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  1. All of my bike experience is in the area of competition. I am very
    comfortable evaluating a road or tri-bike to my own tastes or
    requirements.

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    rsquared
    Atlanta, GA (USA)

  2. rsquared wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    rsquared
    Atlanta, GA (USA)

    If you're doing the commute in your "work" clothes, I'd suggest full
    fenders and a chain guard, to keep the clothes you're going to spend
    the day in both clean, but more especially dry.
    For clothing, I'd carry a lightweight waterproof shell top. With full
    fenders, you can probably do without over-trousers on all but the
    wettest days.

    Get a rear luggage rack. Depending on how much you need to carry, you
    can choose between a racktop bag, or panniers. You may also be able to
    get away with a large saddlebag. Ortlieb do excellent very waterproof
    stuff, complete with a quick-release system, but you can get away with
    cheaper, non-waterproof panniers by lining them with large garbage
    sacks or similar.

    Do you have to carry papers, a laptop or similar?

    Do you have secure storage at work? If not, I'd consider either a
    folder you can take into your workplace (if that's not going to cause a
    riot), or an older /second hand bike that would be less attractive to
    thieves. The best combination is a slightly ratty looking bike, and
    one or more big f**k off locks. If you're in an urban area, without
    really secure parking (preferably indoors), there may be a good chance
    of losing the bike at some stage, so it may be better to go cheaper
    rathher than more expensive.

    Unless you go with a folder, I think you'll be looking for bikes with
    26" ("MTB"😉or 700c (as per your racing bikes) wheels. Either is fine,
    and commonly available. Best if they're of conventional design, and
    have a decent spoke count (36 per wheel is ideal). Tyres in either case
    should probably be somewhere between 1" and 1.5" in width, fairly
    slick. Schwalbe Marathons come well recomended - you're looking for
    somthing fairly puncture resistant and tough, rather than lightweight
    or fast.

    Gearing will be either derailleur based (as per you current bikes), or
    based on one of the hub systems. Shimano do 7 and 8 speed internally
    geared hubs under the "Nexus" flag. The are clicky-clicky indexed, but
    require minimual maintenance. Similar systems are available from
    Rolhoff (big €) and others.
    Either system will do fine.
    Just check that the lowest gear is low enough to get you up the hills
    in the rain, against the wind, when you're tired, and that the high is
    high enough that you're not spinning out on the way back down.

    For lights (if required), I'd use a cheap bottle dynamo, supplemented
    by front and read LED blinkies. You can't forget the dynamo set, it's
    permanently attached to the bike, the blinkies mean you have some
    lights on even when stopped at junctions etc. You can leave the
    blinkies in your bag until you need them, so you don't have to
    clip/unclip them when leaving the bike.
    The two systems back each other up, in case of bulb failure (dynamo) or
    battery failure (blinkies).
    I'd also add pedal reflectors, spoke reflectors, and front and back
    red/white reflectors, and a "Sam Brown" belt. Only if you expect to be
    spending a lot of time commuting in the dark would I bother looking at
    the more expensive hub-dynamo or rechargable battery based systems.

    A "ding-ding" bell is a useful addition - people seem to respond well
    to those, and identify them immediatly with a bike.

    You may or may not want to carry a spare tube and a few tools - on a 15
    minute commute, it may be as easy to walk the rest of the way as to
    stop and repair.

    Do you want to buy new, or is second-hand an option?
    Do you have a budget in mind?

    hth,

    bookieb.

  3. On 10/18/2005 8:38 AM rsquared said:

    All of my bike experience is in the area of competition. I am very
    comfortable evaluating a road or tri-bike to my own tastes or
    requirements.

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    I can't help you with all your questions, but I can share what is
    working for me for commuting. I have a sub-$300 "mountain bike" with
    rudimentary suspension. I don't want a backpack, either, so I mounted a
    rear rack and strapped a short "milk carton" box to it. Got a 7'' tall
    indestructable one from mcmaster.com . I dump my book bag and other bits
    into it and run a bungee over it. Of course it weighs about a hundred
    pounds more than my other bikes. But the setup is crappy-looking enough
    that I worry less about it being stolen from a school bike rack that I
    would if I had one of the fancier (and less well-secured) ones I've seen
    there. It is stable and gets me there.

