Re : Mark MD's Hobby

Other than you posting the results of one of your myriad of cleanses, was
there a point to this post?

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Not alternative medicine but Jan.

That's because Mark LIED in one of his early posts, and was caught, then

he

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lost his temper. Sad that he hold grudges.

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Subject: Re: Jan Drew, classic bigot
From: "William A. Noyes" [email hidden]
Date: 6/2/2004 2:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Nana Weedkiller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ted Nidiffer/aka Nana is an atheist.

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> <Rich.@.> wrote in message

Richard H Jacobson is a known liar, badgering and cyberstalker, who uses

ill

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and even dead parnet/s to belittle.

Mark overlooks that.

Mark MD is only too happy to read their sick posts and repeat them.

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> > On 30 May 2004 01:23:08 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
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> > >I have bashed no Catholics. In fact, our best friends are

Catholics.

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I have never mention Catholics.

Praying to saints comes from man, not God, and indeed comes from Satan.

Jan

Jan, have you actually talked to your best friends about this view of
yours? Have you told your Catholic friends that when they "pray to
saints" (as Catholics do) they are actually engaging in something
Satanic?

What did your friends say?

Mark, MD

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Jan.

That has been answered, look it up.

Jan

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Other than you posting the results of one of your myriad of cleanses, was
there a point to this post?

No, Jan doesn't have a point with this post. She doesn't have a
response to my (very valid) question, so she resorts to unrelated
postings which she hopes will redirect the conversation.

Back to the point: Has Jan, in fact, confronted her "best friends"
about their supposed Satanic activities? [Jan thinks that people who
pray to saints {Catholics} are being led astray by Satan] I'd guess
not, since they (her Catholic "best friends"😉 would certainly cease to
want to have any association with a lunatic that would hold such
asinine views...but she won't admit that because it would show that
she can't put her money where her mouth is.

Instead, she answers with "It's in the archives", as if anyone will
dredge through her thousands of postings to see if she has ever
answered the question before.

AFAIK, nobody has ever actually asked her this question before. If
she claims that she has been asked, and has answered, this question in
the past, I'll just assume she's lying until she proves it by showing
the post(s) where this supposedly happened.

Ah, well. Back to the yardwork.

Mark, MD

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Other than you posting the results of one of your myriad of cleanses, was
there a point to this post?

No, Jan doesn't have a point with this post. She doesn't have a
response to my (very valid) question, so she resorts to unrelated
postings which she hopes will redirect the conversation.

Back to the point: Has Jan, in fact, confronted her "best friends"
about their supposed Satanic activities? [Jan thinks that people who
pray to saints {Catholics} are being led astray by Satan]

Cue Jan to say that this is off topic, that it is none of your
business, that she answered it before or that none of her Catholic
friends pray to Saints. What Jan will *not* do is directly answer
whether she thinks that Catholics who pray to Saints are led astray by
Satan. And the reason that she won't is because she is deceitful,
dishonest and manipulative. If she was just mentally ill she would
likely immediately answer the question. But alas, Jan Drew is a
psychopath with no conscience and complete indifference to others.

Aloha,

Rich

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 6/4/2004 1:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Other than you posting the results of one of your myriad of cleanses, was
there a point to this post?

No, Jan doesn't have a point with this post. She doesn't have a
response to my (very valid) question

That's a blatant lie.

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Back to the point: Has Jan, in fact, confronted her "best friends"
about their supposed Satanic activities? [Jan thinks that people who
pray to saints {Catholics} are being led astray by Satan] I'd guess
not, since they (her Catholic "best friends"😉 would certainly cease to
want to have any association with a

lunatic that would hold such

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asinine views..

Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

You have been asked this before. While you are quick to say I don't respond to
questions, you yourself are guilty.

Do show us where in the bible God instructed people to pray to Saints

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Do post proof that St Jude is the head of lost causes.

NO answer from you.

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Instead, she answers with "It's in the archives", as if anyone will
dredge through her thousands of postings to see if she has ever
answered the question before.

If one knows how to do a search, it takes a few seconds.

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AFAIK, nobody has ever actually asked her this question before. If
she claims that she has been asked,

Nope, didn't claim that.

