Re: Do you eat raw meat and how do you prepare it?

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In Italy, mostly in Piemonte, we use to eat raw meat (as entrée) in this
ways:
1) Very thin slices of veal seasoned with EVOO, lemon juice, salt, black
pepper and flackes of Reggiano cheese. All this, over a bed of fresh
rocket salad. YUM YUM!!!!
2) Another way is the so called " carne all'albese" (= albese meat).
Thin slices of veal, lemon, salt, pepper and flackes of white truffle.
If you are poor (white Truffle costs so much...), you can replace white
truffle with some fresh Boletus (Porcino) mushrooms slices or some black
truffle which is much more cheap.
It is called "Albese" because Alba is a little piedmontese country ,
famous all over the worl for his truffles. They have made Truffle
festival, just a week ago. they made a public auction to sell truffles. It
was sold a white truffle for ? 400! Most of the buyer were restaurateur!
Cheers
Pandora

Yes, I do eat raw meat on occasion, Beef, unless I'm eating Sashimi at a
Japanese establishment. ;-)

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

Yum!
--
Om.

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In Italy, mostly in Piemonte, we use to eat raw meat (as entrée) in
this
ways:
1) Very thin slices of veal seasoned with EVOO, lemon juice, salt,
black
pepper and flackes of Reggiano cheese. All this, over a bed of fresh
rocket salad. YUM YUM!!!!
2) Another way is the so called " carne all'albese" (= albese meat).
Thin slices of veal, lemon, salt, pepper and flackes of white truffle.
If you are poor (white Truffle costs so much...), you can replace white
truffle with some fresh Boletus (Porcino) mushrooms slices or some
black
truffle which is much more cheap.
It is called "Albese" because Alba is a little piedmontese country ,
famous all over the worl for his truffles. They have made Truffle
festival, just a week ago. they made a public auction to sell truffles.
It
was sold a white truffle for ? 400! Most of the buyer were
restaurateur!
Cheers
Pandora

Yes, I do eat raw meat on occasion, Beef, unless I'm eating Sashimi at a
Japanese establishment. ;-)

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

Isn't it dangerous to eat raw eggs?
Pandora

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

I 've forgotten to say that we also eat chopped raw meat (like a raw
hamburger of veal meat) with a raw eggyolk, too. This way is called "Carne
alla tartara", tartare meat.
However, I'm a little afraid to eat raw eggs because of salmonella.
Cheers
Pandora

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Yum!
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Om.

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Nicholson

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> In Italy, mostly in Piemonte, we use to eat raw meat (as entrée) in
> this
> ways:
> 1) Very thin slices of veal seasoned with EVOO, lemon juice, salt,
> black
> pepper and flackes of Reggiano cheese. All this, over a bed of fresh
> rocket salad. YUM YUM!!!!
> 2) Another way is the so called " carne all'albese" (= albese meat).
> Thin slices of veal, lemon, salt, pepper and flackes of white truffle.
> If you are poor (white Truffle costs so much...), you can replace white
> truffle with some fresh Boletus (Porcino) mushrooms slices or some
> black
> truffle which is much more cheap.
> It is called "Albese" because Alba is a little piedmontese country ,
> famous all over the worl for his truffles. They have made Truffle
> festival, just a week ago. they made a public auction to sell truffles.
> It
> was sold a white truffle for ? 400! Most of the buyer were
> restaurateur!
> Cheers
> Pandora
>
>

Yes, I do eat raw meat on occasion, Beef, unless I'm eating Sashimi at a
Japanese establishment. ;-)

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

Isn't it dangerous to eat raw eggs?
Pandora

Theoretically...

I love egg yolks raw or runny and I've eaten dozens of raw or minimally
cooked eggs over the years and only gotten sick once, and that was from
foolishly eating a "suspect" egg. My fault for getting careless!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Pandora said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

I 've forgotten to say that we also eat chopped raw meat (like a raw
hamburger of veal meat) with a raw eggyolk, too. This way is called "Carne
alla tartara", tartare meat.
However, I'm a little afraid to eat raw eggs because of salmonella.
Cheers
Pandora

Otherwise commonly known as "steak tartar".

I personally feel that the dangers of raw eggs are over-rated if common
sense and cleanliness are used in their preparation.

IMHO raw eggs should be eaten right away once they are broken! If they
sit at room temperature for a couple of hours, that allows the bad
critters to multiply.

