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  1. Here are my results. I am an atheist and a humanist, so I am not
    surprised. Interestingly, I am the director of a literacy program and
    most of my staff are roman catholic and so are my students.I have been
    working with some of my staff for the past 10 years. We concide in our
    perspective of the world outside of the church stuff.

    Andres

    1. Secular Humanism (100%)
    2. Unitarian Universalism (99%)
    3. Liberal Quakers (88%)
    4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (83%)
    5. Theravada Buddhism (71%)
    6. Nontheist (68%)
    7. Neo-Pagan (68%)
    8. Bah?'? Faith (55%)
    9. New Age (53%)
    10. Taoism (50%)
    11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (46%)
    12. Reform Judaism (45%)
    13. Mahayana Buddhism (44%)
    14. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (43%)
    15. Orthodox Quaker (39%)
    16. New Thought (38%)
    17. Sikhism (34%)
    18. Scientology (33%)
    19. Jainism (32%)
    20. Jehovah's Witness (32%)
    21. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (31%)
    22. Hinduism (22%)
    23. Seventh Day Adventist (18%)
    24. Eastern Orthodox (14%)
    25. Islam (14%)
    26. Orthodox Judaism (14%)
    27. Roman Catholic (14%)

  2. 1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
    2. Secular Humanism (98%)
    3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (89%)
    4. Liberal Quakers (87%)
    5. Nontheist (79%)
    6. Theravada Buddhism (74%)
    7. Neo-Pagan (73%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (66%)
    9. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (58%)
    10. Taoism (58%)
    11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (54%)
    12. Reform Judaism (52%)
    13. New Age (51%)
    14. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (43%)
    15. New Thought (43%)
    16. Orthodox Quaker (37%)
    17. Sikhism (37%)
    18. Mahayana Buddhism (36%)
    19. Scientology (36%)
    20. Jehovah's Witness (28%)
    21. Eastern Orthodox (19%)
    22. Islam (19%)
    23. Jainism (19%)
    24. Orthodox Judaism (19%)
    25. Roman Catholic (19%)
    26. Seventh Day Adventist (15%)
    27. Hinduism (7%)

    And I thought I was just an indifferent Catholic.

  3. Unitaria, secular, humanist, universalist!?!?!?

    HMMMM! Sounds like disguised foreign, antichristian, antiamerican
    communism. You must be one of those that are trying to push evolution
    and opposes creationism.

    Andres

    Man o' Tea said:

    1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
    2. Secular Humanism (98%)
    3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (89%)
    4. Liberal Quakers (87%)
    5. Nontheist (79%)
    6. Theravada Buddhism (74%)
    7. Neo-Pagan (73%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (66%)
    9. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (58%)
    10. Taoism (58%)
    11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (54%)
    12. Reform Judaism (52%)
    13. New Age (51%)
    14. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (43%)
    15. New Thought (43%)
    16. Orthodox Quaker (37%)
    17. Sikhism (37%)
    18. Mahayana Buddhism (36%)
    19. Scientology (36%)
    20. Jehovah's Witness (28%)
    21. Eastern Orthodox (19%)
    22. Islam (19%)
    23. Jainism (19%)
    24. Orthodox Judaism (19%)
    25. Roman Catholic (19%)
    26. Seventh Day Adventist (15%)
    27. Hinduism (7%)

    And I thought I was just an indifferent Catholic.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Unitaria, secular, humanist, universalist!?!?!?

    HMMMM! Sounds like disguised foreign, antichristian, antiamerican
    communism. You must be one of those that are trying to push evolution
    and opposes creationism.

    That's right, I'm not a neocon.

  5. Amusing, don't you think, that we agree very well on religion and
    politics, but have fought World War III over swimming (no, take that
    back; more like World War I-style long trench warfare).

    Four things never to discuss with friends: religion, politics, diet,
    and swimming.

  6. (Larry Weisenthal) said:

    Amusing, don't you think, that we agree very well on religion and
    politics, but have fought World War III over swimming (no, take that
    back; more like World War I-style long trench warfare).

    Four things never to discuss with friends: religion, politics, diet,
    and swimming.

