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  1. Quoted message said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Pramesh Rutajit said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    > Don Kirkman wrote:
    >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
    >> article <[email hidden]>:
    >>
    >> >"Ma¢k" wrote:
    >>
    >> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:40:46 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
    >> >> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
    >>
    >> >> >Well said, and thank you Andrew.
    >>
    >> >> enjoy the feast of Mithras.
    >>
    >> >Those who call it Christmas continue to celebrate Christ's birth
    >> >although you might eat your heart out in despair and bitterness.
    >>
    >> Nevertheless, the consensus of Christian scholarship is that the birth
    >> was in the Spring or Summer or even in early Autumn, probably around 6
    >> or 7 BCE; the birth was apparently first celebrated by Christians in the
    >> 4th century; even today some Christians celebrate the birth on days
    >> other than the Roman feast day of December 25; and the celebration of
    >> Christmas was forbidden in some Protestant groups and was not practiced
    >> in the US until the 18th Century (begun by German immigrants).
    >> http://www.victorious.org/chur67.htm
    >
    > When the LORD judges you, He will be peering into your heart and not
    > into the hearts of others.

    Isa. 5: 20

    The LORD blesses those who know Him to be kind, just, and right.

    The LORD will bring woe to those who call Him evil in keeping with
    Isaiah 5:20.

    May you have the wisdom to repent, dear Pramesh, in LORD Jesus' most
    precious and holy name.

    Andrew, many theologians believe that Jesus was part of a plot by Satan
    to confuse and divert people from worshiping the ONE true God.

    Many, including theologians, are unable to discern the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps
    you should mend your ways and direct your worship toward the ONE true
    God, instead of doubtful substitutes.

    It is through GOD's Son that the LORD is known to those who have placed
    their faith in Him. Salvation is available only through faith in
    Christ's redemption of our sins, the LORD's infinite grace and His kind
    mercy (John 3:16-21)

    "Because you know Me, you now know My heavenly Father Who sent Me." --
    LORD Jesus Christ.

    Quoted message said:

    Bless you

    The LORD has blessed me in countless manifold ways.

    Quoted message said:

    and may you save yourself before it's too late.

    The LORD has saved me:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

    Just as He has saved others who have placed their faith in Him:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgdch

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  2. Andrew, the commandments are plain. You are violating the first two.
    Backsliding into polytheism will condemn you to the ONE true God's
    wrath.

    1] I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods.

    [God is above humans and animals. God does NOT have an array of "sons"
    and "wives" and specialized helpers.]

    2] Thou shalt not make any image of me, bow to it or worship it.

    [Every time you bow to a cross or a statue of jesus or the other lesser
    "gods" you are insulting the ONE true God.]

    Go in peace, and mend your ways before it is too late.

  3. Quoted message said:


    Andrew, the commandments are plain.

    Yes, they are.

    Quoted message said:

    You are violating the first two.

    Actually, it remains my choice to continue obeying the LORD.

    Quoted message said:

    Backsliding into polytheism will condemn you to the ONE true God's
    wrath.

    The LORD Almighty is the ONE true GOD.

    Quoted message said:

    1] I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods.

    [God is above humans and animals. God does NOT have an array of "sons"
    and "wives" and specialized helpers.]

    [Yes, the LORD is the Almighty. Moreover, He also has a Son, Who is His
    only begotten Son and Whose name is Jesus. And, He has a Spirit, Who is
    the Great Comforter, and Whose name is the Holy Spirit]

    GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Spirit are ONE and the
    same just as me, myself, and I are one and the same.

    "Because you know Me, you now also know My Father in heaven Who sent
    Me." -- LORD Jesus Christ

    Quoted message said:

    2] Thou shalt not make any image of me, bow to it or worship it.

    So commanded the LORD.

    Quoted message said:

    [Every time you bow to a cross or a statue of jesus or the other lesser
    "gods" you are insulting the ONE true God.]

    [And so you choose to bear false witness]

    Quoted message said:

    Go in peace,

    The LORD has given me His peace which passes all understanding.

    Quoted message said:

    and mend your ways before it is too late.

