local food cost question

On Wed 09 Nov 2005 01:19:43p, jacqui{JB} wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me
-- I usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's
close and convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken
from the market is declining in quality and I have the distinct
impression, based on the amount of unaccountable liquid in the
roasting/frying pan, that the meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not
a situation I'm happy with and I can't find anything about it on the
package -- clearly, a letter to someone is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in
the world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're
you folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these
days?

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg,
which I can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not
having turkey (again!) this year.

-j

A few weeks ago I bought a "free range" (not necessarily organic) roasting
chicken at the butcher shop. It weighed between 5.5 and 6 pounds and cost
less than 8.00USD.

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Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me -- I
usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close and

Ok, dumb question by why do folks refer to grocery stores as
*stupidmarket*? I haven't been able to figure it out. What little
groceries I need, I buy from a m&p (mom & pop) owned small grocery store
or a franchise owned larger grocery store in town. It is a real treat
for me to shop at a really huge grocer store in the city and I really
enjoy browsing through US grocery stores like Farmer Jack. I just don't
get where stupidmarket comes from.

Quoted message said:

convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based on
the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to someone
is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

My word that is expensive! I buy free range chickens cleaned and ready
to roast for $5 CDN. The same size grain fed chickens in the grocery
stores are about $8 CDN. I did see organic chicken in one US grocery
store my last trip over. IIRC it was in the 6 lb range for $8 US.

Quoted message said:

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg, which I
can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not having turkey
(again!) this year.

Turkeys are expensive here at somewhere around $2/lb CDN for frozen and
a little more for fresh and these aren't organic either. Some of the US
stores put frozen turkeys on sale for 29 cents US when it get near the
US Thanksgiving providing you buy $20 worth of groceries. Some US
stores also put turkeys on for buy one get one free but I haven't seen
any of those this year. I'm able to take advantage of these types of
offers so can stock up on turkey and if I'm lucky I can get great deals
on lamb another expensive meat here. I haven't seen organic turkeys
here but I'll bet the larger centres have them and they are likely very
expensive.

Quoted message said:

-j

Denmark sounds very, very expensive! Are the wages higher? What are
other food prices like?

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Quoted message said:

jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for

me -- I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close

and

Quoted message said:

Ok, dumb question by why do folks refer to grocery stores as
*stupidmarket*? I haven't been able to figure it out. What little
groceries I need, I buy from a m&p (mom & pop) owned small grocery store
or a franchise owned larger grocery store in town. It is a real treat
for me to shop at a really huge grocer store in the city and I really
enjoy browsing through US grocery stores like Farmer Jack. I just don't
get where stupidmarket comes from.

Quoted message said:

convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with

and I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to

someone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

My word that is expensive! I buy free range chickens cleaned and ready
to roast for $5 CDN. The same size grain fed chickens in the grocery
stores are about $8 CDN. I did see organic chicken in one US grocery
store my last trip over. IIRC it was in the 6 lb range for $8 US.

At Field Organics, a stall at my local farmer's market (Waterloo, ON) a
small - like 3-4 pound chicken will cost in the mid $20 range CDN - I kid
you not. I don't buy them, I go a couple stalls down and get the free range
ones.

A.

jacqui{JB} said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

Bought one from a farmer nearby - 4.5 pounds for $5.

Pastorio

jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me -- I
usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close and
convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based on
the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to someone
is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg, which I
can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not having turkey
(again!) this year.

There is a farm nearby where I can get chickens that size for about $10-12 Cdn.

Yes, Copenhagen is expensive. I was astounded at the price of things there.
Lovely place, but terribly expensive.

jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me -- I
usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close and
convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based on
the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to someone
is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD.

Sheesh... if I'm gonna slap down $30 for an organic boid it had better
be an ORGASMIC chick... and I mean that literally... adn when they pass
the breast meatt I want mine with nipples! heh

What is organic anyway... really no such thing... I'd rather kosher
than organic.

Sheldon Perdueberg

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Quoted message said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me --
I
usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close and
convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based
on
the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and
I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to
someone
is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg, which
I
can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not having turkey
(again!) this year.

-j

I bought a 5.5 lb chicken today at www.westsidemarket.com, organic. $8 and
I thought that was a little high.

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Quoted message said:

jacqui{JB} said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

Bought one from a farmer nearby - 4.5 pounds for $5.

So, by the time the farmer had someone package it and a market
stock it and sell it, they take their cut, on a grander scale I'd think
all that might add a couple three bucks.

nancy

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Quoted message said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me --
I
usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close and
convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based
on
the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and
I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to
someone
is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg, which
I
can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not having turkey
(again!) this year.

That *is* a lot. We pay about US$3.50 a pount for organic chickens here
which would make that bird about US$20. Of course, being a European bird it
probably spoke several languages!

--
Peter Aitken

Nancy Young said:

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Quoted message said:

jacqui{JB} said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

Bought one from a farmer nearby - 4.5 pounds for $5.

So, by the time the farmer had someone package it and a market
stock it and sell it, they take their cut, on a grander scale I'd think
all that might add a couple three bucks.

nancy

Nope, the farmer sells it for $5 at their stand, but only gets perhaps
$3 for it wholesale if they're lucky. If the farmers could sell
wholesale for the same prices they can get at their farm stand then the
farmers would be rich and not the packers.

Pete C.

