Christmas question?

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>>>> Knit Chic wrote:
>>>>> If you celebrate Christmas:
>>>>> Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day?
>>>>> Do you also make a big Christmas breakfast?
>>>>> Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a
>>>>> smallish dinner. My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something
>>>>> very simple for breakfast. Last year I did both and it seemed a
>>>>> little much ... not sure what I'm going to do this year.
>>>>>
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>>>> For us it depends on family schedual. My suggestion would be -
>>>> large dinner christmas eve, big christmas breakfast - nibbles for
>>>> dinner. This is what we will be doing this year because my mother
>>>> has to work Christmas day.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that both a large breakfast AND a large dinner in the same
>>>> day are just too much. (not to mention all the dish washing you'd do
>>>> AND spending the entire day in the kitchen)
>>>>
>>>> Roberta (in VA)
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>>> We use to eat fish at dinner of 24. Meat at lunch of 25. Of course we
>>> eat also pasta or ricotto, entrée, side dish and cakes (generally
>>> panettone).
>>> Cheers
>>> pan
>>>
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>> Got a good penettone recipe? I need to make tiramisu next week.
>
> How do you do make penettone at other
> times of the year?
> And, what does it matter how other people make penettone? You might get
> recipes from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
> possible sources
> of advice.
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>

I've bought the penettone locally. And, the rest of your post is
irrelevant.

it's about as relevant as your rude post to me ... after all, they are
your words.

We're talking about a recipe, not the broad category of meal planning.

check the name of the news group. if you want a recipe group only, there is
a group for that. I didn't ask for a recipie anyway ...

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year I did both and it seemed a little much " So change it! If you make
too big a dinner tonight, what will you do?

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If you celebrate Christmas:
Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day? Do
you also make a big Christmas breakfast?
Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a smallish
dinner. My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something very simple
for breakfast. Last year I did both and it seemed a little much ... not
sure what I'm going to do this year.

I'm in curmudgeon mode:

You're asking about menu planning. How do you do menu planning at other
times of the year? Do the two of you discuss what to eat, and how much?
These are decisions which are internal to your home, not anyone else's.
Why is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in
your home? And, what does it matter how other people eat? You might get
opinions from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
possible sources of advice.

You and I have different perspectives on the question. I assumed the OP
was interested in others' traditions, not asking for advice as to what to
do.

exactly.
thank you.

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For my family, it's light snacks and goodies on Christmas Eve. Nothing
much for breakfast on Christmas morning since we're all in different
households but a large dinner with plenty of pre-dinner snacking available
for Christmas Day. All of which is followed by an "I can't believe I ate
the whole thing" coma :-)

TammyM

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>>>>> Knit Chic wrote:
>>>>>> If you celebrate Christmas:
>>>>>> Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas
>>>>>> Day? Do you also make a big Christmas breakfast?
>>>>>> Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a
>>>>>> smallish dinner. My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something
>>>>>> very simple for breakfast. Last year I did both and it seemed a
>>>>>> little much ... not sure what I'm going to do this year.
>>>>>>
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>>>>> For us it depends on family schedual. My suggestion would be -
>>>>> large dinner christmas eve, big christmas breakfast - nibbles for
>>>>> dinner. This is what we will be doing this year because my mother
>>>>> has to work Christmas day.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that both a large breakfast AND a large dinner in the same
>>>>> day are just too much. (not to mention all the dish washing you'd
>>>>> do AND spending the entire day in the kitchen)
>>>>>
>>>>> Roberta (in VA)
>>>>
>>>> We use to eat fish at dinner of 24. Meat at lunch of 25. Of course
>>>> we eat also pasta or ricotto, entrée, side dish and cakes (generally
>>>> panettone).
>>>> Cheers
>>>> pan
>>>>
>>>
>>> Got a good penettone recipe? I need to make tiramisu next week.
>>
>> How do you do make penettone at other
>> times of the year?
>> And, what does it matter how other people make penettone? You might
>> get recipes from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
>> possible sources
>> of advice.
>>
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> I've bought the penettone locally. And, the rest of your post is
> irrelevant.

it's about as relevant as your rude post to me ... after all, they are
your words.

We're talking about a recipe, not the broad category of meal planning.

check the name of the news group. if you want a recipe group only, there
is a group for that. I didn't ask for a recipie anyway ...

"Last

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year I did both and it seemed a little much " So change it! If you make
too big a dinner tonight, what will you do?

You're comparing a recipe request to a request for advice on what to do
about cooking or eating too much. Is that right?

