Please help with starting raw vegan diet

(Ann) said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years, but, it hasn't been for health
reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds promising,
and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health problems
too, but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many?

Why do you think that eating exclusively fruits and vegetables is
going to help with your health problems??? It is important to get
adequate amounts of protein and good fat in your diet and this may be
a problem if you limit intake to only fruits and vegetables. I know of
no scientific evidence that such a diet is healthy or will help
specific health problems.

Quoted message said:

Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should they be
organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

Eating lots of fruits and vegetables is likely good for you. If you
can get organic then all the better. Always wash your fruits and
vegetables with fresh water. But remember to eat enough protein and
good fats.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the "Master Cleanse"
and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic systemic candida
infection -- what do I do first?

What makes you think you have chronic systemic candidiasis?? Who made
the diagnosis and how was the diagnosis made?? Systemic candida is
usually seen in immunocompomised individuals. Systemic candida is
often falsely diagnosed by alternative medicine practitioners. Proper
treatment always starts with proper diagnosis.

Quoted message said:

Can I do the cleanse and start the
treatment at the same time?

I question the health benefits of anything that you are considering.

I recommend first validating the diagnosis by seeing a qualified
health professional. Find out on what basis the diagnosis was made.

I suggest you get a balanced diet with whole grains, fruits,
vegetables and adequate protein and good fats while avoiding consuming
too many calories. Also, unless you have a medical contraindication,
to get exercise (strength, endurance and flexibility training).

Quoted message said:

Please help!!

Do you notice that you often worry excessively about your health??

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

Ann

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

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Ann said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the "Master Cleanse"
and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic systemic candida
infection -- what do I do first? Can I do the cleanse and start the
treatment at the same time?

I would strongly advise you to avoid the candida treatments at all.

Although there most certainly is a disease called "systemic
candidiasis" which is awful and can be fatal, it's also quite
unmistakeable and usually found only in immunocompromised persons.

A trip to your doctor to find out whether you really have any sort of
candida problem would be much more appropriate.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Ann said:

I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because
I'm bumbling it.

But how can anyone help you when you haven't told us
even the most basic information about your particular
health conditions? For example, you haven't mentioned
your blood type. What's right for a type O is completely
different from what is needed by an AB. Type O in general
are people descended from agrarian farmers, and for them
a high-carb, grain-based diet is near optimal. On the other
hand, type AB are people descended from hunters and
fishermen, so a high-protein diet rich in fish oils is usually
best. Type A should be eating lots of tomatoes, garlic, pasta
and olive oil, while type B are shiftless people of no account
who are best avoided.

Also, it is not possible to make blanket recommendations
based just on general factors without taking into account
your unique personal traits. For example, a squat, swarthy
type O is much more like a type A, and would benefit from
a diet which includes type A foods -- in this case replacing
the bread-and-butter diet of a typical type O with more
olive oil and pasta. You can't expect to get these personal
dietary recommendations through the Internet. You need
to consult with a professional iridologist specializing in
nutritional profiling. And of course, because of the
depletion of agricultural soils by a century of chemical
farming, you'll need dietary supplements containing essential
nutrients such as tecnazene and quintozene.

Right now, you're completely adrift. If you don't get help
right away, you could be setting yourself up for a lifetime
of malaise, low-energy, and chronic pain. For all you
know, the root cause of your problems could be unrelated
to diet -- you might have an electrical imbalance or you
could be poisoned by a magnetic field. Have you tried
reversing the direction in which you sleep, for example,
so that your head is toward the north (if it was toward
the south)? There are so many factors involved that
no one person could be expected to be familiar with all
of them. At the least, you'll need comprehensive diagnosis
by a board-certified iridologist, chiropractor, and
homeopathic physician. Even then, you'll need to treat
their advice with caution, because of the variable quality
of alternative medical education in this country. The
average chiropractor only gets ONE HOUR of course
study in iridology in his/her educational curriculum! Can
you believe it! It's a scandal, I tell ya. Hope this helps :-)

[email hidden] (Ann) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years, but, it hasn't been for health
reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds promising,
and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health problems
too, but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many? Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should they be
organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

You might want to take a look at Tom Billings' site,
http://www.beyondveg.com, for a discussion of some of the pitfalls of raw
vegan, particularly fruitarian, diets (Billings is a vegetarian who used to
be a raw vegan).

"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years,

=======
But I see it's really all about 'looks' and 'feelinge' as evidenced by your
usenet posting. Not eating animals is not the same as not causing their
death and suffering. Afterall, usenet is not cruelty-free, but here you
are...

but, it hasn't been for health

Quoted message said:

reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds promising,
and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health problems
too, but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many? Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should they be
organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the "Master Cleanse"
and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic systemic candida
infection -- what do I do first? Can I do the cleanse and start the
treatment at the same time?

