated kid makes another non-vaccinated kid sick, big
whoop, right? What do you care? Your vaccinated kids are "safe",
right?

See above - herd immunity.

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Well, as pointed out above they are only fully safe if there is enough

herd

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immunity i.e. high enough per cent vaccinated to prevent epidemics. If
your children were spared the hazards of mumps, measles, whooping cough,
polio, rubella, then that was largely because others vaccinated their

kids

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and prevented.the epidemics that were usual when I was young.

Anth

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ToolPackinMama said:

OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

It isn't because vaccines are not 100% effective.

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What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases? If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

No, because in some cases the vaccines do not "take", and in some
cases they don't take completely, so the person gets the disease
anyway, just not as virulently. And in still other cases (pertussis
is the classic example), vaccine-derived immunity wanes over time.
If you were vaccinated for pertussis ten or more years ago, you're
probably not immune any more. However, as an adult you won't get
anything more than a persistent cough -- which is far from what will
happen to a 3-month-old infant you might infect.

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How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid?
Please explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

No, because most vaccinations don't use live virus. Again, because
vaccines aren't perfect and non-vaccinated kids are many times more
likely to get the disease, they do pose more of a threat.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those "CRAZY"
chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there. Vaccination is
about choice, if you feel that you want to vaccinate your children go ahead.
But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for our
children is not as yours may be. As a doctor I have seen the efffects of
vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect. I choose not to expose my
children to these substance. Thank GOD we live in America so we all have
these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

"ToolPackinMama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OK, so, kids who are vaccinated are supposed to not get the diseases
that they supposedly are vaccinated against. Assuming this is true
(which it isn't), explain this:

What makes people think that they can't still be carriers, and spread
diseases? If they are vaccinated, they supposedly are OK, and it's only
the non-vaccinated who have reason for concern, right?

How does a non-vaccinated kid pose a threat to a vaccinated kid? Please
explain. IMHO, logically, it should be the reverse, yes?

If a non-vaccinated kid makes another non-vaccinated kid sick, big
whoop, right? What do you care? Your vaccinated kids are "safe",
right?

FWIW, in my experience, the non-vaccinated kids were healthier.
Non-vaccinated kids who are well-fed, well-loved, and well-housed - in a
sanitary environment - are (in my experience) healthier and less
inclined to suffer much from childhood illnesses, even when they do
catch them.

Of course, the non-vaccinated kids I speak of are my kids, and the kids
of my homebirthin', breastfeedin', stay-home-with-your-baby pals. I
realize were are not typical (but, IMHO, we should be).

I said no such thing.

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Live vaccines also reach epidemic proportions by your own argument.
Do you think this an argument to stop vaccinating as the live virus will
always infect others and induce immunity in them? Seems double think to

me.

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Anth

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Yes, you can be lucky. Most kids escaped being paralysed by polio,

or

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made brain dead by measles even when I was a kid, but my mother was

too

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scared to ever let me drink from a public water fountain in case I got

polio

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during the frequent epidemics. Perhaps you aren't old enough to

fully

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grasp the impact of these illnesses in an unprotected population.

AFAIAC, that is the problem with the anti-vacs in a nutshell. They have
never seen epidemcis or have felt the fear when the kid down the block

was

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found to have polio.

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I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those

"CRAZY"

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chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there.

Meant by whom? Is this a religious argument? Since poliovirus is
presumanly not "meant" to paralyse and kill children, it perhaps makes more
sense to use an attenuated (you can look that up, "Doctor"😉 virus to
prevent the disease occurring and hopefully eliminate the virus from teh
planet.

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Vaccination is
about choice, if you feel that you want to vaccinate your children go

ahead.

Again the self-obsessed perspective that pervades alternaitve medicine.
Vaccination is also about rights, the right of people to be protected by
semi-compulsory collective action .

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But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for our
children is not as yours may be. As a doctor I have seen the efffects of
vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect. I choose not to expose my
children to these substance.

[censored]. These things are so rare that I never saw such a case in over
thirty years of medical practice. Chiropractors would see even less

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Thank GOD we live in America so we all have
these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

Freedom is good. Differences of opinion are good. Civilisation thrives on
the infinite diversity of mankind. What stuffs it up are ideas that are
held contrary to all the evidence. Opposition to vaccination has now been
shown to regularly result in unnecessary deaths and suffering, even
impacting on those who once held the view that vaccination was undesirable..