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and has answered, this question in
the past, I'll just assume she's lying

You assume wrong, as I don't lie.

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until she proves it by showing
the post(s) where this supposedly happened.

Look it up lazy.

Then answer the questions you didn't and couldn't answer.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 6/4/2004 3:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

why does it have to say it in the Bible?? which is written by man....who are
YOU to extrapolate that praying to saints comes from SAtan?? do you have
personal relationship with SAtan??

as Catholics we are/were taught to pray to saints AS WELL as the Lord...makes
sense to me...

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You assume wrong, as I don't lie.

no....we call it fabricating...same thing...

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Then answer the questions you didn't and couldn't answer.

Jan

sorta like how YOU have never answered MY questions about Valtrex????

cuz you have no clue...

hawki.....

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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

Do show where in the bible it says that Jan Drew has the right to pass
judgement about how other people pray.

--Rich

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 6/4/2004 1:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Other than you posting the results of one of your myriad of cleanses, was
there a point to this post?

No, Jan doesn't have a point with this post. She doesn't have a
response to my (very valid) question

That's a blatant lie.

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Back to the point: Has Jan, in fact, confronted her "best friends"
about their supposed Satanic activities? [Jan thinks that people who
pray to saints {Catholics} are being led astray by Satan] I'd guess
not, since they (her Catholic "best friends"😉 would certainly cease to
want to have any association with a

lunatic that would hold such

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asinine views..

Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

Show us where Catholic doctrine says to pray to saints.

It says that saints can be asked to intercede for us and that they
should be used as examples of how to live a Christian life, not that
they should be "prayed to."

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--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

Do show where in the bible it says that Jan Drew has the right to pass
judgement about how other people pray.

--Rich

Perhaps Jan will comment on those who pray aloud in church, prayer
meetings, Bible studies, even the family dinner table -- in light of
Jesus' instructions that the faithful should not be like the Pharisees
(praying in public), but instead should very privately talk to their
Father in heaven?

If praying to saints is of Satan because Christians weren't instructed
to do so in the Bible, praying aloud in the presence of others
(contrary to specific instructions from Jesus) must be straight from
the toxic bowels of Beelzebub as well.

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....a bunch of misdirecting gobbledygook.

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My answer to your question: As far as I know, there is nowhere in the
Bible that directly instructs people to pray to/through saints.

There. I've answered your question.

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Now, back to my question to you: Have you confronted your "best
friends" about their Satanic activities? I.E., the fact that "praying
to saints comes from Satan"?

Can you answer this question directly? I bet you won't. (Hint:
it'll be really easy to give a nice, low-bandwidth answer by typing
either "yes" or "no".)

Mark, MD

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

Do show where in the bible it says that Jan Drew has the right to pass
judgement about how other people pray.

--Rich

That whole parable where it says (paraphrased), "Judge not, lest you
be judged" seems to be beyond Our Lady Of Judgement's comprehension.

Mark, MD

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 6/5/2004 11:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

Do show where in the bible it says that Jan Drew has the right to pass
judgement about how other people pray.

--Rich

A bit twisted, and typical of the *gang*.I passed no judgement on anyone.

I am quoting God's word.

GOD told us how to pray and NOWHERE did he say to pray to Saints. This is a man
made rule. Perhaps you don't know that Satan works in strange ways and even
more so with Christians. He wants to lead them astray. Any practice that is not
God's instruction, is his goal.

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That whole parable where it says (paraphrased), "Judge not, lest you
be judged" seems to be beyond Our Lady Of Judgement's comprehension.

Mark, MD

You know this all started when Richard H Jacobson stated:

*In any case I will continue to pray to Saint Jude, patron saint of lost
causes, that something will happen that prevents Jan from posting in
thisnewsgroup since praying that she will change would take more than a
miracle.

Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe that
there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will beanswered. I am
patient.*

Aloha

Rich
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Now that's A OK, because Rich is part of the *gang*.

However as usual it got twisted.