    Only the LORD can take away your sins, dear Ken.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  4. Andrew,
    Most of your reply consists of chants. This something common in the
    victims of cults of various types, needing deprogramming. You repeat a
    proposition, without addressing the illogic embodied in worshipping
    various entities, while pretending not to violate the ONE true God's
    First Commandment: "I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods".

    Quoted message said:


    [Yes, the LORD is the Almighty. Moreover, He also has a Son, Who is His

    only begotten Son and Whose name is Jesus. And, He has a Spirit, Who is

    the Great Comforter, and Whose name is the Holy Spirit]
    <

    You are reducing the ONE true God's condition to that of a human, or an
    animal, which has offspring and mates and so forth. Do you really
    believe God copulated with the "virgin" mary, like some farmyard goat?

    You claim there is only one god, illogically embodying the separate
    entity of jesus, but fail to even address the ensuing violation of the
    ONE true God's Second Commandment forbidding idolatry, in bowing to
    crosses, wearing crucifixes and so forth.

    If your worship of jesus were not a sin, the mislogic embodied in your
    statements would not be so plain. You have been brainwashed into a
    blasphemous condition.

    There is only ONE true God Andrew. I will pray for you to find the
    strength to throw off your shackles.
    Please do not reply with a littany of chants.

  5. Quoted message said:


    Andrew,
    Most of your reply consists of chants.

    If you are hearing chants, would suggest you inform your doctor that you
    are suffering from auditory hallucinations.

    Quoted message said:

    This something common in the
    victims of cults of various types, needing deprogramming.

    Actually, your hearing chants may indicate a need for antipsychotic
    medications.

    Quoted message said:

    You repeat a
    proposition, without addressing the illogic embodied in worshipping
    various entities, while pretending not to violate the ONE true God's
    First Commandment: "I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods".

    The LORD guides me in all that I say, do, or write.

    Quoted message said:

    [Yes, the LORD is the Almighty. Moreover, He also has a Son, Who is His

    only begotten Son and Whose name is Jesus. And, He has a Spirit, Who is

    the Great Comforter, and Whose name is the Holy Spirit]
    <

    You are reducing the ONE true God's condition to that of a human, or an
    animal, which has offspring and mates and so forth.

    "And HE will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting
    Father, Prince of Peace." -- Isaiah

    The LORD Almighty has many names but remains ONE GOD.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you really
    believe God copulated with the "virgin" mary, like some farmyard goat?

    It remains my choice to keep my faith in the LORD and His Word.

    Quoted message said:

    You claim there is only one god,

    The LORD Almighty is GOD.

    Quoted message said:

    illogically embodying the separate
    entity of jesus,

    Logic is subordinate to the truth.

    The LORD is the way, the truth, and the life.

    Quoted message said:

    but fail to even address the ensuing violation of the
    ONE true God's Second Commandment forbidding idolatry, in bowing to
    crosses, wearing crucifixes and so forth.

    There is much sin in this world. The sins of others will not save you
    from your own sins, dear Ken:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

    Quoted message said:

    If your worship of jesus were not a sin, the mislogic embodied in your
    statements would not be so plain.

    LORD Jesus Christ is GOD. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are
    ONE and the same.

    Quoted message said:

    You have been brainwashed into a
    blasphemous condition.

    In your opinion.

    Quoted message said:

    There is only ONE true God Andrew.

    Correct. And it remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD,
    Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I will pray for you to find the
    strength to throw off your shackles.

    All the strength that I have comes from the LORD.

    Quoted message said:

    Please do not reply with a littany of chants.

    It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  6. Andrew,
    Again, most of your reply consists of chants, mixed in with some
    nastiness. Hysteria.

    Again, I say this is something common in the victims of cults of
    various types, needing deprogramming.

    And again, you repeat a proposition, without addressing the illogic
    embodied in worshipping
    various entities, while pretending not to violate the ONE true God's
    First Commandment: "I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods".

    In the name of the ONE true God, get help. Say to the cultism: "get
    thee behind me".

  7. Quoted message said:


    Andrew,
    Again, most of your reply consists of chants, mixed in with some
    nastiness. Hysteria.