    Regarding shifting, I saw a line of commuter bikes on a trip to
    Flagstaff AZ that I've not seen around here: the Breezer town/commuting
    bikes (for example, http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/breezer/ ). These
    bikes come with up to eight speeds in an internally-geared rear hub. I
    don't know what the concensus is regarding these Shimano Nexus hubs, but
    from what I read, they appear to be a bit of a step-up from the old
    Sturmey-Archer three speeds. They apparently have a range similar to a
    70's 10-speed and the overall range can be raised or lowered by changing
    the rear cog.

    --

    Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
    71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
    84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana"😉
    KG6RCR

  4. rsquared said:

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    Everything above says touring bike, IMO. I don't have the answer for a
    quickly removable bag, though.

    Quoted message said:

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    Bar-end shifters are available for any sort of current derailer gears.
    You can flip them to friction if you want.

    Quoted message said:

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    559 (26"😉 or 622 (700c) are the normal choices. For your frame size, I'd
    recommend 622.

    I had a commute very similar to yours. I went through a lot of
    variations before I found the "right" solution. I have an 80s vintage
    touring bike with clearance for big tyres and fenders. I retrofit it to
    622 wheels (it had 27"/630) and installed fenders.

    I also used an internal gear hub (SRAM 7 speed). I really like that
    because the required chain maintenance is much less due to the straight
    chainline and the lack of a derailer.

    At 15 miles each way, I think you'll want the more aero position of a
    road style bike. I used an MTB for several years, but when that frame
    broke, I went to a roadie. On the other hand, you want clearance for big
    tyres. At your size, you should be able to neglect a 32-622 or 35-622
    tyre for quite a while without having undue trouble with pinch flats,
    etc. As I said, a touring (or cyclocross) bike will fit the bill. The
    touring bike is more likely to have attachment points for racks and bags
    if you don't want a backpack.

    My current commute is much shorter (4 miles each way), but I'm still
    very happy with the bike I described above.

    --
    Dave
    dvt at psu dot edu

  5. Quoted message said:

    rsquared wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    rsquared
    Atlanta, GA (USA)

    If you're doing the commute in your "work" clothes, I'd suggest full
    fenders and a chain guard, to keep the clothes you're going to spend
    the day in both clean, but more especially dry.
    For clothing, I'd carry a lightweight waterproof shell top. With full
    fenders, you can probably do without over-trousers on all but the
    wettest days.

    I envisioned cycling clothes. The office has showers & lockers

    Quoted message said:

    Get a rear luggage rack. Depending on how much you need to carry, you
    can choose between a racktop bag, or panniers. You may also be able to
    get away with a large saddlebag. Ortlieb do excellent very waterproof
    stuff, complete with a quick-release system, but you can get away with
    cheaper, non-waterproof panniers by lining them with large garbage
    sacks or similar.

    Do you have to carry papers, a laptop or similar?

    Yes, laptop. I bring it home about 50% of the time. That is precisely
    the item that I do not care to carry on my back. My expectation is
    that I will not be the first to look for a rack or pannier that can
    accomodate a laptop.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you have secure storage at work? If not, I'd consider either a
    folder you can take into your workplace (if that's not going to cause a
    riot), or an older /second hand bike that would be less attractive to
    thieves. The best combination is a slightly ratty looking bike, and
    one or more big f**k off locks. If you're in an urban area, without
    really secure parking (preferably indoors), there may be a good chance
    of losing the bike at some stage, so it may be better to go cheaper
    rathher than more expensive.

    We have uncovered bike racks at work. It seems quite secure: monitored
    security cameras, well off the sidewalks.

    <<SNIP>>

    Quoted message said:

    Gearing will be either derailleur based (as per you current bikes), or
    based on one of the hub systems. Shimano do 7 and 8 speed internally
    geared hubs under the "Nexus" flag. The are clicky-clicky indexed, but
    require minimual maintenance. Similar systems are available from
    Rolhoff (big €) and others.
    Either system will do fine.
    Just check that the lowest gear is low enough to get you up the hills
    in the rain, against the wind, when you're tired, and that the high is
    high enough that you're not spinning out on the way back down.

    I had not considered the inside-the-hub gearing thing, but I am open to
    the idea. I'll ask the LBS about it's proper care & feeding.