The safety secret with any raw food is freshness and sanitation!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

I absolutely love raw meat, and have passed that taste on to my kids.
I love steak tartare (but a different recipe than the usual one),
carpaccio (several versions), Thai beef salad.... I love raw fish too,
BTW

Nathalie in Switzerland, crudivore

Pandora said:

I 've forgotten to say that we also eat chopped raw meat (like a raw
hamburger of veal meat) with a raw eggyolk, too. This way is called "Carne
alla tartara", tartare meat.
However, I'm a little afraid to eat raw eggs because of salmonella.

A couple things here.

First, if you believe what the American Egg Board says then the
chances of getting a salmonella infected egg are pretty low.
They claim it's about 1 in 20,000. It may be different in
other countries but that gives you an idea of the risk in
order of magnitude terms.

http://www.aeb.org/LearnMore/EggSafety.htm

Next, it's possible to buy sterilized eggs, at least in the US.
Maybe they're available in your area too.

You can also sterilize egg yolks yourself. Heat them to 150 F (66 C)
and hold them at that temperature for at least one minute while
stirring, then cool them. I find that amount of heat does thicken
them slightly but it hasn't been a problem for me.

Good luck and enjoy your eggs.

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> > In Italy, mostly in Piemonte, we use to eat raw meat (as entrée) in
> > this
> > ways:
> > 1) Very thin slices of veal seasoned with EVOO, lemon juice, salt,
> > black
> > pepper and flackes of Reggiano cheese. All this, over a bed of
> > fresh
> > rocket salad. YUM YUM!!!!
> > 2) Another way is the so called " carne all'albese" (= albese meat).
> > Thin slices of veal, lemon, salt, pepper and flackes of white
> > truffle.
> > If you are poor (white Truffle costs so much...), you can replace
> > white
> > truffle with some fresh Boletus (Porcino) mushrooms slices or some
> > black
> > truffle which is much more cheap.
> > It is called "Albese" because Alba is a little piedmontese country ,
> > famous all over the worl for his truffles. They have made Truffle
> > festival, just a week ago. they made a public auction to sell
> > truffles.
> > It
> > was sold a white truffle for ? 400! Most of the buyer were
> > restaurateur!
> > Cheers
> > Pandora
> >
> >
>
>

Yes, I do eat raw meat on occasion, Beef, unless I'm eating Sashimi at
a
Japanese establishment. ;-)

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

Isn't it dangerous to eat raw eggs?
Pandora

Theoretically...

I love egg yolks raw or runny and I've eaten dozens of raw or minimally
cooked eggs over the years and only gotten sick once, and that was from
foolishly eating a "suspect" egg. My fault for getting careless!

I thought you had chickens 🙂
I like raw eggyolks too!
Pandora

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Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

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Pandora said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
Salt to taste as needed.

I 've forgotten to say that we also eat chopped raw meat (like a raw
hamburger of veal meat) with a raw eggyolk, too. This way is called
"Carne
alla tartara", tartare meat.
However, I'm a little afraid to eat raw eggs because of salmonella.
Cheers
Pandora

Otherwise commonly known as "steak tartar".

O yes!

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I personally feel that the dangers of raw eggs are over-rated if common
sense and cleanliness are used in their preparation.

They should pay attention to egg shells!

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IMHO raw eggs should be eaten right away once they are broken! If they
sit at room temperature for a couple of hours, that allows the bad
critters to multiply.

oh yes! You are right!

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The safety secret with any raw food is freshness and sanitation!

it's true!
Pandora

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Om.

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Nicholson

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I absolutely love raw meat, and have passed that taste on to my kids.
I love steak tartare (but a different recipe than the usual one),
carpaccio (several versions), Thai beef salad.... I love raw fish too,
BTW

Nathalie in Switzerland, crudivore

ohhh! Good! But eat raw fish is not so igienic 🙂
And how do you make your steack tartare?
Pandora

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Pandora said:

I 've forgotten to say that we also eat chopped raw meat (like a raw
hamburger of veal meat) with a raw eggyolk, too. This way is called
"Carne alla tartara", tartare meat.
However, I'm a little afraid to eat raw eggs because of salmonella.

A couple things here.

First, if you believe what the American Egg Board says then the
chances of getting a salmonella infected egg are pretty low.
They claim it's about 1 in 20,000. It may be different in
other countries but that gives you an idea of the risk in
order of magnitude terms.

http://www.aeb.org/LearnMore/EggSafety.htm

here the percentage is a little higher...

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Next, it's possible to buy sterilized eggs, at least in the US.
Maybe they're available in your area too.