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I say this is something common in the victims of cults of
    various types, needing deprogramming.

    In your opinion.

    Quoted message said:

    And again, you repeat a proposition, without addressing the illogic
    embodied in worshipping
    various entities, while pretending not to violate the ONE true God's
    First Commandment: "I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods".

    The LORD Almighty has many names including:

    Great Comforter
    Prince of Peace
    Heavenly Father
    Holy Spirit
    Jehovah
    LORD Jesus Christ

    Quoted message said:

    In the name of the ONE true God, get help.

    The LORD continues to sustain me.

    Quoted message said:

    Say to the cultism: "get
    thee behind me".

    Get thee behind me, satan, and leave Ken alone, in LORD Jesus' most
    precious and holy name.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  8. Andy -

    Buddhism has a mug the inscription is: "WAKE UP"

    Apparently you are still "ASLEEP".

    By way Buddhism said GOD doesn't exist.

    Vipassana, or insight meditation, emphasizes a calm, centered awareness of
    mind and body leading to a fresh perspective on oneself, others, and life.
    With practice, the sources of internal and external conflict, confusion, and
    psychological and physical suffering are understood, seen through, and
    transcended. As mental peace is refined, warmth, kindness and compassion
    towards oneself and all beings naturally arise from these profound
    realizations uncovered by the practice. Dissatisfaction, anger, fear,
    restlessness and greed drop away. The sense that there is not enough time,
    peace, love and harmony begins to evaporate and is replaced by the
    experience of a purposeful, balanced, and fulfilled life.

    Actually, in truth there isn't anything to human beings. Whatever we may be
    it's only in the realm of appearances. If we take away the apparent and see
    the Transcendent we see that there isn't anything there. There are simply
    the universal characteristics -- birth in the beginning, change in the
    middle and cessation in the end. This is all there is. If we see that all
    things are like this then no problems arise. If we understand this we will
    have contentment and peace.

    - Ajahn Chah

    An important question is, "Why should manifested life at different stages of
    evolution emerge out of the Absolute Reality which is infinite?" The answer
    is that manifested life arises out of the impetus in the Absolute to become
    conscious of itself.

    - Meher Baba

    You live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is reality, but you
    do not know this.
    When you understand this, you will see that you are nothing.

    And being nothing, you are everything.
    That is all.

    - Kalu Rinpoche'

    The only way to bring peace to the earth is to learn to make our
    own life peaceful.
    No one outside ourselves can rule us inwardly. When we know this,
    we become free.

    - Buddha

    Karma means you don't get away with anything.

    - Buddha

    "Reality is an Illusion"

    "And the basic idea of being reborn is that you erase the memory.

    Everyone is interconnected, and you're working out your karma with people -

    so you get erased, but all of the work left undone has to be completed."

    - Uma Thurman

    Meditation is not thinking about things.

    - Joseph Goldstein

    Wisdom is very different from intellectual ability.

    - David F. Vennells

    Be Happy. Stop Thinking.

    - Buddha

    Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something.
    What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire
    life. But there's something wrong with the world but you don't know what it
    is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind. It's driving you mad.
    You want to Wake Up! I want to free your mind. All I'm offering is the
    truth.

    - The Matrix ( Morpheus in the Movie)

    "Then the Lord said to the monks: 'Now monks I declare to you: all
    conditioned things are of a nature to decay - strive on untiringly.'

    These were the Tathagata's (Buddha's) last words."

    Rick Strassman, M.D., DMT The Spirit Molecule, 2001

    ISBN 0-89281-927-8

    Mystical States Pg. 234-235

    In order to establish the close similarities between spiritual experience
    and what is possible with the spirit molecule, I will first review briefly
    the features of a mystical experience.

    The three pillars of self, time, and space all undergo profound
    transfiguration in a mystical experience.

    There no longer is any separation between the self and what is not the self.
    Personal identity and all of existence become one and the same. In fact,
    there is no "personal" identity because we understand at the most basic
    level the underlying unity and interdependence of all existence. Past,
    present, and future merge together into a timeless moment, the now of
    eternity. Time stops, inasmuch as it no longer "passes." There is existence,
    but it is not dependent upon time. Now and then, before and after, all
    combine into this exact point. On the relative level, short periods of time
    encompass enormous amounts of experience.

