Rapid Wearing Down of Cogset

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One of the teeth on the cog that I use the most has worn down
after only 2000 miles, causing chain skip. And that cogset replaced
one that lasted only five months, and an even shorter distance.

Doesn't that sound like abnormally fast wear? I do use the cog
in question to climb virtually every time I work out, putting heavy
load on that cog for about a third of the 2,000 miles. But even so,
the wear sounds abnormally fast to me. What am I doing wrong? I
don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
rapid wear.

Yes I would consider that to be very true.
An unlubricated chain will wear abnormally fast, which leads to a abnormally
fast cogset wear too.
Much of the wear on a cogset is due to chain stretch, which forces the chain
to wear the teeth down faster on the cogset.
A cheap chain wears faster than a higher quality chain, and a cheap cogset
wears faster than a high quality cogset too.

RP10128 said:

What am I doing wrong? I don't lubricate my chain

Asked and answered.

RP10128 said:

What am I doing wrong? I
don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
rapid wear.

What are the conditions that you ride in?
What is the cog size?
What chain and cogset models are you using?

What is the amount of chain wear (12 inch measurement increase) that
you have at 2,000 miles?

Earl Bollinger said:

"RP10128" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

One of the teeth on the cog that I use the most has worn down
after only 2000 miles, causing chain skip. And that cogset replaced
one that lasted only five months, and an even shorter distance.

Doesn't that sound like abnormally fast wear? I do use the cog
in question to climb virtually every time I work out, putting heavy
load on that cog for about a third of the 2,000 miles. But even so,
the wear sounds abnormally fast to me. What am I doing wrong? I
don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
rapid wear.

Yes I would consider that to be very true.
An unlubricated chain will wear abnormally fast, which leads to a abnormally
fast cogset wear too.
Much of the wear on a cogset is due to chain stretch, which forces the chain
to wear the teeth down faster on the cogset.
A cheap chain wears faster than a higher quality chain, and a cheap cogset
wears faster than a high quality cogset too.

Small point. A 'cheap' chain is the same as an 'expensive' chain w/o
the plating. The rollers, pins, etc are the same so wear, longevity and
performance is the same. When talking about things like a 105 9s chain
and a DA 9s chain. A Sram PC-950 and a PC-991, with holow pins or
something. 'cheap' chains don't really wear faster than 'expensive'
chains.

RP10128 wrote:
I

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don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
rapid wear.

Someone has to ask it. Why don't you lubricate your chain? It is
always quieter than an unlubricated chain. Are you afraid the chain
oil will attract dirt and cause your cogs to wear faster? It won't be
any worse than you are already experiencing.

No lube or staying in the same gears. Front and rear.

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Earl Bollinger said:

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Quoted message said:

One of the teeth on the cog that I use the most has worn down
after only 2000 miles, causing chain skip. And that cogset replaced
one that lasted only five months, and an even shorter distance.

Doesn't that sound like abnormally fast wear? I do use the cog
in question to climb virtually every time I work out, putting heavy
load on that cog for about a third of the 2,000 miles. But even so,
the wear sounds abnormally fast to me. What am I doing wrong? I
don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
rapid wear.

Yes I would consider that to be very true.
An unlubricated chain will wear abnormally fast, which leads to a

abnormally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

fast cogset wear too.
Much of the wear on a cogset is due to chain stretch, which forces the

chain

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to wear the teeth down faster on the cogset.
A cheap chain wears faster than a higher quality chain, and a cheap

cogset

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wears faster than a high quality cogset too.

Small point. A 'cheap' chain is the same as an 'expensive' chain w/o
the plating. The rollers, pins, etc are the same so wear, longevity and
performance is the same. When talking about things like a 105 9s chain
and a DA 9s chain. A Sram PC-950 and a PC-991, with holow pins or
something. 'cheap' chains don't really wear faster than 'expensive'
chains.

I find it hard to beleive that a $9.95 no name chain would be as good as one
of the brand name chains from Wipperman, Sram, Shimano, etc. Or that it
would wear and last as well as a brand name chain.
The same for the rear cassette, the no name $19.95 cassette as compared to a
Shimano, or SRAM type of cassette.

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"RP10128" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> One of the teeth on the cog that I use the most has worn down
> after only 2000 miles, causing chain skip. And that cogset replaced
> one that lasted only five months, and an even shorter distance.
>
> Doesn't that sound like abnormally fast wear? I do use the cog
> in question to climb virtually every time I work out, putting heavy
> load on that cog for about a third of the 2,000 miles. But even so,
> the wear sounds abnormally fast to me. What am I doing wrong? I
> don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
> rapid wear.

Yes I would consider that to be very true.
An unlubricated chain will wear abnormally fast, which leads to a

abnormally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

fast cogset wear too.
Much of the wear on a cogset is due to chain stretch, which forces the

chain

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to wear the teeth down faster on the cogset.
A cheap chain wears faster than a higher quality chain, and a cheap

cogset

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wears faster than a high quality cogset too.

Small point. A 'cheap' chain is the same as an 'expensive' chain w/o
the plating. The rollers, pins, etc are the same so wear, longevity and
performance is the same. When talking about things like a 105 9s chain
and a DA 9s chain. A Sram PC-950 and a PC-991, with holow pins or
something. 'cheap' chains don't really wear faster than 'expensive'
chains.

I find it hard to beleive that a $9.95 no name chain would be as good as
one
of the brand name chains from Wipperman, Sram, Shimano, etc. Or that it
would wear and last as well as a brand name chain.
The same for the rear cassette, the no name $19.95 cassette as compared to
a
Shimano, or SRAM type of cassette.