    <<SNIP>>

    Quoted message said:

    A "ding-ding" bell is a useful addition - people seem to respond well
    to those, and identify them immediatly with a bike.

    You may or may not want to carry a spare tube and a few tools - on a 15
    minute commute, it may be as easy to walk the rest of the way as to
    stop and repair.

    Do you want to buy new, or is second-hand an option?
    Do you have a budget in mind?

    Second-hand is a definite consideration. Budget <$500 (US); I guess
    that will go further with a used bike than a new one.

    Quoted message said:

    hth,

    Good guidance - - thx.

    Quoted message said:

    bookieb.

  6. rsquared said:

    Yes, laptop. I bring it home about 50% of the time. That is precisely
    the item that I do not care to carry on my back. My expectation is
    that I will not be the first to look for a rack or pannier that can
    accomodate a laptop.

    Something like this?

    <http://www.ortlieb.de/_prod.php?lang=en&produkt=notebookinsert>

    [---]

    Quoted message said:

    I had not considered the inside-the-hub gearing thing, but I am open to
    the idea. I'll ask the LBS about it's proper care & feeding.

    Virtually none at all. The things are practically maintenance-free,
    and chain wear is also less than with dérailleur shifting.

  7. Something like a Bianchi Milano or a REI Novara Fusion, both interal
    Nexus-8 bikes, might be worth a look, but that's outside your budget.

    You can also retrofit an old bike with a Nexus hub, I'd say try to find
    the older Nexus-7 Hub with thumb shifter, as I really hate grip shift,
    plus, the thumb shifter is mountable on drop bars.

    A used touring bike with fresh tires, drivetrain bits, fenders, and a
    rack is probably the best bet. An imminently practical all-rounder.
    Derailleurs get mucky and break, but are cheap enough to replace with
    workhorse stuff like 105 and Deore LX.

    A used touring bike fitted with drops, fenders, rack, and a Nexus 7
    rear hub laced to 36H Mavic rims would be my first choice.

    Such a hub and shifter can be had for less than $200 if you shop around.

  8. depends on the route! Gp+top speed or manuverability on various
    terrain?
    fat tires and double walls produce less wheel system amintenance but
    more effort for GP straightaways.
    a completely enclosed chain/CR/gear cluster is an absolute necessity.
    two bikes are an absolute necessity
    and spare front and rear wheels
    you either do all the work yourself and buy the tools
    orforegetaboutit
    but all polyester clothing from campmor.com
    buy dayglo clothing and stay visible.
    read rodale's road bike book and tips book.

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you have to carry papers, a laptop or similar?


    Yes, laptop. I bring it home about 50% of the time.

    use 21th century technology, get a
    a. 1-GB thumbdrive.
    b. iPod whatever. a 4-GB Nano, 250-USD, could be cost effective if it
    can be used as a drive. i paid 90-USD for the 1-GB thumb, i
    sometimes use my iPod 40-GB for storage.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    rsquared said:

    All of my bike experience is in the area of competition. I am very
    comfortable evaluating a road or tri-bike to my own tastes or
    requirements.

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter.
    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    I can share with you my solution to a similar commute. It meets all of
    your goals: get a 70s or 80s road bike, a mid-range one with eyelets for
    racks and fenders.

    Such machinery is cheap as chips: at garage sales, $10, at bike shops
    that sell used bikes, maybe $100. They generally have 6-speed friction
    shift drivetrains, though the newer ones would have indexed downtube
    shifting, which in that era can be switched to friction by moving a
    little lever on the shifter.

    They have fairly relaxed geometry compared to your road bike, so less
    twitchy. They're tough, not very desireable to thieves, and they use
    either 700c wheels (same as virtually all road bikes) or 27" wheels
    (earlier American road bike standard; tires and wheels still widely
    available, but not as common as 700c).

    The only notable downside for a big guy like you is that the freewheel
    rear hubs on these bikes provide less effective bearing support for the
    rear axle, which is to say that newer freehub designs are a bit
    stronger. For most people this is not an issue. I would recommend trying
    it: if you end up breaking an axle, it's easy to upgrade.