    As our self and time lose their boundaries, space becomes vast. Like time,
    space is no longer here or there but everywhere, limitless, without edges.
    Here and there are the same. It is all here.

    In this infinitely vast time and space with no limited self, we hold up to
    examination all contradictions and paradoxes and see they no longer
    conflict. We can hold, absorb, and accept everything our mind conjures up:
    good and evil, suffering and happiness, small and large. We now are certain
    that consciousness continues after the body dies, and that it existed long
    before this particular physical form. We see the entire universe in a blade
    of grass and know what our face was like before our parents met.

    Extraordinarily powerful feelings surge through our consciousness. We are
    ecstatic, and the intensity of this joy is such that our body cannot contain
    it - it seems to need a temporarily disembodied state. While the bliss is
    pervasive, there's also an underlying peace and equanimity that's not
    affected by even this incredibly profound happiness.

    There is a searing sense of the sacred and the holy. We contact an
    unchanging, unborn, undying, and uncreated reality. It is a personal
    encounter with the "Big Bang," God, Cosmic Consciousness, the source of all
    being. Whatever we call it, we know we have met the fundamental bedrock and
    fountainhead of existence, one that emanates love, wisdom, and power on an
    unimaginable scale.

    We call it "enlightenment" because we encounter the white light of
    creation's majesty. We may meet guides, angels, or other disembodied
    spirits, but we pass them all as we merge with the light. Our eyes now,
    finally, are truly open, and we see things clearly in a "new light."

    The import and momentousness of the experience stands alone in our history.
    It may serve to focus the rest of our life toward the completion, filling
    out, and working through of the insights obtained.

    --
    Your Buddy,
    Ken

    "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
    "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."

  9. Ken Kubos said:


    Andy -

    Buddhism has a mug the inscription is: "WAKE UP"

    Apparently you are still "ASLEEP".

    Apparently, your eyes are closed.

    Quoted message said:

    By way Buddhism said GOD doesn't exist.

    Apparently, Buddha's choice was to deny the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    Vipassana, or insight meditation, emphasizes a calm, centered awareness of
    mind and body leading to a fresh perspective on oneself, others, and life.
    With practice, the sources of internal and external conflict, confusion, and
    psychological and physical suffering are understood, seen through, and
    transcended. As mental peace is refined, warmth, kindness and compassion
    towards oneself and all beings naturally arise from these profound
    realizations uncovered by the practice. Dissatisfaction, anger, fear,
    restlessness and greed drop away. The sense that there is not enough time,
    peace, love and harmony begins to evaporate and is replaced by the
    experience of a purposeful, balanced, and fulfilled life.

    It remains my choice to place my hope in the LORD instead of what Buddha
    has fabricated.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, in truth there isn't anything to human beings.

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever we may be
    it's only in the realm of appearances.

    In truth, we are nothing without the LORD.

    Quoted message said:

    If we take away the apparent and see
    the Transcendent we see that there isn't anything there.

    Without the LORD there is no vision.

    Quoted message said:

    There are simply
    the universal characteristics -- birth in the beginning, change in the
    middle and cessation in the end.

    Without the LORD, there can be only death (cessation in the end).

    Quoted message said:

    This is all there is.

    In truth, there is eternal life for those who place their faith in the
    LORD.

    Quoted message said:

    If we see that all
    things are like this then no problems arise. If we understand this we will
    have contentment and peace.

    - Ajahn Chah

    Outward contentment and outward peace are meaningless.

    Quoted message said:

    An important question is, "Why should manifested life at different stages of
    evolution emerge out of the Absolute Reality which is infinite?"

    There is no evolution (i.e. origin of new species through **random**
    natural selection events).

    Indeed, nothing is random (Proverbs 16:33).

    Quoted message said:

    The answer
    is that manifested life arises out of the impetus in the Absolute to become
    conscious of itself.

    - Meher Baba

    Answers to flawed questions arising from false premises are meaningless.

    Quoted message said:

    You live in illusion and the appearance of things.

