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  1. Yesterday I was training a young lad who's Mum had just bought him a new
    bike two days earlier - full suspenson, all the gizmos, gaudy go fast
    colour/decals and a 'bargain' at under a £100.
    Yes, it was from H*lf*rds.

    Mum went there because she had wanted a shop "that knew what they were
    doing", and she had already tried ToysRUs.

    Despite it having been "fitted" it was far too small and he was riding
    with his legs *very* bent.

    I went to raise the saddle only to find the seat pin was way above its
    safe limit with the limit markings already 15mm above the tube - this is
    how it had been sold.

    Mum has called H*lf*rds and passed on my anger that they had adjusted an
    already too small bike into a dangerous one.

    To their credit they offered an immediate refund :-)

    Mum has now been directed towards a real bike shop.

    John B

  2. John B said:

    Mum went there because she had wanted a shop "that knew what they were
    doing", and she had already tried ToysRUs.

    Classic :-)

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  3. killermike said:


    John B said:

    Mum went there because she had wanted a shop "that knew what they were
    doing", and she had already tried ToysRUs.

    Classic :-)

    I know. I wanted to cry when she said that.

    John B

  4. John B said:

    Yesterday I was training a young lad who's Mum had just bought him a new
    bike two days earlier - full suspenson, all the gizmos, gaudy go fast
    colour/decals and a 'bargain' at under a £100.
    Yes, it was from H*lf*rds.

    Mum went there because she had wanted a shop "that knew what they were
    doing", and she had already tried ToysRUs.

    Despite it having been "fitted" it was far too small and he was riding
    with his legs *very* bent.

    I went to raise the saddle only to find the seat pin was way above its
    safe limit with the limit markings already 15mm above the tube - this is
    how it had been sold.

    Mum has called H*lf*rds and passed on my anger that they had adjusted an
    already too small bike into a dangerous one.

    It would be nice to believe that the letter written by this newsgroup
    and copied to the Halford's Chairman earlier this year had had an
    impact.

    It would seem it has not.

    =============

    I write to you as a Cycle Touring Club accredited cycling instructor
    and school teacher for the daughter of one of your customers.

    Mrs L***** bought a bicycle and cycle helmet from you for her
    daughter's birthday two weeks ago. The bike is the right size for
    J*****'s use and the saddle height is correct. However, the bicycle
    was supplied in an unroadworthy condition and the cycle helmet was
    incorrectly fitted to J*****'s head. With the essential repairs
    outlined below, the bike is ideal for J*****'s use.

    On the bike, one of the front brake blocks is incorrectly adjusted so
    only half of it is in contact with the wheel rim; you will need to
    correct this. The front brake cannot be properly used, as the brake
    lever contacts the handle bar, this makes it impossible to fully apply
    the brake. There are strict regulations about supplying new bikes with
    incorrectly adjusted brakes. I have made some improvement to this
    using the cable adjuster at the brake lever end, but it requires
    further correction. The chainring gear cable is severely frayed and
    needs repair or replacement. The other gear and brake cables need to
    be cut back and capped. Since 1 May 2004 it has been mandatory for
    all new bicycles to be fitted with a working bell; J*****'s bike
    wasn't supplied with a bell.

    The helmet's straps were too loose, and if dislodged the helmet could
    have come off J*****'s head and trapped around the back of her head
    with the straps around her neck. The four straps, two either side of
    the helmet, should have been adjusted to pass either side of the ear,
    with the connector below the ear. Your staff had fitted it so the
    connectors on both sides were above J*****'s ear. I have made the
    necessary adjustments, but you must ensure that your staff are
    properly trained.

    I am writing to you, rather than trading standards, so that you can
    make the essential repairs. The bike will still need its standard six
    week service.

  5. killermike said:
    John B said:

    Mum went there because she had wanted a shop "that knew what they were
    doing", and she had already tried ToysRUs.

    Classic :-)

    I think I know that woman
    John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

  6. John B said:
    killermike said:


    John B said:

    Mum went there because she had wanted a shop "that knew what they were
    doing", and she had already tried ToysRUs.

    Classic :-)

    I know. I wanted to cry when she said that.

