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  1. From Sydney......๐Ÿ™‚

    They're healthy, thrifty and don't give a hoot
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/theyre-healthy-thrifty-and-dont-give-a-hoot/2005/10/21/1129775959923.html
    By Tim [censored] Urban Affairs Reporter

    Lane change โ€ฆ cyclists in a "bike bus" make a trip from Newtown to the city. Commuter cyclist numbers are steadily increasing in Sydney. Photo: James Brickwood

    Kimberley Francis is part of a small, but growing, minority group. She is discriminated against, she is beeped at, and the Government pays little heed to her needs. She is a cyclist.

    The executive assistant is one of the few Sydneysiders who bike to work (fewer than 1 per cent, according to the 2001 census).

    She rides from Newtown into the city most days, depending on the weather, joining a "bike bus" of others heading the same way to feel safer on roads that make little space for cyclists.

    New figures indicate big increases in those biking into the city over the past decade, according to an independent study for the City of Sydney. It registered large jumps in traffic on four main cycle routes into the city, compared with 1996.

    Then, fewer than 100 cyclists were counted during a typical two-hour weekday morning peak on the Harbour Bridge, but 340 make the trip now.

    In Oxford Street the number is up from 80 to nearly 300, Ultimo Road's cycling volumes have nearly tripled, and those crossing the Pyrmont Bridge have risen from about 45 to more than 350 during the same two-hour period.

    Meanwhile, the Roads and Traffic Authority says the average total daily number of bikes using the Anzac Parade cycleway has gone from 210 to nearly 400.

    According to Customs data, the number of bicycles imported into Australia - few are made here - rose from 657,000 in 1997 to 1.25 million last year.

    Organisers of tomorrow's Sydney Spring Cycle, a 50-kilometre fun ride from North Sydney to Olympic Park, expect a record number of participants, up to 10,000.

    Ms Francis says she likes the freedom cycling gives her. "It's nicer than sitting on the bus. You're in your own space - it's clean. Unless you're behind a bus."

    But the numbers are still small, and Sydney roads remain hostile to bicycles. The previous minister for roads, Michael Costa, halved the RTA's budget for cycleways this year, and his replacement, Joe Tripodi, is not about to change things.

    His spokeswoman, Lisa Carty, repeated the Government's position that $6.6 million was allocated for cycling infrastructure across the state. That is down from about $15 million the previous year.

    Alex Unwin, the chief executive of Bicycle NSW, said the 41-kilometre bike path next to the Westlink M7 was a good example of what could be done.

    Sydney lags behind other capitals. Perth has recently lifted its figure to as high as 5 per cent, while Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide all have much higher - though still small - proportions of cycling commuters.

    CYCLING FOR DUMMIES

    - Buying and maintaining a bike is about 1 per cent of the equivalent for a car, and riding 10 kilometres each day saves an average of $1700 a year.

    - Cyclists can ride two abreast, and take up a whole lane.

    - Riding too near the kerb gives you no room to move, and cars tend to squeeze past you.

    - Cyclists may use bus and transit lanes, but pavements only if signs say so, or if one of the group is under 12.

    - There is no extra charge to take your bicycle on ferries, the light rail or on off-peak trains. However, in peak times, you have to buy a concession fare as well as your own.

  2. What an amazingly positive piece. I'm shocked. No mention of being a
    lunatic or a nazi if you cycle to work. Such a nice change.

    DaveB

  3. DaveB said:

    What an amazingly positive piece. I'm shocked. No mention of being a lunatic or a nazi if you cycle to work. Such a nice change.

    DaveB

    To the strains of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir........ Hallelujah!!! ๐Ÿ˜„

  4. "cfsmtb" wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    - Buying and maintaining a bike is about 1 per cent of the equivalent
    for a car, and riding 10 kilometres each day saves an average of $1700
    a year.

    Maybe if we all rode $99 Huffys like a nana.... :P

    My bike spending is soooo far in the red compared to what the car has cost
    me in the last year... almost wasn't the case last weekend, when it threw
    some belt thing which I was told could have caused major dramas... though, I
    was on the bike at the time and the other half took care of it all... she
    even showed the mechanic how to thread the belt on properly ๐Ÿ™‚

    cheers,
    GPL

  5. DaveB said:

    What an amazingly positive piece. I'm shocked. No mention of being a
    lunatic or a nazi if you cycle to work. Such a nice change.

    DaveB

    Interesting bit about the BikeBus too. That was mentioned here a few weeks back. AFAIK there aint any goin on in Melbourne (altho it wouldnt surprise me if some pop up this Summer. I'm predicting record numbers...)

    the NRMA do a quite good brochure for the newbie:
    rta.nsw.gov.aucycle to workemployee.pdf

  6. GPLama said:

    "cfsmtb" wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    - Buying and maintaining a bike is about 1 per cent of the equivalent
    for a car, and riding 10 kilometres each day saves an average of $1700
    a year.