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is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in your
home?

I have no idea ... I'm not the Christian in the family.
nothing wrong w/ finding out what other ppl do for Christmas ... your
right .. curmudgeon is a good word for you.

The main complaint in your original message seemed to involve the amount
of food.

not what I said.

That seems like an issue easily solved with one's own resources.

one of those resources is this NG

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Reminds me of a short message someone posted a few months ago. "Can you
make lasagna at home? How?"

Well, I had nothing to do w/that .. but some people have no idea how to cook
.... if they don't ask .. they wont know.

Knit Chic said:

If you celebrate Christmas:
Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day? Do you
also make a big Christmas breakfast?
Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a smallish dinner.
My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something very simple for breakfast.
Last year I did both and it seemed a little much ... not sure what I'm going
to do this year.

We have a Christmas brunch, and then we go to my mother's for a huge dinner. We
did Christmas dinner here a few years ago and cut back on the brunch, made it
more of a breakfast. It was just too much cooking and cleaning.
My son has a favourite coffee cake that he likes to have, from the Better Homes
and Gardens children's cook book.

Doug said:

I'm in curmudgeon mode:

I think "[censored]" is a more accurate term for what you write below.

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You're asking about menu planning. How do you do menu planning at other
times of the year? Do the two of you discuss what to eat, and how much?
These are decisions which are internal to your home, not anyone else's.
Why is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in
your home? And, what does it matter how other people eat? You might get
opinions from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
possible sources of advice.

In case it escaped your attention, Christmas is a social occasion, not just
a religious one. On occasions of that nature, people want to PLEASE their
loved ones and guests. They compare notes with others because they might run
across an idea that they can use in their own celebrations.

Is the concept of celebration completely alien to you? Is the concept of
pleasing your loved ones beyond your comprehension? And why does the body
shape of the people giving advice make them "good" or "bad" sources of
information? Each person has the ability to make their own choices and
evaluate the information they receive; the attributes of the person giving
the advice are irrelevant. For example, if you ever post anything related
to COOKING, I'll be just as receptive as I would have before you disclosed
that you're a [censored]. Or is it just that you're bitter about having no
loved ones or friends?

"Hey everybody, let's go to Doug's house for Christmas dinner! He's going to
have bean sprouts and boiled jicama with cucumber! And later, he'll
masturbate!"

Bob

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Knit Chic said:

If you celebrate Christmas:
Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day? Do
you
also make a big Christmas breakfast?
Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a smallish
dinner.
My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something very simple for
breakfast.
Last year I did both and it seemed a little much ... not sure what I'm
going
to do this year.

We have a Christmas brunch, and then we go to my mother's for a huge
dinner. We
did Christmas dinner here a few years ago and cut back on the brunch, made
it
more of a breakfast. It was just too much cooking and cleaning.
My son has a favourite coffee cake that he likes to have, from the Better
Homes
and Gardens children's cook book.

I used to have a Betty Crocker Childrens cookbook. ... I forgot about it
(but loved it when I was a kid). I wonder if it's still out there, my 6
year old would love it for Christmas. I'll check it out.
Thanks for the reminder.

Knit Chic said:

Yep, that was me last year .. way to much time in the kitchen, I like to
cook, but our house isn't set up so that I can interact w/ the non-cookers
of the family.

It could be worse..... two full Christmas dinners in a day. That's what my two
older brothers have had to do for years. Both had to go to in-laws for a noon
time dinner and then to my parent's for a 6 pm dinner. One of them now just
does dinner at home and has his MiL, wife's aunt and brother, and his own family
of four with their spouses. He finds the day more pleasant that way. The other
brother still does the 2 dinner deal.

Doug Kanter said:

The main complaint in your original message seemed to involve the amount of
food. That seems like an issue easily solved with one's own resources.
Reminds me of a short message someone posted a few months ago. "Can you make
lasagna at home? How?"

That's easy. Get a recipe. Byt the ingredients. Follw the instructions :-)

Knit Chic wrote to Doug "[censored]" Kanter:

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How do you do make penettone at other times of the year?
And, what does it matter how other people make penettone? You might get
recipes from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
possible sources of advice.

ROTFL! Thanks for that.

Bob

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Doug Kanter said:

The main complaint in your original message seemed to involve the amount
of
food. That seems like an issue easily solved with one's own resources.
Reminds me of a short message someone posted a few months ago. "Can you
make
lasagna at home? How?"