    Those who walk with Christ live lives filled with truth. The LORD gives
    them the living water that dispels all illusion and gives eternal life
    (John 4:10-14).

    Quoted message said:

    There is reality, but you
    do not know this.

    Those who have been given the LORD's gift of truth discernment know the
    truth.

    Quoted message said:

    When you understand this, you will see that you are nothing.

    When you are able to discern the truth, you will see that the LORD is
    everything...

    "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

    Quoted message said:

    And being nothing, you are everything.

    Without the LORD, you will remain nothing.

    Quoted message said:

    That is all.

    - Kalu Rinpoche'

    Nothing is nothing. The LORD is all.

    Quoted message said:

    The only way to bring peace to the earth is to learn to make our
    own life peaceful.

    Without the LORD, there can be no peace.

    Quoted message said:

    No one outside ourselves can rule us inwardly.

    The LORD remains forever sovereign.

    Quoted message said:

    When we know this,
    we become free.

    - Buddha

    The freedom that arises from self-worship is a false one.

    Quoted message said:

    Karma means you don't get away with anything.

    - Buddha

    The LORD's judgment means you don't get away with sinning.

    Quoted message said:

    "Reality is an Illusion"

    "And the basic idea of being reborn is that you erase the memory.

    Everyone is interconnected, and you're working out your karma with people -

    so you get erased, but all of the work left undone has to be completed."

    - Uma Thurman

    The LORD's will be done.

    Quoted message said:

    Meditation is not thinking about things.

    - Joseph Goldstein

    Prayer is the merging of one's small will with the LORD's infinite will.

    Quoted message said:

    Wisdom is very different from intellectual ability.

    - David F. Vennells

    The LORD is the source of all wisdom.

    Quoted message said:

    Be Happy. Stop Thinking.

    - Buddha

    Surrender to the LORD and receive His peace which passes all
    understanding.

    Quoted message said:

    Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something.
    What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire
    life. But there's something wrong with the world but you don't know what it
    is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind. It's driving you mad.
    You want to Wake Up! I want to free your mind. All I'm offering is the
    truth.

    - The Matrix ( Morpheus in the Movie)

    "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

    Quoted message said:

    "Then the Lord said to the monks: 'Now monks I declare to you: all
    conditioned things are of a nature to decay - strive on untiringly.'

    These were the Tathagata's (Buddha's) last words."

    "Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water
    welling up to eternal life." -- LORD Jesus Christ

    Quoted message said:

    Rick Strassman, M.D., DMT The Spirit Molecule, 2001

    ISBN 0-89281-927-8

    Mystical States Pg. 234-235

    In order to establish the close similarities between spiritual experience
    and what is possible with the spirit molecule, I will first review briefly
    the features of a mystical experience.

    The three pillars of self, time, and space all undergo profound
    transfiguration in a mystical experience.

    There no longer is any separation between the self and what is not the self.
    Personal identity and all of existence become one and the same. In fact,
    there is no "personal" identity because we understand at the most basic
    level the underlying unity and interdependence of all existence. Past,
    present, and future merge together into a timeless moment, the now of
    eternity. Time stops, inasmuch as it no longer "passes." There is existence,
    but it is not dependent upon time. Now and then, before and after, all
    combine into this exact point. On the relative level, short periods of time
    encompass enormous amounts of experience.

    As our self and time lose their boundaries, space becomes vast. Like time,
    space is no longer here or there but everywhere, limitless, without edges.
    Here and there are the same. It is all here.

    In this infinitely vast time and space with no limited self, we hold up to
    examination all contradictions and paradoxes and see they no longer
    conflict. We can hold, absorb, and accept everything our mind conjures up:
    good and evil, suffering and happiness, small and large. We now are certain
    that consciousness continues after the body dies, and that it existed long
    before this particular physical form. We see the entire universe in a blade
    of grass and know what our face was like before our parents met.

    Extraordinarily powerful feelings surge through our consciousness. We are
    ecstatic, and the intensity of this joy is such that our body cannot contain
    it - it seems to need a temporarily disembodied state. While the bliss is
    pervasive, there's also an underlying peace and equanimity that's not
    affected by even this incredibly profound happiness.