Please help!!

Ann

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Subject: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: [email hidden] (Ann)
Date: 6/5/2004 11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years, but, it hasn't been for health
reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds promising,
and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health problems
too, but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many? Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should they be
organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the "Master Cleanse"
and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic systemic candida
infection -- what do I do first? Can I do the cleanse and start the
treatment at the same time?

Please help!!

Ann

You can do your own research. You will also be questioned and the badgering
will begin, because the *gang* also denies candida and doing any cleansing.

See a good alternative practitioner. Your questions wil be answered.

As for cleaning fruits and veggies, soak in hot water for one minute, no
longer, drain and wipe with paper towel, repeat a second time.

I can tell you I have been on the South Beach diet for about a month. NO SUGAR
does wonders for the body.

Good Luck, and ignore the many questions as you will be put on trial here by
the *gang* who could care less about YOU, they just have an insane need to be
right.

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 6/5/2004 12:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Right on CUE.

DENIAL.

See your doctor.

ALL WRONG ADVICE.

Please understand the *gang* is a part of organized medicine who deny most all
alternative.

Jan

<snip bad advice form David Wright, *gang* member.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 6/5/2004 2:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Ann) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years, but, it hasn't been for health
reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds promising,
and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health problems
too, but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many? Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should they be
organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

You might want to take a look at Tom Billings' site,
http://www.beyondveg.com, for a discussion of some of the pitfalls of raw
vegan, particularly fruitarian, diets (Billings is a vegetarian who used to
be a raw vegan).

Or you might want to take a look at this.

http://www.hacres.com/

Jan

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ann said:

I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because
I'm bumbling it.

But how can anyone help you when you haven't told us
even the most basic information about your particular
health conditions? For example, you haven't mentioned
your blood type. What's right for a type O is completely
different from what is needed by an AB. Type O in general
are people descended from agrarian farmers, and for them
a high-carb, grain-based diet is near optimal. On the other
hand, type AB are people descended from hunters and
fishermen, so a high-protein diet rich in fish oils is usually
best. Type A should be eating lots of tomatoes, garlic, pasta
and olive oil, while type B are shiftless people of no account
who are best avoided.

There's no evidence whatsoever for that "eat right for your type" BS.

quackwatch.orgd'adamo.htmlOpen ↗

Please stop peddling snake oil.

Quoted message said:

Also, it is not possible to make blanket recommendations
based just on general factors without taking into account
your unique personal traits. For example, a squat, swarthy
type O is much more like a type A, and would benefit from
a diet which includes type A foods -- in this case replacing
the bread-and-butter diet of a typical type O with more
olive oil and pasta. You can't expect to get these personal
dietary recommendations through the Internet. You need
to consult with a professional iridologist specializing in
nutritional profiling. And of course, because of the
depletion of agricultural soils by a century of chemical
farming, you'll need dietary supplements containing essential
nutrients such as tecnazene and quintozene.

Iridology is also a load of complete and utter [censored].

http://skepdic.com/iridol.html

Do you want to help this guy or make him go broke giving all his money to
money grubbing con artists?

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Right now, you're completely adrift.

And you're not helping one bit.

Quoted message said:

If you don't get help
right away, you could be setting yourself up for a lifetime
of malaise, low-energy, and chronic pain. For all you
know, the root cause of your problems could be unrelated
to diet -- you might have an electrical imbalance or you
could be poisoned by a magnetic field.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call Alex Chiu to the Emergency room, call Alex Chiu!
STAT!

Quoted message said:

Have you tried
reversing the direction in which you sleep, for example,
so that your head is toward the north (if it was toward
the south)? There are so many factors involved that
no one person could be expected to be familiar with all
of them. At the least, you'll need comprehensive diagnosis
by a board-certified iridologist,

Quack

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chiropractor,

Quack

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and
homeopathic physician.

Homeopathy is the worst of all. The dilutions are so great, often times,
that not a single molecule of the so called therapeutic ingredient is left
in a dose. Ever hear of Avogadro's number?

Quoted message said:

Even then, you'll need to treat
their advice with caution, because of the variable quality
of alternative medical education in this country.

How about he go to a doctor who has had scientific training and
evidence-based methodologies?

Quoted message said:

The
average chiropractor only gets ONE HOUR of course
study in iridology in his/her educational curriculum! Can
you believe it! It's a scandal, I tell ya. Hope this helps :-)

Chiropractic and Iridology are both scams and the fact that you idiots have
duped so many people into forking over the dough for them is a scandal!

-Rubystars

"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years, but, it hasn't been for health
reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary >things.

Carbs are good for you, as part of a balanced diet. Just cut down on the
sugary things.

Quoted message said:

I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time.