That's easy. Get a recipe. Byt the ingredients. Follw the instructions
:-)

Exactly, although nobody had a clue as to whether the person wanted to make
the noodles from flour and other ingredients, or buy the noodles and make
the actual dish. We never found out.

Bob Terwilliger said:

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I'm in curmudgeon mode:

I think "[censored]" is a more accurate term for what you write below.

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You're asking about menu planning. How do you do menu planning at other
times of the year? Do the two of you discuss what to eat, and how much?
These are decisions which are internal to your home, not anyone else's.
Why is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in
your home? And, what does it matter how other people eat? You might get
opinions from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
possible sources of advice.

In case it escaped your attention, Christmas is a social occasion, not just
a religious one. On occasions of that nature, people want to PLEASE their
loved ones and guests. They compare notes with others because they might run
across an idea that they can use in their own celebrations.

A friend of mine was really upset about the cancelling of the Christmas concert
at the school. He used to direct it and it was one of his favourite
extracurricular activity. He thought that it was a time to express feelings of
peace and friendship and couldn't see how anyone could take offence. And he is a
Jew.

Christmas stopped being a Christian holiday a long time ago for most people.
It's about partying and gift giving. It's a season to be jolly. Sure, there are
still some people who celebrate it as the birth of Jesus, but most of them are
into the party thing too.

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Doug said:

I'm in curmudgeon mode:

I think "[censored]" is a more accurate term for what you write below.

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You're asking about menu planning. How do you do menu planning at other
times of the year? Do the two of you discuss what to eat, and how much?
These are decisions which are internal to your home, not anyone else's.
Why is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in
your home? And, what does it matter how other people eat? You might get
opinions from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
possible sources of advice.

In case it escaped your attention, Christmas is a social occasion, not
just
a religious one. On occasions of that nature, people want to PLEASE their
loved ones and guests. They compare notes with others because they might
run
across an idea that they can use in their own celebrations.

Is the concept of celebration completely alien to you? Is the concept of
pleasing your loved ones beyond your comprehension? And why does the body
shape of the people giving advice make them "good" or "bad" sources of
information? Each person has the ability to make their own choices and
evaluate the information they receive; the attributes of the person giving
the advice are irrelevant. For example, if you ever post anything related
to COOKING, I'll be just as receptive as I would have before you disclosed
that you're a [censored]. Or is it just that you're bitter about having no
loved ones or friends?

"Hey everybody, let's go to Doug's house for Christmas dinner! He's going
to
have bean sprouts and boiled jicama with cucumber! And later, he'll
masturbate!"

Bob

My interpretation was that she was concerned about the results of the
cooking being "a bit much", as she described her husband's reaction. To me,
that means QUANTITY. Too much food. Given a choice, you would not consult
someone who was obese about adjusting food quantities.

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If you celebrate Christmas:
Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day? Do
you also make a big Christmas breakfast?
Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a smallish
dinner. My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something very simple for
breakfast. Last year I did both and it seemed a little much ... not sure
what I'm going to do this year.

I like to cook dinner on Christmas Eve, because my husband doesn't often
eat dinner with us. I don't make a big, fancy, "traditional" holiday
meal, though (as in turkey or prime rib). Just a very nice dinner with
something that everyone likes (e.g. some really nice steaks). I like to
decorate the table for Christmas, use the china, etc. It's just the five
of us....me, hubby, and the three kidlets. I have to whip up this meal
after Christmas Eve service, so I keep it simple.

For Christmas breakfast, I like to make one yummy thing (e.g.
cranberry-tangerine scones, or muffins) because it's my birthday. :-)
I'll take scones over cake any day.

Lucky dog that I am, I don't have to cook another meal that day. We head
to my in-law's house at lunchtime. My mohter-in-law used to cook a big
fancy dinner, but the last few years, my father=in=law has insisted that
we not have the big meal. Instead, she makes a big pot of soup, they put
out croissants, breads, ham, cheese, and people can eat whenever they
want. We (the middle generation) all contribute appetizers, salads,
desserts, etc. I know my mother-in-law would rather do the big meal
thing, but honestly, I prefer the soup meal. We have fancy dinners there
all year long, but I only get to taste her delicious soup on Christmas, so
it's a real treat!

Here's wishing you a happy solution to your dilemma.

Chris

oh .. I love the soup idea.
Sounds wonderful to me .. but then again, I love soup.
What kind does she make?
My B-Day is 2 days before Christmas ... and I agree w/ you on the scones!

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Doug said:

I'm in curmudgeon mode:

I think "[censored]" is a more accurate term for what you write below.