    When I acquire one of these bicycles, I replace the front brake with a
    modern dual-pivot caliper, typically a Nashbar/Tektro model or whatever
    Shimano part I have around (Campy would be fine, too), and I like to
    replace the brake levers with Shimano SLR (or similar Tektro or other
    levers) because the modern "aero" (hidden cable) designs seem to have a
    lever and pivot design which works better. When the rear cogs wear out,
    I replace them with a Shimano Mega-7 freewheel, which gives you one more
    gear in a design Sheldon Brown says is really good.

    Add a tail rack, fenders if you will ever ride in the rain. For
    laptop-shaped loads, I use a single saddlebag and pad it with my change
    of clothing. Crashing is not recommended.

    All these changes will cost you about $60, plus the cost of saddlebags.
    You might want to add "cyclocross levers" which allow you to brake from
    the top of the bars, which is nice.

    A rigid mountain bike from the same era, upgraded with slick tires
    (available at most bike shops) is another option: tougher bike and
    wheels, cushier tires, you might like the more upright seating position,
    and it's just a bit slower and heavier.

    Among new bikes, I agree that a hub-gear bike, ideally with an enclosed
    chain, is a Cadillac solution, especially for low maintenance. The fast
    solution would be a touring bike (Trek 520?) or a low-end cyclocross
    bicycle. A "comfort," "trekking," or entry level mountain bike would be
    flat-bar solutions to the same problem.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  11. "rsquared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    All of my bike experience is in the area of competition. I am very
    comfortable evaluating a road or tri-bike to my own tastes or
    requirements.

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    rsquared
    Atlanta, GA (USA)


    I use an off the shelf Specialized Globe

    It has everything I wanted in a commuter:
    700c x 38 tires - They seem to be the right compromise between rolling
    resistance, durability, and traction in the rain
    Upright riding position that I find is much safer in traffic although less
    aerodynamic of course
    Full fenders
    Chain guard
    Very wide gear range so it could also be used for fully loaded touring
    Excellent hub dynamo powered lighting system
    Nice rear rack to which I attach a Jannd Mountaineering commuter pannier
    Integrated wheel lock system

    All I have changed is the pedals - it comes with platform pedals for regular
    (non-cycling specific) shoes. I put on some Shimano pedals with platforms
    for regular shoes on one side and SPD clips on the other.

    The negatives for me are:
    It is really heavy
    It has a suspension front fork that I do not really need and that adds
    weight
    It has a suspension seat post that I effectively locked out by tightening
    the spring

    I think someone put a lot of thought into picking the components for this
    bike. It must have been someone that actually uses a bike for daily
    transportation.

    http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=9353

  12. Per rsquared:

    Quoted message said:

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    15 miles in rolling country... "Short"? Each way? Geeze, I only do 12 each way
    and I wouldn't want it any longer. My nether regions seem tb the limiting
    factor. Right now, anything more than every other day seems tb asking for
    trouble.

    Quoted message said:

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    I tried a couple of messenger bags, but didn't like lack of ventilation on my
    back. Maybe I'll learn to like them when it gets colder. For now, I'm using
    this and it works for me: http://www.wallbike.com/carradice/sqrbags.html

    I'm not in love with the bag itself - needs work IMHO: side pockets need zippers
    or velcro or something, rear flap seems kind of clumsy but I can't offer an
    improvement - but the attachment/detachment mechanism works well and is
    fast/convenient.

    It doesn't hold all that much, but I can get all my office toys, lunch, a clean
    shirt, socks, underwear, and pants (if not staged at work) into it no problem.
    My size 15's would be another story.... but I stage them at work.

    Quoted message said:

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    I'm using Rohloff hubs on both my commuter and FS. Others might hate the
    things, but after using these things for several years I'm never going back.
    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Hub/product_68271.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    I use exactly the same 26" wheels/hubs that I have on my FS - wanting full
    interchangeability. Mavic 517 on the front, 617 on the rear. I'm 220.
    Toasted three 517's on the rear, but on the front they seem to be OK. If a
    front wheel does start to go, I may replace it with a 617 just on GPs.

    For commuting, I use 1.25" slicks at 90 psi... but I just rode my FS to work
    today (WTB Mutano Raptors at 35psi) and my take is that the tire diff is good
    for 2 mph absolute max. Greater minds than mine have confirmed that the 1.25"
    slicks are about as good as it's going to get efficiency-wise. OTOH, there's a
    very noticeable diff in feeling - which makes the slicks worthwhile if only for
    variety.