    There is a searing sense of the sacred and the holy. We contact an
    unchanging, unborn, undying, and uncreated reality. It is a personal
    encounter with the "Big Bang," God, Cosmic Consciousness, the source of all
    being. Whatever we call it, we know we have met the fundamental bedrock and
    fountainhead of existence, one that emanates love, wisdom, and power on an
    unimaginable scale.

    We call it "enlightenment" because we encounter the white light of
    creation's majesty. We may meet guides, angels, or other disembodied
    spirits, but we pass them all as we merge with the light. Our eyes now,
    finally, are truly open, and we see things clearly in a "new light."

    The import and momentousness of the experience stands alone in our history.
    It may serve to focus the rest of our life toward the completion, filling
    out, and working through of the insights obtained.

    Thank you for sharing your beliefs.

    Truth is independent of euphoric states of mind.

    It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD Almighty, Whom I
    love with all my heart, soul, mind and strength. Thankfully, faith in
    Him is all that is required for salvation and eternal life. The
    sovereign LORD remains kind, just and right and His people look forward
    to spending the rest of eternity with Him:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgdch

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Andrew,
    Again, most of your reply consists of chants, mixed in with some
    nastiness. Hysteria.


    Quoted message said:

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    It doesn't. But the logical contradictions of pretending that your
    polytheist beliefs are not an affront to the ONE true God (and
    monotheism) are obviously unhinging you.

    You denial is something quite familiar to anyone knowledgable about
    cult deprograming, or AA for that matter.

    Andrew, may God open your eyes and save you from Satan. Stop your
    sinful worship of a pantheon.

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Andrew,
    Again, most of your reply consists of chants, mixed in with some
    nastiness. Hysteria.


    Quoted message said:

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    It doesn't.

    Your language suggests otherwise.

    Quoted message said:

    But the logical contradictions of pretending that your
    polytheist beliefs are not an affront to the ONE true God (and
    monotheism) are obviously unhinging you.

    The truth remains absolute.

    Quoted message said:

    You denial is something quite familiar to anyone knowledgable about
    cult deprograming, or AA for that matter.

    There is no denying the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew, may God open your eyes and save you from Satan.

    The LORD GOD Almighty has vanquished satan. Thankfully, those who walk
    with the LORD have been saved by their faith in Him.

    Quoted message said:

    Stop your
    sinful worship of a pantheon.

    The LORD is not a pantheon.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  12. Andy,

    I wouldn't want to have you as my CARDIOLOGIST ... No sir.

    --

    Ken

    "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
    "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."

    | The LORD is not a pantheon.
    |

    | Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    | like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    | this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
    |
    | http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
    |
    | For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    | how
    | the LORD has reshaped me:
    |
    | http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
    |
    | In Christ's love always,
    |
    | Andrew
    | http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
    |

  13. Ken Kubos said:

    Andy,

    I wouldn't want to have you as my CARDIOLOGIST ... No sir.

    You have free will which is the LORD's gift to you.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  14. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    >
    > Andrew,
    > Again, most of your reply consists of chants, mixed in with some
    > nastiness. Hysteria.

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    It doesn't.

    Your language suggests otherwise.

    Quoted message said:

    But the logical contradictions of pretending that your
    polytheist beliefs are not an affront to the ONE true God (and
    monotheism) are obviously unhinging you.

    The truth remains absolute.

    Quoted message said:

    You denial is something quite familiar to anyone knowledgable about
    cult deprograming, or AA for that matter.

    There is no denying the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew, may God open your eyes and save you from Satan.

    The LORD GOD Almighty has vanquished satan. Thankfully, those who walk
    with the LORD have been saved by their faith in Him.

    Quoted message said:

    Stop your
    sinful worship of a pantheon.

    The LORD is not a pantheon.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

    You are a grade A board certified moron.

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the world has shaped me:

    Chung is an idiot.

    TC

  15. Quoted message said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Quoted message said:

    > [email hidden] wrote:
    > >
    > > Andrew,
    > > Again, most of your reply consists of chants, mixed in with some
    > > nastiness. Hysteria.
    >

    > Sorry the truth bothers you.

