Still Alive and JUICING!!!! :D

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY
Lean
and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
much.

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

Good to hear from you!

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY

Lean

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and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very

much.

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Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

WOW.....glad to see you are alive and healthy!

Lester

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY
Lean
and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
much.

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at 90#?

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY
Lean
and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
much.

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at

90#?

Or he's only been eating 1500 calories a day.

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY
Lean
and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
much.

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at

90#?

Or he's only been eating 1500 calories a day.

That's a possibility that I had not thought of. So he's stupid. LOL

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY

Lean

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and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very

much.

Quoted message said:

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

WOW.....glad to see you are alive and healthy!

Lester

Thanks Leste! Nice to see you still here too. 😄

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
VERY Lean
and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
much.

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

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> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see
> some old
> Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
> Arnold..
>
> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
> VERY Lean
> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you
> very much.
>
> Roids RULZ!
>
> Van Der
> the "juice pig"
>
You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out
at

90#?

Or he's only been eating 1500 calories a day.

That's a possibility that I had not thought of. So he's stupid. LOL

I'm 5'7" BTW.

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
VERY Lean
and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
much.

Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can not
imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

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> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
> Arnold..
>
> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
> VERY Lean
> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
> much.
>
> Roids RULZ!
>
> Van Der
> the "juice pig"
>
You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can not
imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

210 lbs. at, say, 7% bodyfat looks a lot more impressive than you
probably think. Check out the competiton weights for the Mr. Olympia.
Except Ronnie Coleman. That guy's a freak.

Steroids can be used for getting as ripped as humanly possible, as
well as as huge as humanly possible, though save for competitive
bodybuilders the vast majoirty will use them for the latter.

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> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
> Arnold..
>
> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
> VERY Lean
> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
> much.
>
> Roids RULZ!
>
> Van Der
> the "juice pig"
>
You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can

not

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imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

The real illuminating fact is not that he's *only* 210#, but that he only
gained 34#'s in FIVE years! Hell, that's less than a 7#/yr average gain!!!
And he had to juice to do that? Of course he then goes on to say how he's a
"HARDGAINER" which helps explain a lot about how much of an idiot he is. I
used to think I was a hardgainer until I started to eat more!

With the right routine and diet this guy could have gained more WITHOUT
steriods.

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> "Van Der" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
>> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
>> Arnold..
>>
>> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
>> VERY Lean
>> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
>> much.
>>
>> Roids RULZ!
>>
>> Van Der
>> the "juice pig"
>>
> You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
> 90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can

not

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imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

The real illuminating fact is not that he's *only* 210#, but that he only
gained 34#'s in FIVE years! Hell, that's less than a 7#/yr average gain!!!
And he had to juice to do that? Of course he then goes on to say how he's a
"HARDGAINER" which helps explain a lot about how much of an idiot he is. I
used to think I was a hardgainer until I started to eat more!

With the right routine and diet this guy could have gained more WITHOUT
steriods.

I don't know how you can make that statement.

Arnold won the Mr. Olympia weighing 215# - that was after using juice
for years. I doubt anyone would say he was anything but huge.

210# doesn't really convey enough information about Van Der's condition
and conveys nothing about his genetic potential.

Or how hard he trains, etc. Often juice is simply a shortcut for lazy
people. OTOH, Schuh was ripped to shreds at 210# and pretty big and he
was a hard trainer.

--
Keith

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> "Van Der" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
>> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
>> Arnold..
>>
>> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
>> VERY Lean
>> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
>> much.
>>
>> Roids RULZ!
>>
>> Van Der
>> the "juice pig"
>>
> You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
> 90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand
never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can

not

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imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

The real illuminating fact is not that he's *only* 210#, but that he only
gained 34#'s in FIVE years! Hell, that's less than a 7#/yr average
gain!!!
And he had to juice to do that? Of course he then goes on to say how he's
a
"HARDGAINER" which helps explain a lot about how much of an idiot he is.
I
used to think I was a hardgainer until I started to eat more!

With the right routine and diet this guy could have gained more WITHOUT
steriods.

Exactly. Those are not juice results unless you don't know what you're
doing.

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>> "Van Der" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see
>>> some
>>> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
>>> Arnold..
>>>
>>> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
>>> VERY Lean
>>> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you
>>> very
>>> much.
>>>
>>> Roids RULZ!
>>>
>>> Van Der
>>> the "juice pig"
>>>
>> You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out
>> at
>> 90#?
>
> 2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand
> never
> new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..
>
>
You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You
are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I
can

not

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imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

The real illuminating fact is not that he's *only* 210#, but that he only
gained 34#'s in FIVE years! Hell, that's less than a 7#/yr average
gain!!!
And he had to juice to do that? Of course he then goes on to say how
he's a
"HARDGAINER" which helps explain a lot about how much of an idiot he is.
I
used to think I was a hardgainer until I started to eat more!

With the right routine and diet this guy could have gained more WITHOUT
steriods.

I don't know how you can make that statement.