I've never heard of this , here in Italy. We only have the so called "eggs
to drink" (is written on the box) but they are not sterilized. they are only
fresh of the day.

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You can also sterilize egg yolks yourself. Heat them to 150 F (66 C)
and hold them at that temperature for at least one minute while
stirring, then cool them. I find that amount of heat does thicken
them slightly but it hasn't been a problem for me.

This is a good idea!!!! Thank you! i didn't know this.

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Good luck and enjoy your eggs.

Thank you, but without "Good luck", I would feel better 🙂
Cheers
Pandora

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> "Pandora" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "Pandora" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>> > In Italy, mostly in Piemonte, we use to eat raw meat (as entrée) in
>> > this
>> > ways:
>> > 1) Very thin slices of veal seasoned with EVOO, lemon juice, salt,
>> > black
>> > pepper and flackes of Reggiano cheese. All this, over a bed of
>> > fresh
>> > rocket salad. YUM YUM!!!!
>> > 2) Another way is the so called " carne all'albese" (= albese meat).
>> > Thin slices of veal, lemon, salt, pepper and flackes of white
>> > truffle.
>> > If you are poor (white Truffle costs so much...), you can replace
>> > white
>> > truffle with some fresh Boletus (Porcino) mushrooms slices or some
>> > black
>> > truffle which is much more cheap.
>> > It is called "Albese" because Alba is a little piedmontese country ,
>> > famous all over the worl for his truffles. They have made Truffle
>> > festival, just a week ago. they made a public auction to sell
>> > truffles.
>> > It
>> > was sold a white truffle for ? 400! Most of the buyer were
>> > restaurateur!
>> > Cheers
>> > Pandora
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I do eat raw meat on occasion, Beef, unless I'm eating Sashimi at
> a
> Japanese establishment. ;-)
>
> I find the leanest beef I can, (usually rump or shoulder) and trim any
> remaining fat off. I cut it into small cubes and toss it with a bit of
> Bragg's liquid aminos (unfermented soy sauce). I then serve it with
> either a raw eggyolk dip or hot melted butter, depending on my mood.
> Salt to taste as needed.

Isn't it dangerous to eat raw eggs?
Pandora

Theoretically...

I love egg yolks raw or runny and I've eaten dozens of raw or minimally
cooked eggs over the years and only gotten sick once, and that was from
foolishly eating a "suspect" egg. My fault for getting careless!

I thought you had chickens 🙂
I like raw eggyolks too!
Pandora

I do have chickens... ;-)

Here is the story.
I was on a raw egg kick. I soak my eggs in a 10% bleach solution to
disinfect the shells prior to breaking them for eating. If _I_ find an
egg in a nest that is cracked, I toss it to the chickens! Sometimes eggs
get damaged during the washing process. I don't usually destroy those.

My dad also collects the eggs and his eyesite is not as good as mine.

I ate a cracked egg that looked a bit "odd", but it still smelled and
tasted fine. I assumed it had been damaged after being collected.

Bad move. 6 hours later, cramps, etc. After not being able to keep
anything but water down for 3 days, I finally went to the ER. My co-pay
is only $75.00 but not everyone has health insurance!

I had Salmonella. :-P It was not fun, but it's not scared me away from
eating raw eggs either. Just no more carelessness!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Pandora said:

They should pay attention to egg shells!

Eggzactly! ;-)
That was the mistake I made.....

Salmonella infected eggs don't smell or taste "off".
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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You can also sterilize egg yolks yourself. Heat them to 150 F (66 C)
and hold them at that temperature for at least one minute while
stirring, then cool them. I find that amount of heat does thicken
them slightly but it hasn't been a problem for me.

This is a good idea!!!! Thank you! i didn't know this.

Yes, this is the method that I've settled on, especially
when cooking for others. It's detailed in a book you might
enjoy called "Cookwise" by Shirley Corriher.

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Good luck and enjoy your eggs.

Thank you, but without "Good luck", I would feel better 🙂

Ah well, I'm sure with your skills you won't need luck 🙂

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Pandora said:

I thought you had chickens 🙂
I like raw eggyolks too!
Pandora

I do have chickens... ;-)

Ohhh! I had chicken too! Many years ago!

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Here is the story.
I was on a raw egg kick. I soak my eggs in a 10% bleach solution to
disinfect the shells prior to breaking them for eating. If _I_ find an
egg in a nest that is cracked, I toss it to the chickens! Sometimes eggs
get damaged during the washing process. I don't usually destroy those.

My dad also collects the eggs and his eyesite is not as good as mine.