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You're asking about menu planning. How do you do menu planning at other
times of the year? Do the two of you discuss what to eat, and how much?
These are decisions which are internal to your home, not anyone else's.
Why is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in
your home? And, what does it matter how other people eat? You might get
opinions from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
possible sources of advice.

In case it escaped your attention, Christmas is a social occasion, not
just
a religious one. On occasions of that nature, people want to PLEASE
their
loved ones and guests. They compare notes with others because they might
run
across an idea that they can use in their own celebrations.

Is the concept of celebration completely alien to you? Is the concept of
pleasing your loved ones beyond your comprehension? And why does the
body
shape of the people giving advice make them "good" or "bad" sources of
information? Each person has the ability to make their own choices and
evaluate the information they receive; the attributes of the person
giving
the advice are irrelevant. For example, if you ever post anything
related
to COOKING, I'll be just as receptive as I would have before you
disclosed
that you're a [censored]. Or is it just that you're bitter about having no
loved ones or friends?

"Hey everybody, let's go to Doug's house for Christmas dinner! He's going
to
have bean sprouts and boiled jicama with cucumber! And later, he'll
masturbate!"

Bob

My interpretation was that she was concerned about the results of the
cooking being "a bit much", as she described her husband's reaction.

exactly where did I describe my husbands reaction?

To me,

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that means QUANTITY. Too much food. Given a choice, you would not consult
someone who was obese about adjusting food quantities.

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Doug wrote:

> I'm in curmudgeon mode:

I think "[censored]" is a more accurate term for what you write below.

> You're asking about menu planning. How do you do menu planning at other
> times of the year? Do the two of you discuss what to eat, and how much?
> These are decisions which are internal to your home, not anyone else's.
> Why is the birth of someone 2005 years ago related to menu planning in
> your home? And, what does it matter how other people eat? You might get
> opinions from people who are obese and would therefore be the worst
> possible sources of advice.

In case it escaped your attention, Christmas is a social occasion, not
just
a religious one. On occasions of that nature, people want to PLEASE
their
loved ones and guests. They compare notes with others because they might
run
across an idea that they can use in their own celebrations.

Is the concept of celebration completely alien to you? Is the concept of
pleasing your loved ones beyond your comprehension? And why does the
body
shape of the people giving advice make them "good" or "bad" sources of
information? Each person has the ability to make their own choices and
evaluate the information they receive; the attributes of the person
giving
the advice are irrelevant. For example, if you ever post anything
related
to COOKING, I'll be just as receptive as I would have before you
disclosed
that you're a [censored]. Or is it just that you're bitter about having
no
loved ones or friends?

"Hey everybody, let's go to Doug's house for Christmas dinner! He's
going to
have bean sprouts and boiled jicama with cucumber! And later, he'll
masturbate!"

Bob

My interpretation was that she was concerned about the results of the
cooking being "a bit much", as she described her husband's reaction.

exactly where did I describe my husbands reaction?

You're right - I misread. You just said "a bit much".

Knit Chic said:

If you celebrate Christmas:
Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day?
Do you also make a big Christmas breakfast?
Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a smallish
dinner. My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something very simple
for breakfast. Last year I did both and it seemed a little much ...
not sure what I'm going to do this year.

IIRC, with my family when I was a child we always starved to death until
Christmas "dinner" was served mid-day on Christmas. Then it was a big meal
but much like Thanksgiving - turkey and/or ham.

I don't celebrate Christmas anymore. I give a nod to the season by hanging
a wreath on my front door but am just as likely to have pizza on December
25th as anything else.

Jill

Dimitri said:

Big Breakfast early
Gigantic Xmas dinner about 4:00.
Leftovers and more dessert about 10:00.
Comatose sleep till New Years Eve morning

Dimitri

Small Breakfast, hugh dinner about 2 P.M.. After sundown possibly some
latkes for late snack. Mixed household.

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Dimitri said:

Big Breakfast early
Gigantic Xmas dinner about 4:00.
Leftovers and more dessert about 10:00.
Comatose sleep till New Years Eve morning

Dimitri

Small Breakfast, hugh dinner about 2 P.M.. After sundown possibly some
latkes for late snack. Mixed household.

Christmas Eve Breakfast:

Fresh Onion bagels
Blueberry and Cinnamon Raisin Bagels (for the goyem)
Lots of Lox
Cream cheese
Sliced Bermuda or red onion
Sliced Tomato
Swiss cheese
Sweet Butter
Preserves (also for the goyem)
Orange Juice
Coffee (Barley's and 1/2& 1/2 on the side)
Bloody Mary's for those who want it.