    Okay, I can ignore the differences in diet and swimming...well, almost
    ignore. And I positively enjoy religious difference, but politics?
    That means a serious difference in values and attitudes toward everyone
    and the whole world. Different politics? Not my friend.

    rtk

  7. Well, here are mine...despite only recognizing a couple of the top 10 faiths
    on my list, it is curiously identical to the list i got when i did it a few
    hours ago...the top 10 moved around a little, but Jainism stayed at the
    top...maybe I need to look into it...

    1. Jainism (100%)
    2. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
    3. Hinduism (81%)
    4. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
    5. Sikhism (77%)
    6. Neo-Pagan (74%)
    7. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
    9. New Age (64%)
    10. Unitarian Universalism (63%)
    11. Reform Judaism (62%)
    12. Liberal Quakers (61%)
    13. Islam (58%)
    14. Taoism (57%)
    15. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (46%)
    16. New Thought (46%)
    17. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
    18. Scientology (44%)
    19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (39%)
    20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
    21. Secular Humanism (37%)
    22. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
    23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%)
    24. Eastern Orthodox (30%)
    25. Roman Catholic (30%)
    26. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
    27. Nontheist (29%)

  8. (Larry Weisenthal) said:

    Amusing, don't you think, that we agree very well on religion and
    politics, but have fought World War III over swimming (no, take that
    back; more like World War I-style long trench warfare).

    At least we both *like* swimming!

  9. (Larry Weisenthal) said:

    Amusing, don't you think, that we agree very well on religion and
    politics, but have fought World War III over swimming (no, take that
    back; more like World War I-style long trench warfare).

    At least we both *like* swimming!

  10. Diablo:

    Yours are interesting and appear to be contradictory. From my knowledge
    of Eastern thought, and my experience meeting some eastern thinkers, I
    find a lot of things that they share with humanists, secularists. also,
    eastern religions are often considered non-theists in that they do not
    worship god figures. Rather, they show respect for nature and for all
    living things. So, lisitng four eastern religions and the top and
    non-theism at the bottom is sort of a a contradiction.

    Andres

    diablo said:

    Well, here are mine...despite only recognizing a couple of the top 10 faiths
    on my list, it is curiously identical to the list i got when i did it a few
    hours ago...the top 10 moved around a little, but Jainism stayed at the
    top...maybe I need to look into it...

    1. Jainism (100%)
    2. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
    3. Hinduism (81%)
    4. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
    5. Sikhism (77%)
    6. Neo-Pagan (74%)
    7. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
    9. New Age (64%)
    10. Unitarian Universalism (63%)
    11. Reform Judaism (62%)
    12. Liberal Quakers (61%)
    13. Islam (58%)
    14. Taoism (57%)
    15. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (46%)
    16. New Thought (46%)
    17. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
    18. Scientology (44%)
    19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (39%)
    20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
    21. Secular Humanism (37%)
    22. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
    23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%)
    24. Eastern Orthodox (30%)
    25. Roman Catholic (30%)
    26. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
    27. Nontheist (29%)

  11. Quoted message said:

    Diablo:

    Yours are interesting and appear to be contradictory. From my knowledge
    of Eastern thought, and my experience meeting some eastern thinkers, I
    find a lot of things that they share with humanists, secularists. also,
    eastern religions are often considered non-theists in that they do not
    worship god figures. Rather, they show respect for nature and for all
    living things. So, lisitng four eastern religions and the top and
    non-theism at the bottom is sort of a a contradiction.

    Andres

    diablo said:

    Well, here are mine...despite only recognizing a couple of the top 10 faiths
    on my list, it is curiously identical to the list i got when i did it a few
    hours ago...the top 10 moved around a little, but Jainism stayed at the
    top...maybe I need to look into it...

    1. Jainism (100%)
    2. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
    3. Hinduism (81%)
    4. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
    5. Sikhism (77%)
    6. Neo-Pagan (74%)
    7. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
    9. New Age (64%)
    10. Unitarian Universalism (63%)
    11. Reform Judaism (62%)
    12. Liberal Quakers (61%)
    13. Islam (58%)
    14. Taoism (57%)
    15. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (46%)
    16. New Thought (46%)
    17. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
    18. Scientology (44%)
    19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (39%)
    20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
    21. Secular Humanism (37%)
    22. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
    23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%)
    24. Eastern Orthodox (30%)
    25. Roman Catholic (30%)
    26. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
    27. Nontheist (29%)

    Not necessarily. Remember the distinction... Eastern thought centers on
    the worth of all living things. In a vastly oversimplified way, you
    could say they worship life itself as a form of divinity. Nontheistic
    suggests you hold nothing to be holy/sacred at all, the notion of "there
    is no God." I don't think having the two split like that is a conflict
    at all.