You are only safe becasue others have assumed any risks that do exist with
vaccinations.

Peter Moran

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I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those

"CRAZY"

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chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there. Vaccination is
about choice, if you feel that you want to vaccinate your children go

ahead.

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But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for our
children is not as yours may be. As a doctor I have seen the efffects of
vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect. I choose not to expose my
children to these substance. Thank GOD we live in America so we all have
these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

Dear Freeloader:

Please keep your disease vectors away from my kids.

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I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those

"CRAZY"

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chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there.

Thank goodness that most people don't agree with you. If they did we
would probably have countless people dying of small pox and being
paralyzed by polio.

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But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for our
children is not as yours may be.

I will not condemn you for choosing not to vaccinate your child. I
will criticize you for convincing others to do as you are doing since
if enough people choose not to vaccinate it is likely we will have
recurrence of epidemics, morbidity and deaths.

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As a doctor I have seen the efffects of
vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect.

I thought you said you were a chiroquactor?? In any case how do you
know that the vaccinations are what caused these conditions?? Tell us
how many cases of the above that you have seen.

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I choose not to expose my
children to these substance. Thank GOD we live in America so we all have
these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

YOu should thank God that you live in America that has a very high
rate of vaccination which protects your unvaccinated child from
diseases. If you lived in a country like Pakistan or India your choice
would be a poor one. Your children are protected from serious diseases
because others have chosen to have their children vaccinated.

And thank you for adding another data point to support the assertion
that chiroquactors should NOT be primary care "doctors".

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

My disease vector child is 19 months old, never had a cold, never had a
cough, or an ear infection never had any type of illness, all the while he
comes to work with me almost every day and plays with children that have
runny noses and god knows what else, but his immune systems works great! How
many vaccinated children have that type of record. I know that I certainly
did not as a child, my parent did not know that they had a choice when it
came to vaccination. I treat alot of children, the healthiest by far, seem
to be the non-vaccinated. (Sorry if you dont agree) Between my wife
breatfeeding, no vaccinations and chiropractic care I know in my heart (and
a lot of research) that I am doing the best for my child.

My poor nephew is now deaf because of a chicken pox vaccine. His mother
went on blind faith that the vaccine was safe, the Dr. told her it was. Like
I said before thank god we all have a choice. If you want to vaccinate your
child go for it I will never attemp to stop anyone, but at the same time
please let those of us who choose not to, have the right to make those
choices.
The bottom line is do what you belive best! But dont do it blindly, ask
questions of your Dr. and do the research. What ever you decide, that is OK!

By he way I remember Mark Probert from about 8 years ago when I posted in
these forums before. Still the same stuff! I did not post hear to get into a
child like argument, like sometimes happens in these forums. By the way, why
am I a "freeloader"?

Dr. Richard L. Rodgers II

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"Dr. Richard L. Rodgers II" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those

"CRAZY"

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chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there. Vaccination is
about choice, if you feel that you want to vaccinate your children go

ahead.

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But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for

our

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children is not as yours may be. As a doctor I have seen the efffects of
vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect. I choose not to expose my
children to these substance. Thank GOD we live in America so we all have
these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

Dear Freeloader:

Please keep your disease vectors away from my kids.

It does not take an MD to put two and two together and figure out that the
normal kid that had a reaction to the shot the night before, and when into a
high fever, and now is not normal. Also in Ohio we have a broad parctice
scope that allows me to make these opinions.( Just like most states)

Just ask around a little and you will find children who have had reactions.

By the way, some of those third world countries have better life spans than
we do, and less infant motality rates.

Dr. Richard L. Rodgers II

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I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those

"CRAZY"

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chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there.

Thank goodness that most people don't agree with you. If they did we
would probably have countless people dying of small pox and being
paralyzed by polio.

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But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for

our

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children is not as yours may be.

I will not condemn you for choosing not to vaccinate your child. I
will criticize you for convincing others to do as you are doing since
if enough people choose not to vaccinate it is likely we will have
recurrence of epidemics, morbidity and deaths.