    It doesn't.

    Your language suggests otherwise.

    Quoted message said:

    But the logical contradictions of pretending that your
    polytheist beliefs are not an affront to the ONE true God (and
    monotheism) are obviously unhinging you.

    The truth remains absolute.

    Quoted message said:

    You denial is something quite familiar to anyone knowledgable about
    cult deprograming, or AA for that matter.

    There is no denying the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew, may God open your eyes and save you from Satan.

    The LORD GOD Almighty has vanquished satan. Thankfully, those who walk
    with the LORD have been saved by their faith in Him.

    Quoted message said:

    Stop your
    sinful worship of a pantheon.

    The LORD is not a pantheon.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

    You are a grade A board certified moron.

    Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

    Quoted message said:

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the world has shaped me:

    Chung is an idiot.

    Ouch. Again, you can have at the other cheek.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  16. On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:17:20 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipped a bunch of stuff>

    Quoted message said:

    Ouch. Again, you can have at the other cheek.

    Jeez, Andrew, just how many cheeks to you have? They all must be
    pretty battered and bruised by now, aren't they?

    BessieBee
    ---
    OF Damnit! :-)

  17. BessieBee said:


    On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:17:20 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipped a bunch of stuff>

    Quoted message said:

    Ouch. Again, you can have at the other cheek.

    Jeez, Andrew, just how many cheeks to you have?

    Two.

    Quoted message said:

    They all must be
    pretty battered and bruised by now, aren't they?

    The LORD continues to heal me :-)

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

  18. Andrew, you are spamming newsgroups to sell polytheism.

    It's wrong to spam, but it's much worse to violate the ONE true God's
    commandments. In promoting for your sub-god(s), you are breaking the
    First
    Commandment:

    1] I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods.

    [God is above humans and animals. God does NOT have an array of "sons"
    and
    "wives" and specialized helpers. He did not rut with some peasant girl
    to
    produce anything.]

    When you genuflect to crosses and crucifixes you violate the ONE true
    God's
    Second Commandment:

    2] Thou shalt not make any image of me, bow to it or worship it.

    [Every time you genuflect to a cross or a statue of jesus or the other
    lesser
    "gods" you are insulting the ONE true God.]

    Andrew, you are a polytheist and an idolater.
    Mend your ways, turn from Satan before it is too late.
    And stop the spamming.

    We're all praying for you, to the ONE true God.

  19. Quoted message said:


    Andrew, you are spamming newsgroups to sell polytheism.

    This is not spam but a response to your post.

    Nor is this a sales pitch.

    As for polytheism, worshipping the LORD is monotheism.

    Quoted message said:

    It's wrong to spam, but it's much worse to violate the ONE true God's
    commandments.

    False witness.

    Quoted message said:

    In promoting for your sub-god(s), you are breaking the
    First
    Commandment:

    1] I am the LORD; thou shalt not have any other Gods.

    [God is above humans and animals. God does NOT have an array of "sons"
    and
    "wives" and specialized helpers. He did not rut with some peasant girl
    to
    produce anything.]

    The LORD is not a sub-god. The LORD is GOD Almighty, Who created the
    universe and its natural laws making Him sovereign.

    The LORD continues to guide me in all that I say, do, and write.

    And, He guides me to write the following for you to take heed:

    "A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will
    perish."

    Quoted message said:

    When you genuflect to crosses and crucifixes you violate the ONE true
    God's
    Second Commandment:

    2] Thou shalt not make any image of me, bow to it or worship it.

    [Every time you genuflect to a cross or a statue of jesus or the other
    lesser
    "gods" you are insulting the ONE true God.]

    Andrew, you are a polytheist and an idolater.

    More false witness.

    Quoted message said:

    Mend your ways, turn from Satan before it is too late.

    The LORD has vanquished satan whom you are serving.

    Quoted message said:

    And stop the spamming.

    Stop bearing false witness.

    Quoted message said:

    We're all praying for you, to the ONE true God.

    May the LORD forgive you for you know not what you do:

    http://tinyurl.com/bzv36

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

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