Furthermore if anyone judges it is the *gang* and mostly Richard H Jacobson.
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Jan is an angry hateful vindictive person who would stop at no lengths
to make a person's life difficult. She has great difficulty letting go
of the past as exemplified by her repeating comments made YEARS ago
and obsessing about past events. Perhaps her health problems are
exacerbated by her anger and difficulty in letting go. It is truly
unfortunate.

Jan is a very sick woman. She likely suffers from some kind of
somatiform or psychotic disorder with somatic delusions.

It is painfully obvious that Jan is a
suggestible woman who developed delusional beliefs

But since Jan Drew is psychotic, and in denial she is unable to allow
for the possibility that her symptoms are due to psychologic factors.

Jan D., one of the most prolific and abusive posters in mha
is IMO a very seriously disturbed individual who is unable to accept
the fact that she has an illness (peripheral neuropathy) for which
there was no etiology (cause) found by conventional physicians.

Jan Drew is without a doubt IMO the most abusive poster in thisnewsgroup bar
none.
I can assure you that she is NOT a weak person. Crazy? Yes.

Aloha Rich
===

Then in the next breath Rich posts the *judge not*

Now, here is God's word.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
Jesus..." 1 Timothy 2:1-5

Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you" (Jn. 16:23

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 6/5/2004 11:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote...

...a bunch of misdirecting gobbledygook.

hmmmm, you sem to be interested in EVERY word I say. This fulfills your hobby.

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My answer to your question: As far as I know, there is nowhere in the
Bible that directly instructs people to pray to/through saints.

There. I've answered your question.

That's one. Thank you.

Therefore praying to Saints is a man made rule.

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Now, back to my question to you: Have you confronted your "best
friends" about their Satanic activities?

I.E., the fact that "praying

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to saints comes from Satan"?

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Can you answer this question directly?

I have posted the answer to this question.

LOOK IT UP!!

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I bet you won't. (Hint:
it'll be really easy to give a nice, low-bandwidth answer by typing
either "yes" or "no".)

Mark, MD

Hint: You only answer one question, there were two.

Do show us where St Jude is patron of lost causes.

Then tell us what you think of Rich's post, where he is praying that something
will happen to me.

Furthermore, YOU don't make the rules of HOW I post.

Care to comment on this??

In any case I will continue to pray to Saint Jude, patron saint of lost causes,
that something will happen that prevents Jan from posting in thisnewsgroup
since praying that she will change would take more than a miracle.

Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe that
there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will beanswered. I am
patient.

Aloha

Rich

I didn't think so.

Jan

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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

The Bible does not have a monopoly on how people can get closer to God.

Roger

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (DappleAndWasser)
Date: 6/5/2004 3:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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Do show where in the bible people were instructed to pray to Saints.

The Bible does not have a monopoly on how people can get closer to God.

Roger

God does. He instructed us how to pray.

Jesus, his son is the mediator in prayer.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark MD's Hobby
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 6/5/2004 4:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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God does. He instructed us how to pray.

hmmmm....did he call you on the phone with such instructions???

hawki.....

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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The Bible does not have a monopoly on how people can get closer to God.

Roger

God does. He instructed us how to pray.

Jesus, his son is the mediator in prayer.

Jan

Your arrogance is showing. Any Muslim or Hindu could say exactly the
same thing, believe it just as strongly, and be benefitted just as
much.

On 6 Jun 2004 08:27:01 -0700, [email hidden]

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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The Bible does not have a monopoly on how people can get closer to God.

Roger

God does. He instructed us how to pray.

Jesus, his son is the mediator in prayer.

Jan

Your arrogance is showing. Any Muslim or Hindu could say exactly the
same thing, believe it just as strongly, and be benefitted just as
much.

Jan thinks that those who don't pray to Jesus are led by Satan. Sad
that. Jan thinks that those who don't agree with her are liars. Sad
that. Actually the truth is that Jan does *not* think.

Aloha,

Rich

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(Jan) said:

God's word is not ignorance.

I repeat:

That is insane.

More about the seeder of hatred, Jan Drew :

http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

To fall for the lies of Jan Drew can be a terrible risk for the life
of you and your children.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Aktion "Hilfe für Florian und andere"
Gemeinsam gegen Leukämie

http://www.kinderkrebshilfe-ophoven.de/docs/typisfly2004.htm