I ate a cracked egg that looked a bit "odd", but it still smelled and
tasted fine. I assumed it had been damaged after being collected.

Bad move. 6 hours later, cramps, etc. After not being able to keep
anything but water down for 3 days, I finally went to the ER. My co-pay
is only $75.00 but not everyone has health insurance!

I had Salmonella. :-P It was not fun, but it's not scared me away from
eating raw eggs either. Just no more carelessness!

Nooooo! Unbelievable! Beautiful to know that you are still alive!
How do they treated you?
Cheers
Pandora

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Cheers!
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Om.

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Pandora said:

They should pay attention to egg shells!

Eggzactly! ;-)

Nice this new word 🙂

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That was the mistake I made.....

Salmonella infected eggs don't smell or taste "off".

yes! But I wonder if only shell eggs can be infected. Or also yolks if the
shell touch the first?
Pandora

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You can also sterilize egg yolks yourself. Heat them to 150 F (66 C)
and hold them at that temperature for at least one minute while
stirring, then cool them. I find that amount of heat does thicken
them slightly but it hasn't been a problem for me.

This is a good idea!!!! Thank you! i didn't know this.

Yes, this is the method that I've settled on, especially
when cooking for others. It's detailed in a book you might
enjoy called "Cookwise" by Shirley Corriher.

Is it sure at 100% ? Or there is a far possibility...

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Good luck and enjoy your eggs.

Thank you, but without "Good luck", I would feel better 🙂

Ah well, I'm sure with your skills you won't need luck 🙂

🙂)) Thank you. I'll do my best! 🙂)))
Pandora

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Pandora said:

I 've forgotten to say that we also eat chopped raw meat (like a raw
hamburger of veal meat) with a raw eggyolk, too. This way is called
"Carne alla tartara", tartare meat.
However, I'm a little afraid to eat raw eggs because of salmonella.

A couple things here.

First, if you believe what the American Egg Board says then the
chances of getting a salmonella infected egg are pretty low.
They claim it's about 1 in 20,000. It may be different in
other countries but that gives you an idea of the risk in
order of magnitude terms.

http://www.aeb.org/LearnMore/EggSafety.htm

here the percentage is a little higher...

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Next, it's possible to buy sterilized eggs, at least in the US.
Maybe they're available in your area too.

I've never heard of this , here in Italy. We only have the so called "eggs
to drink" (is written on the box) but they are not sterilized. they are
only fresh of the day.

Quoted message said:

You can also sterilize egg yolks yourself. Heat them to 150 F (66 C)
and hold them at that temperature for at least one minute while
stirring, then cool them. I find that amount of heat does thicken
them slightly but it hasn't been a problem for me.

I'm trying to envision myself heating 3 egg yolks to 150 to include in a
chocolate mousse that I will put into a food processor. By the time my
thermometer comes up to point, they will be only approx 150 - gotta get me a
quicker thermometer -- BUT, can you give me advice as to how best, quickest
and without scrambling these eggs, I can heat them to 150. If I put them in
the microwave, they will just keep on cooking.
Thanks so much.
Dee Dee

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I thought you had chickens 🙂
I like raw eggyolks too!
Pandora

I do have chickens... ;-)

Ohhh! I had chicken too! Many years ago!

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Here is the story.
I was on a raw egg kick. I soak my eggs in a 10% bleach solution to
disinfect the shells prior to breaking them for eating. If _I_ find an
egg in a nest that is cracked, I toss it to the chickens! Sometimes eggs
get damaged during the washing process. I don't usually destroy those.

My dad also collects the eggs and his eyesite is not as good as mine.

I ate a cracked egg that looked a bit "odd", but it still smelled and
tasted fine. I assumed it had been damaged after being collected.

Bad move. 6 hours later, cramps, etc. After not being able to keep
anything but water down for 3 days, I finally went to the ER. My co-pay
is only $75.00 but not everyone has health insurance!

I had Salmonella. :-P It was not fun, but it's not scared me away from
eating raw eggs either. Just no more carelessness!

Nooooo! Unbelievable! Beautiful to know that you are still alive!
How do they treated you?
Cheers
Pandora

Initial IV antibiotics, and an oral prescription.
I was not hospitalized, just stayed home from work for a couple of days.
;-) Lost 12 lbs. but I could afford to lose it. <lol>

Salmonella is not really all that deadly for a reasonably healthy middle
aged woman like myself! It's just not a lot of fun......

On the other hand, the IV Demerol was a LOT of fun. <G>
The only bright point in the whole experience!
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Om.

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