    Maybe if we all rode $99 Huffys like a nana.... :P

    My bike spending is soooo far in the red compared to what the car has cost
    me in the last year... almost wasn't the case last weekend, when it threw
    some belt thing which I was told could have caused major dramas... though, I
    was on the bike at the time and the other half took care of it all... she
    even showed the mechanic how to thread the belt on properly ๐Ÿ™‚

    cheers,
    GPL

    I haven't done the calcs, but I think I've spent some dough this year with the new frame and all... I expect it to last longer than a year though.

    A cheap new car is about $100 a week all in... I reckon my bike is around $20-$40 all in.

    Ritch

  7. flyingdutch said:

    Interesting bit about the BikeBus too. That was mentioned here a few weeks back. AFAIK there aint any goin on in Melbourne (altho it wouldnt surprise me if some pop up this Summer. I'm predicting record numbers...)

    There used to be a bikebus in Canberra (Northbourne Ave) but the onroad bikelane has eliminated the need to claim the lane there.

  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "ritcho" == ritcho <[email hidden]> writes:

    ritcho> I haven't done the calcs, but I think I've spent some dough
    ritcho> this year with the new frame and all... I expect it to last
    ritcho> longer than a year though.

    ritcho> A cheap new car is about $100 a week all in... I reckon my
    ritcho> bike is around $20-$40 all in.

    Off the top of my head this year to date (week 42):

    $900 on various bits of cycling clothing
    $440 on new wheels (last set did 40,00kms
    $200 on new tires
    $150 on new chains, cassettes
    $40 for new light

    Which comes to about $1,730. Call it $2,000 for the bits I've bought
    but forgotten about ;-)

    Looks pretty scary but that's not an accurate reflection of the real
    cost.

    Clothing will last me between 3 to five years minimum, so per year at
    most it'll be $300 pa.

    My wheels did two years so that's $220 pa.

    I'm hoping to get a little longer out of this light, both my opticubes
    have bounced off of their mount. The Racetech sports is on a much more
    solid mount.

    Add in two hours exercise a day for no gym fees and maybe an extra
    twenty minutes out of my day if I'd use the quickest form of transport
    and I'm left with a sub 45bpm pulse, relative freedom to eat what I want
    an insatiable desire for carbs (Nyyyyahhhh Atkins devotees :-p~~~)

    Regardless, let's call it $2,000. Now what would public transport have
    cost me? A weekly zone 1 and 2 costs $43.70. We're in week 42 so that
    puts me $1,835. Slightly cheaper but a lot less flexible. I work in
    Burwood a lot, public transport to my place of work is problematic. Nor
    do those costs account for the inevitable taxis etc I'd have to take to
    get from a bus route or train route to my destination.

    With commuting mileage only I rack up 300kms a week. Our Toyota Corolla
    runs at about 10km/s per litre so 30 * 1.15 or so over the last 42
    weeks. That's $1,450 odd. Add on the parking at $7 a day at 1470 and
    we're heading for $3,000. That's before we think about servicing,
    depreciation, rego and insurance.

    When you factor in health and finances in as wealth, cycling's a no brainer.
    --
    Cheers | ~~ __@
    Euan | ~~ _-\<,
    Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

  9. "GPLama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "cfsmtb" wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    - Buying and maintaining a bike is about 1 per cent of the equivalent
    for a car, and riding 10 kilometres each day saves an average of $1700
    a year.

    Maybe if we all rode $99 Huffys like a nana.... :P

    My bike spending is soooo far in the red compared to what the car has cost
    me in the last year... almost wasn't the case last weekend, when it threw
    some belt thing which I was told could have caused major dramas... though,
    I was on the bike at the time and the other half took care of it all...
    she even showed the mechanic how to thread the belt on properly ๐Ÿ™‚

    cheers,
    GPL

    Oh I dunno...I'f I commute to work full time, that's 200km/week. Add in
    other general transport based faffage and 250-300km/week isn't unreasonable.
    Assume that over 50 weeks for the year (holidays/whatever do happen) and
    you're looking at transport milage of 12,500-15,000 km/year. In a small car
    using 8l/100km about the suburbs, that's 1000-1200 litres of fuel per year.
    At $1.20/litre, that's $1200-1440 in fuel alone. Add rego,
    maintenance(brakes, tyres, oil, labour, parts etc), parking, car loan
    repayments, e-tag and the gym membership that you're paying for because
    you're not getting any exercise otherwise. My total spend over the last year
    on my bike, including buying a new bike and shoes and pedals would probably
    have been around the $1700 mark or a bit less. So maintenance levels,
    including buying lights and a rack and a helmet and tools was about $500.
    That's for transport, a hobby and an exercise regime.