In my own experience I've not seen any preceptible difference in chain or
cassette wear based on price. That is based on 12 years of experience with
mountain bikes in a variety of conditions and locations. The main
difference, I think, is in the weight of the components. Obviously lighter
is more expensive in the cycling world. I get the same mileage out of an LX
or XT cassette, and actually tend to get more mileage out of the lower end
SRAM chains. I suspect because they are just that much beefier.

Tom

Earl Bollinger said:

I find it hard to beleive that a $9.95 no name chain would be as good as one
of the brand name chains from Wipperman, Sram, Shimano, etc. Or that it
would wear and last as well as a brand name chain.

Back in the 80s (the last time I had any real contact with racing teams:
USCF/Olympic), the generic Sedisport black chain was what most teams
seemed to use. The mechanics wouldn't even bother cleaning them. At < $3
each wholesale, it was cheaper just to replace them when they got dirty.

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The same for the rear cassette, the no name $19.95 cassette as compared to a
Shimano, or SRAM type of cassette.

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John ([email hidden])

Earl Bollinger said:

A cheap chain wears faster than a higher quality chain,

I question this. In my experience, the SRAM chains wear the same, from
cheapest (under $10 on sale) to most expensive. Only thing I can see that
is different is that the higher priced ones are prettier. Until they get
covered with oil and grit.

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David L. Johnson

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_`\(,_ | by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." --Ralph Waldo
(_)/ (_) | Emerson

Earl Bollinger said:

I find it hard to beleive that a $9.95 no name chain would be as good as one
of the brand name chains from Wipperman, Sram, Shimano, etc. Or that it
would wear and last as well as a brand name chain.
The same for the rear cassette, the no name $19.95 cassette as compared to a
Shimano, or SRAM type of cassette.

My experience was with varying-price SRAM chains, which all are the same
under the shiny bits. It's hard to find cheaper chains than a SRAM on
sale. I have no idea about Wipperman chains, and probably never will
unless I win one in the lottery.

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_`\(,_ | death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to
(_)/ (_) | them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
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John Thompson said:

Earl Bollinger said:

I find it hard to beleive that a $9.95 no name chain would be as good as one
of the brand name chains from Wipperman, Sram, Shimano, etc. Or that it
would wear and last as well as a brand name chain.

Back in the 80s (the last time I had any real contact with racing teams:
USCF/Olympic), the generic Sedisport black chain was what most teams
seemed to use. The mechanics wouldn't even bother cleaning them. At < $3
each wholesale, it was cheaper just to replace them when they got dirty.

Those *were* remarkably good chains, especially when you figured in the
price. The silver ones (maybe nickel plated?) were not much more
expensive, and seemed nearly rustproof.

Mark

Also, is it a titanium cog ? I only got about 3 - 4000 miles out of the
upper (ti) cogs on 2 Campy Record cassettes - when they went, I just
replaced them with the corresponding steel ones from Chorus which are
still lasting well into the 23,000 mile range.
Of course, you need to lube also.

Lou D'Amelio

<Someone has to ask it. Why don't you lubricate your chain?

Not why. But how?

How can anyone get an unlubricated chain to shift reliabily? And:
How can anyone stand the constant chorus of pigs squeeling?

I smell a troll, John

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"RP10128" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> One of the teeth on the cog that I use the most has worn down
> after only 2000 miles, causing chain skip. And that cogset replaced
> one that lasted only five months, and an even shorter distance.
>
> Doesn't that sound like abnormally fast wear? I do use the cog
> in question to climb virtually every time I work out, putting heavy
> load on that cog for about a third of the 2,000 miles. But even so,
> the wear sounds abnormally fast to me. What am I doing wrong? I
> don't lubricate my chain, and I wonder if that is contributing to the
> rapid wear.

Yes I would consider that to be very true.
An unlubricated chain will wear abnormally fast, which leads to a

abnormally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

fast cogset wear too.
Much of the wear on a cogset is due to chain stretch, which forces the

chain

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to wear the teeth down faster on the cogset.
A cheap chain wears faster than a higher quality chain, and a cheap

cogset

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wears faster than a high quality cogset too.

Small point. A 'cheap' chain is the same as an 'expensive' chain w/o
the plating. The rollers, pins, etc are the same so wear, longevity and
performance is the same. When talking about things like a 105 9s chain
and a DA 9s chain. A Sram PC-950 and a PC-991, with holow pins or
something. 'cheap' chains don't really wear faster than 'expensive'
chains.

I find it hard to beleive that a $9.95 no name chain would be as good as one
of the brand name chains from Wipperman, Sram, Shimano, etc. Or that it
would wear and last as well as a brand name chain.
The same for the rear cassette, the no name $19.95 cassette as compared to a
Shimano, or SRAM type of cassette.

The manufacturing of the wear surfaces is pretty close to a constant,
unless you're really wedded to now-unavailable 5-piece chain.

What changes with more expensive chains is they get nicer finishes,
subtle detail changes to make them lighter (holes drilled mid-plate,
hollow pins, etc.)

You can believe what you want, but I think the race bike I ride on has a
PC-48 or something on it, worth C$20, I think. That's the most expensive
chain I've ever bought.

The tolerances demanded by the stuff a chain has to interact with are so
tight that there's really not much room for trickery of any sort. The
manufacture is so thoroughly automated that there's not much room for
hand-crafting or detailing.

About the only really crazy chain I know of is the boutique Ti chains
available for well over 3 figures. Very light. Very crazy.

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