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  1. Hi,

    I just got fined £30 for cycling on the pavement. Here is what happened:

    I was on my way back from collecting something. my bike gear cable
    snapped so I was stuck in quite a high gear, making it difficult to
    accelerate. I was on a busy road going uphill in two lanes of traffic.
    Also my gear chain kept slipping, making it a bit difficult to ride in a
    straight line, so I got off the road and onto the pavement, rather than
    risk getting run over.

    I was going along experimenting, trying to get the gear to stay in one
    place so I could at least get home. I was going slowly and I stopped
    before crossing a road. When the traffic cleared I crossed the road to
    the other side of the pavement. A "community support officer" stepped
    out in front of me (he could do this as I was travelling at 2mph tops).
    He just said " you are riding on the pavement, I'm going to give issue
    you with a fine".

    Didn't ask me anything! The fine is £30. Haven't these people got anything
    better to do? I have never spoken to any police before today. I went to
    complain at the local station but they just said I'd have to appeal in
    court and risk incurring costs. Appeal in court? For riding on the pavement
    at 2mph nowhere near anybody???

    His colleague came along and asked me and I admitted I'd been on the
    pavement, but for the reasons I stated above. I showed them both my
    snapped gear cable.

    I normally always cycle on the road. I have never been fined for
    anything, ever!

    Has anyone else experience this? Is it worth appealing, or is that just
    a formality.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ben.

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  2. "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I just got fined £30 for cycling on the pavement. Here is what happened:

    snippity...

    Quoted message said:


    I normally always cycle on the road. I have never been fined for
    anything, ever!

    Has anyone else experience this? Is it worth appealing, or is that just
    a formality.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ben.

    I have no sympathy. Cycling on the footpath is a no-no. If you have a need
    to be there, dismount and push your bike whilst walking alongside it. IMO
    complaining about being done for cycling on the pavement is a bit like a
    speeding motorist complaining about being caught by a speed camera "But
    honest, the road was clear, there was no-one else about! I wasn't harming
    anyone!"

    Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear, but there was nothing stopping
    you pushing your bike...

    Cheers, helen s

  3. How did they ID you? Somehow can't see "Ausweiss, Bitte!" getting them
    too far in the UK...

  4. "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    ...
    I was going along experimenting, trying to get the gear to stay in one
    place so I could at least get home. I was going slowly and I stopped
    before crossing a road. When the traffic cleared I crossed the road to
    the other side of the pavement. A "community support officer" stepped
    out in front of me (he could do this as I was travelling at 2mph tops).
    He just said " you are riding on the pavement, I'm going to give issue
    you with a fine".

    Was this an officer in uniform? If so how come you did not see him and have
    the sense to dismount before he booked you?

  5. "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <snip tale of fine>

    Possibly a bit overzealous - a lot of plod will just tell you to get off
    (BTDT), rather than jumping in with the fine, provided you're not obviously
    taking the [censored]. Community plod may well be keener to fine, since it's
    closer to their job (real plod's job being to keep the place running
    sensibly).

    However the fact remains you were breaking the law, and they are allowed to
    fine you for it, so you're probably stuffed. Next time look out for people
    in uniform.
    (of course if you've got a mechanical problem which requires slow pedalling
    to try and solve, it may be amusing to ask for their help...)

    cheers,
    clive

  6. Without looking in detail is smack of another issue posted by this NG's
    least favourite troll

    But I do agree that, if it is real, it was totally right and correct.

    In my area, around Doncaster- where I cycle daily- I see far more people
    cycling on the pavements than on the roads at all time of the day. And I am
    not talking about children!

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    England, United Kingdom.
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    "sothach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    How did they ID you? Somehow can't see "Ausweiss, Bitte!" getting them
    too far in the UK...

  7. Ben Fitzgerald said:

    Hi,

    I just got fined £30 for cycling on the pavement. Here is what happened:

    [snip]

    Sounds a bit strong given the circumstances. Bad luck.

    I ride on the road but occasionally, I may cut across a bit of path if I
    think that the situation warrants it and doing so presents no inconvenience
    to others. Perhaps I should stop risking it as I don't really fancy a 30
    quid fine :-0

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  8. If it were me I would definitely appeal. There are guidelines issued
    regarding the use of FPN's including by community wardens, and it does
    not seem there were followed. After all if the guidelines on speed
    enforcement are not followed to the letter (and the almost always are)
    motorists are very quick to appeal. I feel you no more deserved a fine
    than a motorist illegally doing 71 Mph on a clear motorway. Imagine the
    outcry if the police started doing that!