    With the same wheels all the way around, my commuter bike is also my hardtail -
    or, more accurately, my hardtail is my commuter bike. Handy for times like
    last week when the FS frame broke. Also, when I do weekend rides with an a
    relative who is in even worse shape than me, I can put him on the slicks and
    ride the 35 psi fat boys myself.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  13. Per rsquared:

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, laptop. I bring it home about 50% of the time. That is precisely
    the item that I do not care to carry on my back. My expectation is
    that I will not be the first to look for a rack or pannier that can
    accomodate a laptop.

    Be careful there. I suspect that I toasted my iPod carrying it in the
    saddlebag on a hardtail. Palm Pilot's still ticking, but the iPod's USB
    connectivity is history. On your back in a messenger bag, the laptop will be
    shielded from shock.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  14. On 18 Oct 2005 13:02:04 -0700, "maxo" <[email hidden]> scribbled:

    Quoted message said:

    Something like a Bianchi Milano or a REI Novara Fusion, both interal
    Nexus-8 bikes, might be worth a look, but that's outside your budget.

    You can also retrofit an old bike with a Nexus hub, I'd say try to find
    the older Nexus-7 Hub with thumb shifter, as I really hate grip shift,
    plus, the thumb shifter is mountable on drop bars.

    A used touring bike with fresh tires, drivetrain bits, fenders, and a
    rack is probably the best bet. An imminently practical all-rounder.
    Derailleurs get mucky and break, but are cheap enough to replace with
    workhorse stuff like 105 and Deore LX.

    A used touring bike fitted with drops, fenders, rack, and a Nexus 7
    rear hub laced to 36H Mavic rims would be my first choice.

    Such a hub and shifter can be had for less than $200 if you shop around.

    The new Novara Transfer also uses the Shimano 7-speed Nexus hub, but
    loses the front generator hub and various other bits and pieces, along
    with moving to 26" wheels. It's a bit cheaper at $599.00 on the
    website, and then the 10% member return on the yearly dividend.

    Not sure if it's ideal, but it's another option if the Fusion was
    along the right lines, but this one at a lower price point.

    -Slash
    --
    "Ebert Victorious"
    -The Onion

  15. "rsquared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    All of my bike experience is in the area of competition. I am very
    comfortable evaluating a road or tri-bike to my own tastes or
    requirements.

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    rsquared
    Atlanta, GA (USA)


    Actually just about any bike would work for commuting.
    But important things to look for are if you can mount racks and fenders on a
    bike, very nice for carrying stuff and keeping the gunk off of you when the
    roads are wet. Whether you need lights or not, you can never really have too
    many lights or too much light on a bike.
    If you are riding in more open areas and have longer distances to go, a
    touring bike with drop down road bike handlebars is better. But if you are
    in a urban or city environment then something more like a mountain bike is
    better, as you can get up and over and down curbs easier.
    If you want tires that can be found anywhere then the classic 26" tire size
    is best. Touring bikes can use 26" tires too (like the Koga-Myata does), but
    many toruing bikes use 700c32 through 700c38 sized tires.

  16. rsquared said:

    All of my bike experience is in the area of competition. I am very
    comfortable evaluating a road or tri-bike to my own tastes or
    requirements.

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    Find an old steel frame that fits you, ensure it has eyelets for
    fenders, a rear rack and horizontal dropouts. Build a set of flipflop
    hubs, like Suzue into a 36h wheelset, get a single ring crank, a set of
    cheap brakes/levers, a single speed FW and bob's yer uncle. No
    maintenance, fun, light, cheap. Or go the fixed/free route and use the
    fixed cog most of the time.

    Quoted message said:


    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    * I prefer to not have a backpack, but I want to quickly remove my
    stuff from the bike to carry inside for a shower & change.

    * Is a "non-clickity-click" shifter available for commuter-type bikes?
    The less maintenenance, the better. My large frame size requires
    regular tweaks to the cable tension in order to keep the shifting
    precise; I have used friction when I could get away with it.

