Bad instructing

John Clayton <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

<driving instructor madness sniped>

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

Many thanks.

De hyphenate to reply directly. John Clayton

If you saw the name of the firm, and got the number plate get onto them. If it was a one person
firm, i don't know what your options are 🙁

As ever I doubt the police will do anything. Unless you have a high court judge as witness 🙁

I hate to think what the poor learner driver thought of all this, I remember when I was learning to
drive my instructor *once* used the brake for me (I was going left on a roundabout and rashly
trusted the car indicating he was coming off onto the road I was leaving, instructor was less
trusting 🙂 and it left me feeling very out of control of the car, if he had started shouting at
passing cyclists I don't know what I would have done!

fragg

Fraggle said:

John Clayton <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

<driving instructor madness sniped>

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

Many thanks.

De hyphenate to reply directly. John Clayton

If you saw the name of the firm, and got the number plate get onto them. If it was a one person
firm, i don't know what your options are 🙁

As ever I doubt the police will do anything. Unless you have a high court judge as witness 🙁

I hate to think what the poor learner driver thought of all this

well, considering we often learn things verbatim....

depressing stuff.

gb

John Clayton said:

Advice please. While passing a learner driver (after a long wait behind) the instructor grabbed
the steering wheel and guided into my path, making me brake heavily.

One mile later I'm passing on inside (he's now turning right) and he pulls into kerb while
instructor bellows out of window "about me falling off that [censored]*ng thing".

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

His "permit to instruct", as you call it, or the "statutory register of Approved Driving
Instructors", which is what every driving instructor needs to be on to sell driving lessons legally,
is managed by the Driving Standards Agency. Their web site is: dsa.gov.ukdsa.gov.ukOpen ↗

They would take something like this far more seriously if you have witnesses and inform the police.

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Jim Price

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Conscientious objection is hard work in an economic war.

Jim Price said:

His "permit to instruct", as you call it, or the "statutory register of Approved Driving
Instructors", which is what every driving instructor needs to be on to sell driving lessons
legally, is managed by the Driving Standards Agency. Their web site is: dsa.gov.ukdsa.gov.ukOpen ↗

We assume he's actually legal of course. Going through Southall my instuctor took great fun in
pointing out all the illigal instructors operating in the area, there were more than the legal ones.

Steve

"John Clayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Advice please. While passing a learner driver (after a long wait behind) the instructor grabbed
the steering wheel and guided into my path, making me brake heavily.

One mile later I'm passing on inside (he's now turning right) and he pulls into kerb while
instructor bellows out of window "about me falling off that [censored]*ng thing".

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

Moo - sounds like you had rather an unpleasant one there, hope it's the last for you.

Had a learner driver on my tail a couple of weeks ago, was quite impressed that she kept both at a
decent speed *and* at a decent distance from my rear wheel. Was most impressed.

Mind you, almost did a silly thing a few days ago. On the same stretch of road, had a bloke in a
small car (typical max power reader) honk his horn a couple of times as he overtook me. Taking
exeception to this, I accelerated towards his car, hoping to ask him quite what the hell he thought
he was doing. Catch up, he turns left. I then decide it's probably better if I continue on the way
to work. I'm not a big bloke, tall certainly, but geek-skinny. Just glad I had the sense not to
continue the matter.

Thomas.

John Clayton said:

Advice please. While passing a learner driver (after a long wait behind) the instructor grabbed the
steering wheel and guided into my path, making me brake heavily.

One mile later I'm passing on inside (he's now turning right) and he pulls into kerb while
instructor bellows out of window "about me falling off that [censored]*ng thing".

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

Hi John

I have no idea about the revoking of the "permit to instruct" business. A couple of days ago I was
on a roundabout and had signalled where I'd wanted to go. All the exits from the rounabout were
blocked by other, stationary cars.

Nevertheless, this one car decided to pull out in front of me and blocked my path; I had to brake
quite hard. As the car was wearing an "L plate" I assume the chap in the passenger seat was a
qualified driver and the actual driver was a learner.

In truth, there wasn't really any danger but the man in the passenger seat shouted: "That's your
fault, mate!" I replied something along the line of: "It's a f***ing roudabout. You've gotta give
way to those already on it." My language could well be considered to be racialist as both the driver
and the passenger were black. However, I just think I was being rude as had no idea of the colour of
the car's occupants at the time.