What you eat really doesn't have as much effect on acne as some people
think. It should only hurt you if you have an allergy to one particular
food.

http://www.skincarephysicians.com/acnenet/myths.html

"Myth #2: Acne is caused by diet. Extensive scientific studies have not
found a connection between diet and acne. In other words, food does not
cause acne. Not chocolate. Not french fries. Not pizza. Nonetheless, some
people insist that certain foods affect their acne. In that case, avoid
those foods. Besides, eating a balanced diet always makes sense. However,
according to the scientific evidence, if acne is being treated properly,
there's no need to worry about food affecting the acne."

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It sounds promising,

Don't bother.

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and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health >problems
too,

Ask a doctor (a mainstream one) what to do about improving your health. See
a real dermatologist about your acne.

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but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding >*more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping >because I'm
bumbling it.

Then stay far far away from "Alternative" practitioners. Whoever told you to
go on a strict diet to avoid acne has probably completely ignored the
scientific studies which have shown little to no linkage between acne and
diet.

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Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many?

Why the heck are you getting medical advice on a newsgroup anyway? If
someone told you to go on a strict diet of sour cherries and plain eggplant,
would you do it? Where does the madness end? I'm not saying you're mad, just
that you need to take more of a common sense approach to these things.

Diets can improve heatlh sometimes, but it seems like you're obssessing too
much about what you eat and not giving enough energy toward other, more
important things.

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Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store?

There's no really substantial health benefits regarding organic vs.
non-organic, so don't pay the extra money.

Quoted message said:

Should they be
organic?

Unecessary.

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How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

Don't drink peroxide! It can be very dangerous and eat away things.
Surprisingly a lot of pseudoscientists including Kent Hovind are promoting
this, but it's really quite dangerous.

"Hydrogen peroxide is being promoted as a "cure-all" by several small
nonmedical organizations.
These organizations claim that hydrogen peroxide can cure a variety of
ailments including cancer, AIDS, and arthritis. However, use of hydrogen
peroxide for these purposes has resulted in deaths and serious injuries. "

http://www.h2o2.com/h2o2update/pgarticles/human.html

Just wash with water.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the >"Master Cleanse"

Why do you feel a need to do that?

Quoted message said:

and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic >systemic candida
infection -- what do I do first?

You must have a really weak immune system if you have that! You'd better get
a second opinion before you try to treat something you probably don't even
have.

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Can I do the cleanse and start the
treatment at the same time?

Do neither. Ask a doctor, a REAL doctor who went to medical school.

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Please help!!

I'm doing the best I can, please listen to what I've told you and don't put
your health or pocketbook at risk any longer by accepting faux advice and
faux treatments from a bunch of pseudoscientists.

-Rubystars

Mark is an idiot that mouths off about things he/she has no knowledge of.
Never studied, never used, never known anyone who has.
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-Rubystars

This looked like a troll post, so, Snippity snip

Ann said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything with any
animal products for about five years, but, it hasn't been for health
reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet includes
lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat
an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds promising,
and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other health problems
too, but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many? Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should they be
organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking
non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

Firstly, I'd do more in the way of nonprocessed, whole grain carbs and
cut back on sugary stuff. I eat a mostly vegetarian diet (ovo-lacto,
with occasional fish and poultry still) and notice a big difference when
having less-processed grains; whole grain breads, pastas, cereals, that
type of thing. They also taste better to me. Secondly, as for raw
fruits and veggies...just add them to your current diet instead of
switching completely. As good as raw fruits and veggies are, I know I'd
miss a good barley stew <g> I prefer to buy organic when I can, as
they just taste better to me, but that depends on the individual. Just
wash them under running water and you should be fine.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the "Master Cleanse"
and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic systemic candida
infection -- what do I do first? Can I do the cleanse and start the
treatment at the same time?

I'm gonna reiterate what others have already said. Systemic candida is
a sign of a compromised immune system, so I'd see an MD (it takes a lot
for me to see any doctor) to confirm the diagnosis before doing
anything. If, indeed, it is systemic candida you need to find out why
you have it.

Good luck!!

Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

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Rubystars said:

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ann said:

I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because
I'm bumbling it.

But how can anyone help you when you haven't told us
even the most basic information about your particular
health conditions? For example, you haven't mentioned
your blood type. What's right for a type O is completely
different from what is needed by an AB. Type O in general
are people descended from agrarian farmers, and for them
a high-carb, grain-based diet is near optimal. On the other
hand, type AB are people descended from hunters and
fishermen, so a high-protein diet rich in fish oils is usually
best. Type A should be eating lots of tomatoes, garlic, pasta
and olive oil, while type B are shiftless people of no account
who are best avoided.

There's no evidence whatsoever for that "eat right for your type" BS.

quackwatch.orgd'adamo.htmlOpen ↗

Please stop peddling snake oil.

So, Mark, do you practice "catch and release" or what?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)