    * Is there a prevailing wheel/tire size. I want something I can find
    in any shop.

    rsquared
    Atlanta, GA (USA)

  17. rsquared said:

    commuter bikes

    Dream:

    http://www.heronbicycles.com/rand.html
    http://www.bikespecialties.com/marip_randonneur1.html
    http://www.sjscycles.com/thornwebsite/audaxclassic.html

    Budget:
    <http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-cross-check.html#complete>

    Or, use these as templates for something in the used market. 1980s
    vintage sports tourer, add full mudguards (SKS).

    You get greater comfort from longer chainstays, fatter tires at lower
    pressures, drop bars closer to level of seat. Steering geometry/stem
    length is also a factor but less obviously so- most such bikes are
    reasonable anyway.
    Winter on ice and snow: get studded tires.
    No ice or snow, but possibly rough or gravel roads: Avocet 32-622 slick
    is a very good tire. If you need super flat resistance, with consequent
    higher rolling resistance and weight, get Vittoria Randonneur, Conti
    Top Touring, or Schwalbe Marathon or Marathon Plus. If you want
    something lighter, i.e. a 25-622, try Michelin Carbon, other Avocets,
    Conti Ultra 2000, Michelin Dynamic, IRC Road Winner.
    Carradice saddlebag with SQR quick release is very handy, there are
    many models available at Wallbike (and other sources) besides the one
    mentioned by another poster- look at Camper or Super-C for something
    large. They are entirely waterproof. For front bags, if you need one,
    get the Klick-fix quick release also from Wallbike.

    A saddlebag has nearly no effect on the handling of your bike, unlike
    panniers or a front handlebar bag.

    A Rohloff internal gear hub has 14 speeds and will cost close to twice
    your budget for the entire bike. Shimano Nexus is more terrestrial at 7
    speeds, but derailleurs are fine.

    Lighting is extremely important unless the hours for your job are quite
    unusual, or you are flitting between the hemispheres according to
    season.

  18. rsquared wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    However, I know nada about commuter bikes. I was hoping someone
    experienced in this area might be of assistance, so I can better direct
    the LBS.

    * I am a heavy (but fit) rider, 230 pounds.

    * My road bike is 62cm c-2-c. I don't desire a responsive/twitchy feel
    on a commuter. Something more forgiving and relaxed would be nice, but
    I do not know how this is achieved.

    * The terrain on my commute is rolling, to short & steep hills.

    * It will be a short commute (15mi.), so no exotic lighting or
    hydration system required.

    R²-

    As others have said, almost any bike can be made into a commuter. For
    instance, I'm your size (6-foot-4, 220 pounds) and I have a 30-mile
    round trip commute (14 miles there, 16 back- it's a loop). My commuter
    is also my touring/weekend kick-around bike. It's got fenders (a
    necessity here in Portland) and a Niterider light, since I leave for
    work about 5:45AM. It's got clearance for up to 45mm wide tires, but I
    find that 700x30 IRC Tandem tires work darn well for my route:
    http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?&d=single&item_id=IR-TN30C

    For carrying my work clothes (I sweat too much to consider riding in
    "regular" clothes) I use a one-piece pannier set similar to those sole
    by Nashbar: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?&sku=6983. Mine are
    larger, just because I carry my work shoes, too... and I need a lot of
    room for my size 13 shoes. If wearing SPD's at work is acceptable, you
    might try them out.

    It's got a conventional derailleur drivetrain with Rapidfire shifters.
    I wonder about your assertion that it requires constant fiddling. Mine
    requires no maintainence beyond cleaning and oiling the chain.

    Jeff

  19. 41 said:

    Shimano Nexus is more terrestrial at 7
    speeds, but derailleurs are fine.

    or 8 speed on some (newer) bikes

    ---
    Bob Anderson*Bitwisebob
    Eugene Oregon

  20. the surely and thorn are interesting-take a ride!
    an 8 speed drive train is cheap-check nashbar prices
    deore 8 speed and steel cr's
    curiously there are 32 spoke sunrims listed where ground running
    experts will say 36 only lemond an exception off noir course !
    butbutbut once again cepting the germans and swimmers not a total
    enclosure chainguard seen.
    there's a shop in SF specs in tourers, listed in archives somewhere,
    and has the links-but that's more money and! more stealable/resellable
    and a redone 10 speed has limited resale value.

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