Camping Stove fuelled by domestic heating oil?

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I'm looking for a camping stove I could fuel with domestic heating oil.
Has anyone done this? - any recommendations? Thanks, Emma

To some extent it depends on exactly what your heating oil is. Some is
pretty much paraffin/kerosene and accordingly runs happily on stoves
that burn this (friends run old Primus paraffin stoves on their heating
oil, I've run a Primus MFS on their heating oil).

Beyond that, an MSR X-GK or Primus Omnifuel will both probably burn just
about any sort of heating oil, though you may wish to double check with
Primus and MSR first.

Pete.
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:21:11 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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IIRC (which is doubtful) there are 2 grades of domestic heating oil
which are effectively paraffin and diesel

28 second heating oil and 35 second gasoil. The number relates to the
time it takes for a given amount to fall through a specified hole.

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but these days most systems
use the heavier grade.

I thought it was the other way around, I only see the red 35 second
stuff being used in tractors and the big pressure jet burners in
larger installations.

I think what we know as paraffin is somewhere between petrol and
heating oil.

So from high to low viscosity we would have a series like:

gasoil aka diesel -> Heating oil -> kerosene (jet fuel)-> paraffin ->
petrol

NB beware mixing different types to try and get intermediate results,
the mixture still acts as the individual constituents, i.e mixing
diesel and petrol still give explosive petrol vapours.

AJH

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I'm looking for a camping stove I could fuel with domestic heating oil.
Has anyone done this? - any recommendations? Thanks, Emma

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To some extent it depends on exactly what your heating oil is. Some is
pretty much paraffin/kerosene and accordingly runs happily on stoves
that burn this (friends run old Primus paraffin stoves on their heating
oil, I've run a Primus MFS on their heating oil).

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Beyond that, an MSR X-GK or Primus Omnifuel will both probably burn just
about any sort of heating oil, though you may wish to double check with
Primus and MSR first.

IIRC (which is doubtful) there are 2 grades of domestic heating oil
which are effectively paraffin and diesel but these days most systems
use the heavier grade. One of these days I must try and run my (leaking)
paraffin Primus on red diesel just to see if it is possible, but first I
must get some meths.

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NB beware mixing different types to try and get intermediate results,
the mixture still acts as the individual constituents,

What if one mixes 28s heating oil with diesel? Could this fuel a diesel
car engine?

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NB beware mixing different types to try and get intermediate results,
the mixture still acts as the individual constituents,

What if one mixes 28s heating oil with diesel? Could this fuel a diesel
car engine?

Not sure there's any need to mix it, I believe you can run many, if not
all, diesels on 28 second heating oil. Illegal of course (for road use).

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NB beware mixing different types to try and get intermediate results,
the mixture still acts as the individual constituents,

What if one mixes 28s heating oil with diesel? Could this fuel a diesel
car engine?

Not legally and you will wreck the injection pump as it doesn't have
sufficient lubricity without the relevant additives.

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NB beware mixing different types to try and get intermediate results,
the mixture still acts as the individual constituents,

What if one mixes 28s heating oil with diesel? Could this fuel a diesel
car engine?

Not sure there's any need to mix it, I believe you can run many, if not
all, diesels on 28 second heating oil. Illegal of course (for road use).

Some engines are better suited, VW and Merc engines are good for this,
they'll run on almost anything. They are designed to do this as fuel
quality in some parts of the world is questionable.

Most people who use heating oil tend to mix it 50/50 with diesel for
two reasons, it provides a bit of lubrication and the also have recent
duty paid fuel receipts to show customs and excise if required.

Others simply mix a little engine oil in with the heating oil to
provide a bit of lube.

People are also using vegetable oil and home brew bio diesel, there
are loads of web pages dedicated to it.

When I was a kid I remember regularly seeing C&E dipping tanks in the
car parks at agricultural shows and on cattle market days, looking for
farmers running on red. I haven't seen that for years. I suspect that
like everything else the govt has cut back on staff and rely more on
the inherent honesty of the public and the fear that there's a C&E man
lurking behind every bush.

I've even seen cars openly filling up with red at boatyards.

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When I was a kid I remember regularly seeing C&E dipping tanks in the
car parks at agricultural shows and on cattle market days, looking for
farmers running on red. I haven't seen that for years.