    I took my (at the time) 4yo to the New Forest several years ago; on the
    way picked up a brand new kid's MTB from ToysRUs at Southampton. After
    erecting the tent I set about assembling the bike. Imagine his
    disappointment when I discovered that the rear brake stay had been
    welded 1" too high up and it had to go back in the box (it was their
    last one).
    The replacement (several weeks later) worked and still works fine, but
    I have been scared off such "bargains" by the experience.

  7. MartinM said:

    I took my (at the time) 4yo to the New Forest several years ago; on the
    way picked up a brand new kid's MTB from ToysRUs at Southampton. After
    erecting the tent I set about assembling the bike. Imagine his
    disappointment when I discovered that the rear brake stay had been
    welded 1" too high up and it had to go back in the box (it was their
    last one).
    The replacement (several weeks later) worked and still works fine, but
    I have been scared off such "bargains" by the experience.

    A child's front brake failed today.

    The child was cycling to school and part of the front V brake sheared
    off. It was unrepairable and the bike will have to go back to the
    shop.

    *Bargain full suspension bike* is an oxymoron. I'm considering
    contacting trading standards about this failure, but am unsure how
    they may respond.

  8. Bertie Wiggins said:


    *Bargain full suspension bike* is an oxymoron.

    Not so. However, the price may still be high, even for a bargain.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Bertie

    Wiggins said:

    *Bargain full suspension bike* is an oxymoron. I'm considering
    contacting trading standards about this failure, but am unsure how
    they may respond.

    Sorry about this but - if it's a Labour administration, the child is
    between 7 and 9 and the child is coloured - the Trading Standards
    people will go ballistic.

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

  10. "Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Bertie

    Wiggins said:

    *Bargain full suspension bike* is an oxymoron. I'm considering
    contacting trading standards about this failure, but am unsure how
    they may respond.

    Sorry about this but - if it's a Labour administration, the child is
    between 7 and 9 and the child is coloured - the Trading Standards
    people will go ballistic.

    Any particular colour?

  11. Simon Bennett said:


    "Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Bertie

    Wiggins said:

    *Bargain full suspension bike* is an oxymoron. I'm considering
    contacting trading standards about this failure, but am unsure how
    they may respond.

    Sorry about this but - if it's a Labour administration, the child is
    between 7 and 9 and the child is coloured - the Trading Standards
    people will go ballistic.

    Any particular colour?

    The same question went through my head.

    I've emailed trading standards to see if it's something that they'd
    want to take up. The issue is not about the retailer - I'm sure they
    will repair the bike - it's about whether such bikes should be sold in
    the first place.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, Bertie

    Wiggins said:

    The same question went through my head.

    Ethnic minority colour

    Quoted message said:

    I've emailed trading standards to see if it's something that they'd
    want to take up. The issue is not about the retailer - I'm sure
    they will repair the bike - it's about whether such bikes should be
    sold in the first place.

    Any bike can fail but if it happens twice with the same model then a
    fault exists.

  13. Al C-F said:
    Bertie Wiggins said:


    *Bargain full suspension bike* is an oxymoron.

    Not so. However, the price may still be high, even for a bargain.

    Indeed. I had an £800 bargain a few years ago.

    --
    Ambrose

  14. Sandy Morton said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Bertie

    Wiggins said:

    The same question went through my head.

    Ethnic minority colour

    I would like to think that colour won't come into it - and certainly
    didn't mention it in my email to them.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've emailed trading standards to see if it's something that they'd
    want to take up. The issue is not about the retailer - I'm sure
    they will repair the bike - it's about whether such bikes should be
    sold in the first place.

    Any bike can fail but if it happens twice with the same model then a
    fault exists.

    I'd hate to wait for a second event to cause injury.

    This was my email:

    **A 10 year old child showed me yesterday a new bike whose front
    **brake had failed when a bit of metal sheared. I fully expect that
    **the bike vendor will make the necessary repair, but as a safety
    **issue, is this something that you deal with?

    This is their reply.

    **This is indeed something that Trading Standards would deal with.
    **If you can provide us with all the necessary details (make and
    **model of bike, where and when purchased etc.) we can then
    **progress the case.

    It seems that they don't even need to see the bike.

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