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As a doctor I have seen the efffects of
vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect.

I thought you said you were a chiroquactor?? In any case how do you
know that the vaccinations are what caused these conditions?? Tell us
how many cases of the above that you have seen.

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I choose not to expose my
children to these substance. Thank GOD we live in America so we all

have

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these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

YOu should thank God that you live in America that has a very high
rate of vaccination which protects your unvaccinated child from
diseases. If you lived in a country like Pakistan or India your choice
would be a poor one. Your children are protected from serious diseases
because others have chosen to have their children vaccinated.

And thank you for adding another data point to support the assertion
that chiroquactors should NOT be primary care "doctors".

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Hiya rick, long time no see! Last I saw you was in 1998 in
alt.support.attn-deficit.

We had a great thread about ADHD and chiropractic.

See:

http://tinyurl.com/22o9x

In it I said, to a very nice gentleman who holds the degree of Doctor of
Chiropractic:

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Mr. Palmer, You bring up a perfectly valid point. As a
chiropractic physician , I am constantly frustrated by the fact that too

many

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in this profession require double blind peer reviewed studies for medical
science but immediately take an about-face when it comes to chiropractic
science. That's why chiropractic science is so bastardized by the astute
thinking people in the world. Whether it is ADD, ADHD, or as I just read
in another post, hypertension , a chiropractic professional should
and better have a reasonable and scientific explanation for how
spinal manipulation will benefit. Not just clinical trials.
Matt G. Shull, D.C.

Got the message yet?

Uniformity of standards. Now, Herbies, and you other "Alternative Critters",
do
you finally understand what we have been saying????

Dr. Shull has said it fron the alternative side. I have said it from the
allopathic side.

If you want to remain clueless, that is your choice. However, do NOT try to
say
that yours is better, when your so-called researchers refuse touse
appopriate
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My disease vector child is 19 months old, never had a cold, never had a
cough, or an ear infection never had any type of illness, all the while he
comes to work with me almost every day and plays with children that have
runny noses and god knows what else, but his immune systems works great!

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many vaccinated children have that type of record. I know that I certainly
did not as a child, my parent did not know that they had a choice when it
came to vaccination. I treat alot of children, the healthiest by far, seem
to be the non-vaccinated. (Sorry if you dont agree) Between my wife
breatfeeding, no vaccinations and chiropractic care I know in my heart

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a lot of research) that I am doing the best for my child.

My poor nephew is now deaf because of a chicken pox vaccine.

A friend (who was a pediatric neurologist at the time) of mine's son, is
severely brian damaged because he contracted what is now a vaccine
preventable disease, before the advent of the vaccine.

His mother

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went on blind faith that the vaccine was safe, the Dr. told her it was.

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I said before thank god we all have a choice. If you want to vaccinate

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child go for it I will never attemp to stop anyone, but at the same time
please let those of us who choose not to, have the right to make those
choices.

You have that right, and you know you have that right, so you raise a
strawman.

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The bottom line is do what you belive best! But dont do it blindly, ask
questions of your Dr. and do the research. What ever you decide, that is

OK!

I sure hope so.

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By he way I remember Mark Probert from about 8 years ago

That's OK. I have been remembered by someone form 42 years ago. You are
nowhere near the record.

when I posted in

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these forums before. Still the same stuff!

Not really. But, you never did let the facts stand in your way.

I did not post hear to get into a

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child like argument, like sometimes happens in these forums. By the way,

why

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am I a "freeloader"?

You are relying on herd immunity. I presume you have heard of herd immunity.

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I personally do not have my little boy vaccinated, I am one of those

"CRAZY"

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chiropractors that dont think that it is a smart idea to introduce
substances into the body that where not ment to be there. Vaccination

is

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about choice, if you feel that you want to vaccinate your children go

ahead.

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But at the same time, I dont think that those of us who wish not to
vaccinated should be comdemed because our views about what is good for

our

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children is not as yours may be. As a doctor I have seen the efffects

of

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vaccination, hearing loss , retardation, ect. I choose not to expose

my

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children to these substance. Thank GOD we live in America so we all

have

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these choices, and we may all talk about this in an open forum.

Dear Freeloader:

Please keep your disease vectors away from my kids.