Trying Again

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Luna said:

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

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Luna said:

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OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> IMHO induction helps to break ALL of your addictions...
> I think that's the whole point of it. <lol>
>
> Cheers!

But why would I want to break addictions to things that aren't
unhealthy?

If it's not unhealthy, it's not addiction IMHO.
Weight lifting comes to mind.

Ok, how can you be addicted to weight lifting anyway? I'm talking here
about having a biological, chemical dependence on a substance, not just
a habit.

Weight lifting can be addictive.
Heavy lifting brings on Endorphin rushes...

I've read the same thing about the practice of BD-SM. ;-)
For them it's called "sub-space".

Cheers!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Doug Freyburger said:

2) Because carbs are only half of the Atkins process.
Atkins is also about breaking addictions including ones
mild enough you don't have them. This is part of the
food intolerance half of the process.

"... including the ones mild enough you don't *know
you* have them." I only noticed the two missing words
when I read the replies. Addictive behavior patterns
happen independent of a person's knowledge of them.
Outsiders see addictive behavior patterns better than
the person, and the Atkins process is designed to give
individuals the best chance of discovering them on
their own.

If a substance triggers a behavior pattern that's too
mild to be clinically labelled an addiction, can the
pattern be validly called an addiction? Probably not
so what Induction is intended to do is probably better
labelled something like breaking a downward slide
towards addiction for something mild enough that you
don't know. Except for the problem of denial.

There are also food intolerances that tend to trigger
a behavior pattern that's too mild to be clinically
labelled an addiction. The more obvious the binge
trigger, the easier it is to label as one of your
personal poisons and mark it off the things you
personally can eat, part of the standard <try one new
food at a time and see what happens> process of Atkins.
That still leaves folks with subtle reactions. The
first time I tried wheat it was obvious, so it only
took one confirmation attempt for me to be certain
that I am wheat intolerant. But I tried sugar alcohol
candies several times before I was able to tell they
were a problem - My reaction was a day later so the
correlation was not obvious.

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Luna said:

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > IMHO induction helps to break ALL of your addictions...
> > I think that's the whole point of it. <lol>
> >
> > Cheers!
>
> But why would I want to break addictions to things that aren't
> unhealthy?

If it's not unhealthy, it's not addiction IMHO.
Weight lifting comes to mind.

Ok, how can you be addicted to weight lifting anyway? I'm talking here
about having a biological, chemical dependence on a substance, not just
a habit.

Weight lifting can be addictive.
Heavy lifting brings on Endorphin rushes...

I've read the same thing about the practice of BD-SM. ;-)
For them it's called "sub-space".

Cheers!

Interesting. I knew about endorphins, of course, and you can get them
from lots of different enjoyable activities. I wonder where the line is
between something you just like to do and an addiction. Is there a
line? Or is it just a matter of perception? I can say with medical
accuracy that I'm addicted to nicotine and caffeine, and I can say
metaphorically that I'm "addicted" to reading and crafts, but am I
really addicted in the same way? I know my hobbies help relieve stress
and I get antsy if I'm prevented from doing them, so I imagine there's a
chemical brain response from doing them, but does that make them an
addiction or what?

Luna said:

Interesting. I knew about endorphins, of course, and you can get them
from lots of different enjoyable activities. I wonder where the line is
between something you just like to do and an addiction. Is there a
line? Or is it just a matter of perception? I can say with medical
accuracy that I'm addicted to nicotine and caffeine, and I can say
metaphorically that I'm "addicted" to reading and crafts, but am I
really addicted in the same way? I know my hobbies help relieve stress
and I get antsy if I'm prevented from doing them, so I imagine there's a
chemical brain response from doing them, but does that make them an
addiction or what?

There are clinically diagnosed addictions to gambling
and they are linked with endorphin release. As such
it should be possible-but-impractical to test your
endorphin responses to those activities and make some
amount of judgement about your reaction to those
activities.

Then it becomes a question about your definition of
the word "addiction". If you have an addictive response
pattern (exhileration when doing it, withdrawal when
you're not) to a beneficial activity, does it count as
an addiction? Consider runners' or weight lifters'
high. But too much of good thing and it stops being
beneficial. If a runner gets so engrossed in that
hobby they lose their job, would that runner's high
go to an addiction from not an addiction?

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Luna said:

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Luna said:

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OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > IMHO induction helps to break ALL of your addictions...
> > > I think that's the whole point of it. <lol>
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> >
> > But why would I want to break addictions to things that aren't
> > unhealthy?
>
> If it's not unhealthy, it's not addiction IMHO.
> Weight lifting comes to mind.

Ok, how can you be addicted to weight lifting anyway? I'm talking here
about having a biological, chemical dependence on a substance, not just
a habit.

Weight lifting can be addictive.
Heavy lifting brings on Endorphin rushes...

I've read the same thing about the practice of BD-SM. ;-)
For them it's called "sub-space".

Cheers!

Interesting. I knew about endorphins, of course, and you can get them
from lots of different enjoyable activities. I wonder where the line is
between something you just like to do and an addiction. Is there a
line? Or is it just a matter of perception? I can say with medical
accuracy that I'm addicted to nicotine and caffeine, and I can say
metaphorically that I'm "addicted" to reading and crafts, but am I
really addicted in the same way? I know my hobbies help relieve stress
and I get antsy if I'm prevented from doing them, so I imagine there's a
chemical brain response from doing them, but does that make them an
addiction or what?

Probably depends on your definitions...
I know I feel better when I work out, but there are a myriad of factors
that contribute to that, probably mostly psychological.

And I feel very guilty (and a bit lethargic) when I skip workouts.

How much of it is physical, and how much os psychological?

The same question can apply to addictions since addictions can also be
both or either physical or psychological.
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Weight lifting can be addictive.
Heavy lifting brings on Endorphin rushes...

I heard somewhere that on fMRI falling in love looks the same as an
addiction.

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