Nancy Young said:

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Quoted message said:

jacqui{JB} said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

Bought one from a farmer nearby - 4.5 pounds for $5.

So, by the time the farmer had someone package it and a market
stock it and sell it, they take their cut, on a grander scale I'd think
all that might add a couple three bucks.

nancy

Nope, the farmer sells it for $5 at their stand, but only gets perhaps
$3 for it wholesale if they're lucky. If the farmers could sell
wholesale for the same prices they can get at their farm stand then the
farmers would be rich and not the packers.

Pete C.

Anita Amaro said:

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Quoted message said:

jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for

me -- I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close

and

Quoted message said:

Ok, dumb question by why do folks refer to grocery stores as
*stupidmarket*? I haven't been able to figure it out. What little
groceries I need, I buy from a m&p (mom & pop) owned small grocery store
or a franchise owned larger grocery store in town. It is a real treat
for me to shop at a really huge grocer store in the city and I really
enjoy browsing through US grocery stores like Farmer Jack. I just don't
get where stupidmarket comes from.

Quoted message said:

convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with

and I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to

someone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

My word that is expensive! I buy free range chickens cleaned and ready
to roast for $5 CDN. The same size grain fed chickens in the grocery
stores are about $8 CDN. I did see organic chicken in one US grocery
store my last trip over. IIRC it was in the 6 lb range for $8 US.

At Field Organics, a stall at my local farmer's market (Waterloo, ON) a
small - like 3-4 pound chicken will cost in the mid $20 range CDN - I kid
you not. I don't buy them, I go a couple stalls down and get the free range
ones.

A.

We've been to the Waterloo and Kitchener farmer's markets quite a few
times. I love going to both! That's an awful price for a 3-4 lb
chicken. That sure wouldn't go far with our size family. I'm so glad I
can get free range chickens for the price I can otherwise I'd be forced
into buying grain fed chicken from the grocery store.

Nancy Young said:

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Quoted message said:

jacqui{JB} said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

Bought one from a farmer nearby - 4.5 pounds for $5.

So, by the time the farmer had someone package it and a market
stock it and sell it, they take their cut, on a grander scale I'd think
all that might add a couple three bucks.

nancy

You're forgetting a whole lot of expenses at getting that chicken to the
grocery store - cost of vehicle for transportation and all associated
expenses, hired labour, etc. If you buy a chicken directly from the
farmer right at his farm he doesn't have any of the other overhead.

"~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Nancy Young wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, by the time the farmer had someone package it and a market
stock it and sell it, they take their cut, on a grander scale I'd think
all that might add a couple three bucks.

Quoted message said:

You're forgetting a whole lot of expenses at getting that chicken to the
grocery store - cost of vehicle for transportation and all associated
expenses, hired labour, etc. If you buy a chicken directly from the
farmer right at his farm he doesn't have any of the other overhead.

Yeah, I just put a couple down, I was pointing out that buying from a
farm isn't really comparable to buying from a store. No chicken farms
around here, I imagine there were a lot of them at one time as NJ was
the egg basket of america or something.

I bought a Bell & Evan's chicken, 5 pounds something, upwards of$12.
I don't see mention of them being organic, but they are much nicer than the
usual supermarket bird:

http://www.bellandevans.com/whoweare.cfm

nancy

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Quoted message said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

About $15 AUS which would be some $11 US.

David

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Quoted message said:

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

About $15 AUS which would be some $11 US.

David

Peter Aitken said:

Of course, being a European bird it
probably spoke several languages!

Yup, and is probably a politically - correct *coward* to boot...

--
Best
Greg

jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and
bought a whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd
refer to as a "proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare
occasion for me -- I usually buy chicken at the local small
stupidmarket, since it's close and convenient. I've noticed
recently, however, that the chicken from the market is declining in
quality and I have the distinct impression, based on the amount of
unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the meat's
being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to
someone is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in
the world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued:
what're you folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the
world these days?

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg,
which I can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not
having turkey (again!) this year.

Generally speaking, in Minneapolis organic food costs about twice as
much as non-organic (with an extra premium for vegan food). However,
the Wedge co-op's organic chicken livers cost less than ordinary
chicken livers in standard supermarkets.

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jacqui{JB} said:

Today, I went to our local ecological (aka organic) butcher and bought a
whole roasting chicken (at roughly 5.5 pounds, what I'd refer to as a
"proper" roasting fowl 🙂). This is a relatively rare occasion for me -- I
usually buy chicken at the local small stupidmarket, since it's close and
convenient. I've noticed recently, however, that the chicken from the
market is declining in quality and I have the distinct impression, based on
the amount of unaccountable liquid in the roasting/frying pan, that the
meat's being "plumped" at the factory (not a situation I'm happy with and I
can't find anything about it on the package -- clearly, a letter to someone
is in order).

Anyway, my 5.5 pound organic bird cost no less that 194.95DKK, roughly
30.70USD. Granted, Copenhagen is one of the most expensive cities in the
world in which to live, but jeez! So my curiosity's piqued: what're you
folks paying for organic chicken in your part of the world these days?

And should I mention the DK-raised, organic turkey (whole), 6-8 kg, which I
can order at a cost of 130DKK per kilo? I think we're not having turkey
(again!) this year.

-j

You can thank your French friends who will fight to the end for every
last euro of farm subsidy and import tariff.

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Émile Zola, Assommoir 1877