:-)

Dimitri

Wayne Boatwright said:

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Roberta said:

Knit Chic wrote:
> If you celebrate Christmas:
> Do you go all out and make a big Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day?
> Do you also make a big Christmas breakfast?
> Personally I like having a nice Christmas Breakfast, with a smallish
> dinner. My husband likes having a big dinner w/ something very simple
> for breakfast. Last year I did both and it seemed a little much ...
> not sure what I'm going to do this year.
>
>

For us it depends on family schedual. My suggestion would be - large
dinner christmas eve, big christmas breakfast - nibbles for dinner.
This is what we will be doing this year because my mother has to work
Christmas day.

I agree that both a large breakfast AND a large dinner in the same day
are just too much. (not to mention all the dish washing you'd do AND
spending the entire day in the kitchen)

Roberta (in VA)

BIG dinner! Who cares about breakfast?
I'm locked in anyway. Last year, a little before Christmas, I asked my
middle son (25 yrs) if there would be a lynching if I decided not to
make Sauerbraten for Christmas dinner (which I've made since they were
little). His reply was, "That would be the best you could hope for". I
guess that settles it!

Ooh, ooh, could you share your Sauerbraten recipe? I have several, but I
always like trying another one. If you've been making it for years, that
about as good as it can get. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Wayne,
It is one of my best. Or, I should say, Good Housekeeping's best. I got
it out of an old
GH cookbook and have modified it a bit over the years. I get nothing
but raves on it. After I first started making it, I ordered Sauerbraten
out whenever I could to compare. I couldn't find Sauerbraten in a
restaurant to compare with this recipe.

Sauerbraten Recipe
Adapted From Good Housekeeping Cookbook, 1973

1 ½ cups red wine vinegar
½ cup red table or dessert wine
4 medium onions, sliced
2 tablespoons sugar
4 bay leaves
whole cloves
salt
mustard seed
peppercorns
1 - 4 lb. Brisket
3 Tblsp all purpose flour
2 Tblsp oil of choice
1 cup fine gingersnap crumbs
1 cup sour cream (optional, but only if you'll settle for something
half as good)

2 to 4 days before serving (4 is better):
1. For marinade, in large bowl, combine vinegar with 1 cup water, wine,
3 of the sliced onions, sugar, bay leaves, 2 tspns cloves, 2 tspns
salt, 1 tspn mustard seed and ½ tspn peppercorns.
2. add brisket, turning to coat with marinade. Cover and refrigerate 2
to 4 days, turning meat each day.

About 5 hours before serving:
3. Remove meat; dry well with paper towels. Strain and reserve
marinade. On waxed paper, coat meat with seasoned (salt and pepper)
flour.
4. In Dutch oven over medium-high heat, in hot oil, cook meat until
well browned on all sides, about 15 to 20 minutes. Remove meat from
Dutch oven and pour off all but 1 tblsp drippings. (with brisket, there
usually isn't as much drippings, just use what there is)
5. To drippings in Dutch oven, add remaining onion and cook over medium
heat, stirring frequently, until tender crisp, about 3 minutes. Add ¾
cup reserve marinade, 1 ½ tspns salt, 1 tspn cloves, ½ tspn mustard
seed and 1 tspn peppercorns and meat; heat to boiling. Reduce heat to
low; cover and simmer 4 hours or until meat is fork-tender (about 1 hr
per lb.), turning occasionally.
6. Place meat on warm platter, slice if desired; keep warm. Into small
bowl, strain liquid from Dutch oven; let stand until fat separates.
Spoon off fat, then return liquid to Dutch oven (there should be about
2 cups (if not, I make it up with reserve marinade.) Add 1 cup reserve
marinade and ginger snaps to liquid in Dutch oven.
7. Over medium-high heat, heat mixture to boiling, cook, stirring
constantly, until mixture is thickened. With wire wisk, stir in sour
cream; heat (do not boil). If necessary, season to taste with salt and
pepper. Spoon some gravy over meat; serve rest separately. Makes 10 to
12 servings.

Over the days, as the meat marinates, it fills the house with the smell
of vinegar and onions and spices. It's one of the best parts of
Christmas for me.
Oh, and the 10 - 12 servings. Not if you have 3 boys in their 20's,
like I do. There haven't been leftovers for years, which I miss!
Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. Let me know how it compares with
other recipes. Who knows, maybe you have one that's even better!
Happy Holidays!