Arnold won the Mr. Olympia weighing 215# - that was after using juice
for years. I doubt anyone would say he was anything but huge.

210# doesn't really convey enough information about Van Der's condition
and conveys nothing about his genetic potential.

Or how hard he trains, etc. Often juice is simply a shortcut for lazy
people. OTOH, Schuh was ripped to shreds at 210# and pretty big and he
was a hard trainer.

--
Keith

Point blank, 210# is not the size of anyone that I know that juices. Just
isn't.

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The real illuminating fact is not that he's *only* 210#, but that he only
gained 34#'s in FIVE years! Hell, that's less than a 7#/yr average
gain!!!
And he had to juice to do that? Of course he then goes on to say how he's
a
"HARDGAINER" which helps explain a lot about how much of an idiot he is.
I
used to think I was a hardgainer until I started to eat more!

With the right routine and diet this guy could have gained more WITHOUT
steriods.

Exactly. Those are not juice results unless you don't know what you're
doing.

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Steroids simply act as enzymes or catalysts for reactions. If you
don't supply the building blocks for muscle formation then there will
be little net new muscle formed. However, people on juice long term
can achieve pretty impressive body recomposition over time even if
they don't gain weight.

VanDer probably stays on for that very reason. I doubt he wants to be
a huge spongy freak.

--
Is this thing on?

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Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some old
Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..

As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY

Lean

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and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very

much.

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Roids RULZ!

Van Der
the "juice pig"

WOW.....glad to see you are alive and healthy!

Lester

Thanks Leste! Nice to see you still here too. 😄

Needless to say, to this day, NO ONE has died from using anabolic steroids. You
are FAR better off taking juice, training hard, eating well and doing cardio
than anyone who sits on their ass, smokes, drinks and makes all sorts of pseudo
moralistic comments about how using steroids is "cheating." Do a Google search
on my good friend Bob Clapp. He is 70s years old, is in better shape than
99.99999% of the 25 year olds out there and has been using anabolic steroids
for over 40 years. I am now 14 years post renal failure and 7 years since my
kidney transplant and I am on Testosterone replacement therapy. Congress and
the media are full of [censored].

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

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> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
> old
> Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick Arnold..
>
> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs VERY
> Lean
> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
> much.
>
> Roids RULZ!
>
> Van Der
> the "juice pig"
>
You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at

90#?

Or he's only been eating 1500 calories a day.

That's a possibility that I had not thought of. So he's stupid. LOL

Trace,
From what I recall, you should know many people on steroids for either
replacement therapy or for HIV wasting. I hope that you are not claiming that
this guy is ignorant for using anabolic steroids.

Take care

Rob

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

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> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
> Arnold..
>
> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
> VERY Lean
> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
> much.
>
> Roids RULZ!
>
> Van Der
> the "juice pig"
>
You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
90#?

2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..

You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can not
imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

It really depends upon his body composition and not actual weight.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

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>> "Van Der" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> Dammm,, is quite a while since I don't check MFW... Nice to see some
>>> old Folks Like Rob are still around... Sad to know about Patrick
>>> Arnold..
>>>
>>> As for me, for those who remember me, I'm today weighting 210 lbs
>>> VERY Lean
>>> and hard...juicin non-stop since 2000, and very healty thank you very
>>> much.
>>>
>>> Roids RULZ!
>>>
>>> Van Der
>>> the "juice pig"
>>>
>> You've been juicing since 2000 and are only 210? Did you start out at
>> 90#?
>
> 2000 I was 176lbs.... I'm a true HARDGAINER! But on the other hand never
> new what means being fat... pretty happy the way it is..
>
>
You really need to have someone look at the cycle you're doing. You are
either not doing the correct combination or not eating correctly. I can

not

Quoted message said:

imagine someone cycling for 5 years and only at 210#

The real illuminating fact is not that he's *only* 210#, but that he only
gained 34#'s in FIVE years! Hell, that's less than a 7#/yr average gain!!!
And he had to juice to do that? Of course he then goes on to say how he's a
"HARDGAINER" which helps explain a lot about how much of an idiot he is. I
used to think I was a hardgainer until I started to eat more!

With the right routine and diet this guy could have gained more WITHOUT
steriods.

I don't know how you can make that statement.

Arnold won the Mr. Olympia weighing 215# - that was after using juice
for years. I doubt anyone would say he was anything but huge.

210# doesn't really convey enough information about Van Der's condition
and conveys nothing about his genetic potential.

Or how hard he trains, etc. Often juice is simply a shortcut for lazy
people. OTOH, Schuh was ripped to shreds at 210# and pretty big and he
was a hard trainer.

--
Keith

Keith,
I won a # of shows at 176 at 5'10" tall and was at my best at 198 on the day of
the show. Body weight means NOTHING. I have a very small bone structure, so I used
to look 20-30 lbs on stage than I actually was. No matter what people claim they
weigh etc., THE key is how they look standing on stage with the lights beating
down! :-)

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/