    First of all you should quote what Home Office Minister Paul Boeteng
    said when he issued a letter making it clear when FPN's should be used.
    to quote:

    'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
    cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
    traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
    so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
    acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
    are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
    discretion is required.'

    Secondly, I have a letter sent to me from the Home Office regarding
    the Use of FPN's by 'Community wardens which reinforces the above:

    The Home Office
    7th Floor, 50 Queen Anne's Gate, London
    SW1H 9AT

    Telephone: 0870 000 1585
    Fax: 020 7273 2065
    Textphone: 020 7273 3476

    E-mail: publicenquiries (at)homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
    Web Site: www.homeoffice.gov.uk

    Reference: T5080/4 23 February 2004

    Thank you for your e-mail dated 22:01:2004 14:07:11 about cycling on
    the pavement.

    The enforcement of cycling offences is an operational matter for
    individual chief officers of police. The Government wishes to promote
    cycling, but are concerned about irresponsible cycling which cannot be
    condoned.

    One of the key aims in the police reform process is to free up police
    officers for front line operational duties and to harness the work of
    the extended police family in supporting the police in tackling low
    level crime and anti-social behaviour. To help the police deal with
    cyclists who use the pavement inconsiderately or irresponsibly the
    Government included provisions in the Police Reform Act which received
    Royal Assent on 24 July 2002 which will enable Community Support
    Officers (CSOs) and accredited persons to be given the power to issue
    fixed penalty notices for offences such as cycling on the pavement.
    CSOs and accredited persons will be accountable in the same way as
    police officers. They will be under the direction and control of the
    chief officer, supervised on a daily basis by the local community beat
    officer and will be subject to the same police complaints system.

    The Government have included provision in the Anti Social Behaviour
    Bill to enable CSOs and accredited persons to stop those cycling
    irresponsibly on the pavement in order to issue a fixed penalty notice.
    I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the
    pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
    who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
    traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so.
    Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a
    considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone
    under the age of 16.

    The cycling infrastructure and environment are currently under
    improvement as a result of our National Cycling Strategy. We expect
    this improvement to reduce the incentive to cycle on the pavement.

    Yours sincerely

    John Crozier

    So at the very least make a fuss and send them copies of the above. I
    have heard of cases where over-zealous 'Community wardens' have been
    moved on after such complaints have been made. Definitely get onto the
    CTC's legal team if you are a member. At one time they were supposed to
    be monitoring abuses of the use of FPN's such as this.

  9. helen s said:


    "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I just got fined £30 for cycling on the pavement. Here is what happened:

    snippity...

    Quoted message said:


    I normally always cycle on the road. I have never been fined for
    anything, ever!

    Has anyone else experience this? Is it worth appealing, or is that just
    a formality.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ben.

    I have no sympathy. Cycling on the footpath is a no-no. If you have a need
    to be there, dismount and push your bike whilst walking alongside it.

    even if I was just trying to get my gears working? I couldn't do this on
    the road as it was busy. There were no pedestrians!

    Quoted message said:

    IMO complaining about being done for cycling on the pavement is a bit like a
    speeding motorist complaining about being caught by a speed camera "But
    honest, the road was clear, there was no-one else about! I wasn't harming
    anyone!"

    slightly different case. typically this will be a photograph making it
    difficult to validate this claim. in this case the guy knew I wasn't
    causing a danger. he could have used his common sense and I would have
    taken that warning.

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear, but there was nothing stopping
    you pushing your bike...

    well, no but I was just tring to get it going in the hope of getting
    back on the road.

    ben.

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  10. sothach said:

    How did they ID you? Somehow can't see "Ausweiss, Bitte!" getting them
    too far in the UK...

    ah hindsite is a wonderful thing!

    being a law-abiding guy, when asked for my name and address I didn't
    dare lie. he didn't ID me so if I could do it again I would...well!

    cheers,

    ben.

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    Registered Linux user number 339435

  11. Pinky said:

    Without looking in detail is smack of another issue posted by this NG's
    least favourite troll

    no, not trolling. I can imagine this provokes debate. I don't normally
    cycle on the pavement. Why would you want to? on the road is much
    quicker! The only reason I was on there as that one of my gear cables
    had just snapped and I was trying to get it going reasonably before
    joining the road again. I must have done 75 yards of pavement at most.

    Quoted message said:

    But I do agree that, if it is real, it was totally right and correct.

    In my area, around Doncaster- where I cycle daily- I see far more people
    cycling on the pavements than on the roads at all time of the day. And I am
    not talking about children!

    ben.