    Now you probably spent a good bit more than me last year, but you RACE. Ask
    someone who races a car what their yearly spend is ๐Ÿ™‚

  10. GPLama said:

    "cfsmtb" wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    - Buying and maintaining a bike is about 1 per cent of the equivalent
    for a car, and riding 10 kilometres each day saves an average of $1700
    a year.

    Maybe if we all rode $99 Huffys like a nana.... :P

    My bike spending is soooo far in the red compared to what the car has cost
    me in the last year... almost wasn't the case last weekend, when it threw
    some belt thing which I was told could have caused major dramas... though, I
    was on the bike at the time and the other half took care of it all... she
    even showed the mechanic how to thread the belt on properly ๐Ÿ™‚

    cheers,
    GPL

    You fool! You have to divide your expenditure by the number of bikes that you own.

  11. Jono L said:

    You fool! You have to divide your expenditure by the number of bikes that you own.

    Cripes, then our household must be well into the black. ๐Ÿ˜„

  12. When you factor health and finances in as wealth, cycling's a no brainer.

    You hit the nail right on the head, we know this, intimately, but its persuading the rest of population and all levels of Government that this is the case.

    Trouble is cycling conflicts with the growth/ consumer imperitive that drives our economy. Motor vehicles "create" more wealth, they are more expensive, cost more to maintain, are essential to keep our oil ecomony running and boost GDP by crashing, killing and injuring people.

    Ride with Fury, Grace and Precision.

    CC

  13. cogcontrol said:

    Trouble is cycling conflicts with the growth/ consumer imperitive that
    drives our economy. Motor vehicles "create" more wealth, they are more
    expensive, cost more to maintain, are essential to keep our oil ecomony
    running and boost GDP by crashing, killing and injuring people.

    I long ago came to the conclusion that society's design is utterly
    FUBAR. I look at the stuff marketing tries to fob off on us, and find
    myself wondering just what, exactly, it does that I need to do but can't
    (usually: nothing.) The older I get, the more I want to get away from
    the whole "BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY!" mentality; there are some things I
    *want* to own (like a good DSLR, and a full set of diving gear), but I
    fully recognise that I can live without them.

    I'm convinced that somebody would set up a company that murders people
    on demand if they thought there was a profit in it. In some ways, the
    oil crunch can't come too soon. (Only in some ways, mind.)

    --
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    the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

  14. Stuart Lamble said:


    I long ago came to the conclusion that society's design is utterly
    FUBAR. I look at the stuff marketing tries to fob off on us, and find
    myself wondering just what, exactly, it does that I need to do but can't
    (usually: nothing.) The older I get, the more I want to get away from
    the whole "BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY!" mentality; there are some things I
    *want* to own (like a good DSLR, and a full set of diving gear), but I
    fully recognise that I can live without them.

    And societies intent is mostly WOFTAM.

  15. Stuart Lamble said:


    I'm convinced that somebody would set up a company that murders people
    on demand if they thought there was a profit in it.


    That would be a contract killer.

    Hardly a new profession ๐Ÿ™‚

  16. Resound said:

    Now you probably spent a good bit more than me last year, but you RACE. Ask
    someone who races a car what their yearly spend is ๐Ÿ™‚

    When I was just commuting, I had a $500 [censored]. Racing is,
    as you say, different ๐Ÿ™‚

    I used to rally, and our budget was ... considerable ... and
    that was only 6 or so rallies a year. Bicycle cheap, even
    expensive bicycles are cheap ...

  17. scotty72 said:
    Stuart Lamble said:


    I'm convinced that somebody would set up a company that murders people
    on demand if they thought there was a profit in it.


    That would be a contract killer.

    Hardly a new profession ๐Ÿ™‚

    I was thinking along the lines of registering as a corporation, floating
    on the share market, paying dividends, and the like. That part of it
    would be new. ๐Ÿ™‚ (Reminds me of the short story: "Murder,
    Incorporated."๐Ÿ˜‰

    --
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    the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

  18. cfsmtb said:

    And societies intent is mostly WOFTAM.


    OK, I give in. What does WOFTAM stand for?

  19. EuanB said:
    cfsmtb said:

    And societies intent is mostly WOFTAM.

    OK, I give in. What does WOFTAM stand for?


    Waste Of Fscking Time And Money

    --
    BrettS

  20. EuanB said:


    cfsmtb said:

    And societies intent is mostly WOFTAM.


    OK, I give in. What does WOFTAM stand for?

    The answer's been given in another post, but more generally, I find that
    plugging the abbreviation into Google, using "define (abbreviation)"
    (sans quotes), usually gives me the answer fairly quickly.

    And yes, I have to agree with cfsmtb.

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