They do it regularly in the north of Scotland. My tank was dipped in
Inverness last year and I saw customs dipping at the Cromarty Firth
bridge last week. According to the "Scottish Farmer" magazine they are
having a purge throughout Scotland just now.

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I'm looking for a camping stove I could fuel with domestic heating oil.
Has anyone done this? - any recommendations? Thanks, Emma

The MSR Dragonfly, and multi fuel stoves from Primus and Nova may well be
able to cope.

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Andy Howell said:

The MSR Dragonfly, and multi fuel stoves from Primus and Nova may well be
able to cope.

If it's basically diesel I doubt the Dragonfly would manage. The X-GK
should be okay, don't know about Novas. The old Primus MFS (the "Mk 1"
of the current Omnifuel) won't manage diesel as it doesn't burn hot
enough, though the LFS and Omnifuel will both manage Diesel. Having
said that, I wouldn't want to run a stove on diesel unless there was no
other choice because it needs a *lot* of priming and is basically nasty
stuff. Paraffin's okay, but diesel is sufficiently hard to get going
that it reaches the point where saving a bit of money becomes not really
worth it...

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Andy Howell said:

The MSR Dragonfly, and multi fuel stoves from Primus and Nova may well be
able to cope.

If it's basically diesel I doubt the Dragonfly would manage. The X-GK
should be okay, don't know about Novas. The old Primus MFS (the "Mk 1" of
the current Omnifuel) won't manage diesel as it doesn't burn hot enough,
though the LFS and Omnifuel will both manage Diesel. Having said that, I
wouldn't want to run a stove on diesel unless there was no other choice
because it needs a *lot* of priming and is basically nasty stuff.
Paraffin's okay, but diesel is sufficiently hard to get going that it
reaches the point where saving a bit of money becomes not really worth
it...

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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The Dragonfly will burn diesel - I have one.

All that is required is a change in the jet from the white gas nozzle. The
alternate jet is supplied with the stove.

You can check out the specs through the Cascade Designs web site at
http://www.cascadedesigns.com

Bill

On 16/10/05 01:45, in article [email hidden], "Bill

Brabender said:

The Dragonfly will burn diesel - I have one.

All that is required is a change in the jet from the white gas nozzle. The
alternate jet is supplied with the stove.

The Dragonfly copes pretty well with alterative fuel. I've used it with
kerosene and with diesel.

One tip. When you buy your Dragonfly, unscrew the jet and replace it making
sure that the jet isn't too tight - this will ensure that you never have
any problems changing the jet. I once had a Dragonfly where I only needed to
change the jet after a couple of years use. The jet screw was almost welded
to the stove and I wasn't able to get it loose despite playing with all
kinds of oils and solvents.

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Bill Brabender said:

The Dragonfly will burn diesel - I have one.

All that is required is a change in the jet from the white gas nozzle. The
alternate jet is supplied with the stove.

I stand corrected... though will add that diesel is probably not a great
fuel unless you've no realistic choice as it needs considerably more
priming than alternatives, needs to burn very hot and is basically
'orrible stuff (even more so than paraffin).

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

I stand corrected... though will add that diesel is probably not a great
fuel unless you've no realistic choice as it needs considerably more
priming than alternatives, needs to burn very hot and is basically
'orrible stuff (even more so than paraffin).

Diesel has the advantage that you can find it almost anywhere. It does smell
a bit but it burns OK in the Dragonfly. On the continent it is fairly easy
to buy a variety of fuels that are suitable for mobile fires. These are
somewhere between kerosene and white gas and only smell a little. It is very
unusual to be able to not find something that will not burn in a Dragonfly.

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Bill Brabender said:

The Dragonfly will burn diesel - I have one.

All that is required is a change in the jet from the white gas nozzle.
The alternate jet is supplied with the stove.

I stand corrected... though will add that diesel is probably not a great
fuel unless you've no realistic choice as it needs considerably more
priming than alternatives, needs to burn very hot and is basically
'orrible stuff (even more so than paraffin).

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
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Agreed - paraffin (kerosene) is horrible stuff and diesel is probably
worse - get it on your hands and you stink for days.

Bill

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Brabender said:

Agreed - paraffin (kerosene) is horrible stuff and diesel is probably
worse - get it on your hands and you stink for days.

True, but when it's the only fuel you can get you'll forgive it all that!

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