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    Registered Linux user number 339435

  12. Adrian Boliston said:

    "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    I was going along experimenting, trying to get the gear to stay in one
    place so I could at least get home. I was going slowly and I stopped
    before crossing a road. When the traffic cleared I crossed the road to
    the other side of the pavement. A "community support officer" stepped
    out in front of me (he could do this as I was travelling at 2mph tops).
    He just said " you are riding on the pavement, I'm going to give issue
    you with a fine".

    Was this an officer in uniform? If so how come you did not see him and have
    the sense to dismount before he booked you?

    didn't think about it. never been stopped for anything. just trying to
    get my gears going, with nobody near me, slowly, and not causing a
    problem.

    on the way home, having got into a reasonable gear and back on the road,
    I was paranoid and noticed loads of police then!

    ben

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    Registered Linux user number 339435

  13. Ben Fitzgerald said:

    Hi,

    I just got fined £30 for cycling on the pavement. Here is what happened:

    Did you have to pay cash or just give them a false name and address
    so they can invoice someone else later?

    --
    Eiron

    I have no spirit to play with you; your dearth of judgment renders you
    tedious - Ben Jonson.

  14. "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    even if I was just trying to get my gears working? I couldn't do this on
    the road as it was busy. There were no pedestrians!

    Cycling on the footpath is a no-no. By whinging about it it's just the same
    logic used as speeders getting done by a speed camera and then moaning that
    they've been done for only a couple of mph over the limit and it's about
    time plod got on with the business of catching the real criminals.

    Sorry, but that's how I feel about it. Grown men & women don't cycle on the
    footpath.

    Cheers, helen s

  15. Hey, how many different names are you going to have today??

  16. Ben Fitzgerald said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have no sympathy. Cycling on the footpath is a no-no. If you have a need
    to be there, dismount and push your bike whilst walking alongside it.

    even if I was just trying to get my gears working? I couldn't do this on
    the road as it was busy.

    I'm sorry, but this sounds very dubious.

    You claim your gear cable had snapped and left you in a high gear.

    This doesn't sit easily with your claim that you were "just trying to
    get your gears working". No amount of cycling is going to
    miraculously repair a snapped gear cable.

    R.

  17. Ben Fitzgerald said:

    Hi,

    I just got fined £30 for cycling on the pavement. Here is what happened:

    <snip>

    I had a snapped gear cable early in the year; when I was about 20km from
    home. I didn't feel the need to cycle on the pavement - not that there
    are any around here!

    Cycling in a high gear is Hard Work, but I don't think it justifies
    breaking the law. I guess it was one of those "victimless" crimes that
    we hear so much about in uk.transport...

    --
    Chris

  18. Richard said:

    Ben Fitzgerald wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    even if I was just trying to get my gears working? I couldn't do this on
    the road as it was busy.

    I'm sorry, but this sounds very dubious.

    You claim your gear cable had snapped and left you in a high gear.

    This doesn't sit easily with your claim that you were "just trying to
    get your gears working". No amount of cycling is going to
    miraculously repair a snapped gear cable.

    Quite. I've been trying to visualise how I would get into a lower gear
    by cycling on the pavement (or anywhere else). If either front or rear
    cable went I can't see how I would improve the situation without getting
    off and getting my fingers oily by forcing the derailleur while spinning
    a pedal.

    Another tall tale I reckon.
    --
    Brian G

  19. Clive George said:

    "Ben Fitzgerald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip tale of fine>

    Possibly a bit overzealous - a lot of plod will just tell you to get off
    (BTDT), rather than jumping in with the fine, provided you're not obviously
    taking the [censored].

    quite. If I'd been racing between mums with prams (which I would never
    do) I would expect a fine.

    Quoted message said:

    Community plod may well be keener to fine, since it's closer to their job


    (real plod's job being to keep the place running sensibly).

    Quoted message said:


    However the fact remains you were breaking the law, and they are allowed to
    fine you for it, so you're probably stuffed. Next time look out for people
    in uniform.

    yes, if all police applied all laws to the letter, what a great world
    that would be! I agree that as the appeal will interpret to the letter I
    am probably stuffed and will have to pay the fine. it's not the £30,
    it's the principle given the circumstance.

    Quoted message said:

    (of course if you've got a mechanical problem which requires slow pedalling
    to try and solve, it may be amusing to ask for their help...)

    yes, but I'd have to be quick given that this guys first words were to
    the effect "stop, I'm going to have to fine you".

    ah well! I am amazed but that's life. at least it's friday.

    ben.

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    Registered Linux user number 339435

  20. Damn, I've been away from home for too long, wtf is a "community
    support officer" and when did it become illegal to ride on the
    pavement?

    My old commute across Reading used to involve pavement, parks, carparks
    and the road, which I guess is all a big no-no now.

    Sorry you got caught.

    Laters,

    Marz

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