No matter. I was very annoyed at having to hit my brakes so sharply.

James

--
"Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.

John Clayton said:

Advice please. While passing a learner driver (after a long wait behind) the instructor grabbed the
steering wheel and guided into my path, making me brake heavily.

One mile later I'm passing on inside (he's now turning right) and he pulls into kerb while
instructor bellows out of window "about me falling off that [censored]*ng thing".

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

I'd write to the DSA (dsa.gov.ukdsa.gov.ukOpen ↗) and the driving school (if it's one of the big ones
like the AA, if it's his own he'll ignore you).

The DSA will probably prove most fruitful as they're the ones who give the 'permit to instruct',
as it were.
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"We take these risks, not to escape from life, but to prevent life escaping from us." ***** replace
'spam' with 'ben' to reply *****

Fraggle said:

I hate to think what the poor learner driver thought of all this, I remember when I was learning to
drive my instructor *once* used the brake for me (I was going left on a roundabout and rashly
trusted the car indicating he was coming off onto the road I was leaving, instructor was less
trusting 🙂 and it left me feeling very out of control of the car

I remember that my instructor never used the dual controls of the car I was learning in
until one day.

That one day was driving to my test and he hit the brakes as I was pulling out onto a roundabout. In
his opinion I wouldn't have made
it.

I pointed out that, also in his opinion, I was ready for the test and therefore it was my opinion
that mattered, not his.

Was rattled about it, but passed.
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"We take these risks, not to escape from life, but to prevent life escaping from us." ***** replace
'spam' with 'ben' to reply *****

Ben said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

I'd write to the DSA (dsa.gov.ukdsa.gov.ukOpen ↗) and the driving school (if it's one of the big ones
like the AA, if it's his own he'll ignore you).

The DSA will probably prove most fruitful as they're the ones who give the 'permit to instruct',
as it were.

Hi Ben

I got wound up just thinking about it again yesterday! I've calmed down now. The driver and
passenger were not in a marked car such as BSM. I'd guess they were husband/wife, brother/sister,
friends etc - I suppose spouses and siblings can be friends, too. The car was just a regular car
with an "L" plate. I'm only assuming that the driver was a learner because of the plate and that she
looked very nervous, though my ranting and shouting may have had something to do witrh that :-/

James

--
"Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.

James Hodson said:

Ben said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone here know if his "permit to instruct" could be revoked? Where to complain?

I'd write to the DSA (dsa.gov.ukdsa.gov.ukOpen ↗) and the driving school (if it's one of the big ones
like the AA, if it's his own he'll ignore you).

The DSA will probably prove most fruitful as they're the ones who give the 'permit to instruct',
as it were.

I got wound up just thinking about it again yesterday! I've calmed down now. The driver and
passenger were not in a marked car such as BSM. I'd guess they were husband/wife, brother/sister,
friends etc - I suppose spouses and siblings can be friends, too. The car was just a regular car
with an "L" plate. I'm only assuming that the driver was a learner because of the plate and that
she looked very nervous, though my ranting and shouting may have had something to do witrh that :-/

Ah, in that case there isn't a lot you can do. Anyone over the age of 21 with a full licence is
allowed to teach a learner to drive.

If they were driving dangerously then a report to the local Police may be worth while but they could
just say you should expect a learner to drive badly.
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"We take these risks, not to escape from life, but to prevent life escaping from us." ***** replace
'spam' with 'ben' to reply *****

Ben said:

Ah, in that case there isn't a lot you can do. Anyone over the age of 21 with a full licence is
allowed to teach a learner to drive.

If they were driving dangerously then a report to the local Police may be worth while but they
could just say you should expect a learner to drive badly.

It wasn't particularly dangerous in truth. It was the passenger's comment that I was at fault that
got my goat.

The roundabout concerned is a bit of a mess, IMO. Too many people - I include myself in this - don't
slow down enough when passing through
it. In one direction, a right turn is almost a straight line. In the specific situation I mentioned
all the exits were blocked for cars (there was plenty of bike room) so the other car entering
the roundabout would have only snarled things up even more.

Naturally, as a Bank Holiday weekend was approaching, there were road works near by - road works not
being worked on, that is!

James

--
"Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.