  12. Quoted message said:

    Diablo:

    Yours are interesting and appear to be contradictory. From my knowledge
    of Eastern thought, and my experience meeting some eastern thinkers, I
    find a lot of things that they share with humanists, secularists. also,
    eastern religions are often considered non-theists in that they do not
    worship god figures. Rather, they show respect for nature and for all
    living things. So, lisitng four eastern religions and the top and
    non-theism at the bottom is sort of a a contradiction.

    Andres

    diablo said:

    Well, here are mine...despite only recognizing a couple of the top 10 faiths
    on my list, it is curiously identical to the list i got when i did it a few
    hours ago...the top 10 moved around a little, but Jainism stayed at the
    top...maybe I need to look into it...

    1. Jainism (100%)
    2. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
    3. Hinduism (81%)
    4. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
    5. Sikhism (77%)
    6. Neo-Pagan (74%)
    7. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
    9. New Age (64%)
    10. Unitarian Universalism (63%)
    11. Reform Judaism (62%)
    12. Liberal Quakers (61%)
    13. Islam (58%)
    14. Taoism (57%)
    15. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (46%)
    16. New Thought (46%)
    17. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
    18. Scientology (44%)
    19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (39%)
    20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
    21. Secular Humanism (37%)
    22. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
    23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%)
    24. Eastern Orthodox (30%)
    25. Roman Catholic (30%)
    26. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
    27. Nontheist (29%)

    Not necessarily. Remember the distinction... Eastern thought centers on
    the worth of all living things. In a vastly oversimplified way, you
    could say they worship life itself as a form of divinity. Nontheistic
    suggests you hold nothing to be holy/sacred at all, the notion of "there
    is no God." I don't think having the two split like that is a conflict
    at all.

  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And I positively enjoy religious difference, but politics?


    That means a serious difference in values and attitudes toward everyone

    and the whole world. Different politics? Not my friend. <<

    I guess this counts as arguing politics, but I don't agree.

    My best friend is my polar opposite, politically. And we argue
    politics quite often and often quite passionately. Sometimes we just
    get all punched out and take a time out. I spend a lot of time arguing
    politics on Usenet, where (on the political groups) the norm is to hide
    behind a pseudonym and use the most vituperative and insulting language
    possible. I personally think that one of the most unfortunate aspects
    of post-Gingrich American politics is that there is no longer such a
    thing as the honest difference of opinion. If I had a fortune, I'd
    endow a Foundation for Political Tolerance. Since I don't, I've sort
    of made it my part-time mission to bring civility to
    alt.politics.usa.republican, alt. politics.usa.democrat,
    alt.politics.rush-limbaugh, and alt.politics.liberal. I've found that
    if you talk to the most rabidly political opposites in a respectful
    manner, you'll eventually win them over and they'll respond in kind. I
    will say that (speaking as more or less one of the Lib Dem persuasion),
    the hardest nuts to crack are Liberals turning on their own when one
    (e.g. me) finds some merit in the conservative side of a given
    argument. My Dad and I have had some monumental e-mail battles over
    politics, also, but always sign our respective letters with a
    "Love,Dad" and "Love,Larry."

    All John Lennon was saying, was give peace a chance.

    - Larry W

  14. Chris Zakelj wrote:

    Nontheistic

    Quoted message said:

    suggests you hold nothing to be holy/sacred at all, the notion of "there
    is no God." I don't think having the two split like that is a conflict
    at all.

    Actually, as an atheist I can tell you this is very far from truth.
    Non-theistic means that we don't believe in a god or gods. However, we
    do hold many things sacred. The most important, holly and sacred thing
    for atheists is earthly life itself. Theists believe that there is
    another after life. In the christian tradition, the after life is the
    more important life and this is merely preparation for the after life.
    Actions on earth can be forgiven if we accept our god as our savior and
    get ready for the after life.

    For atheists, there is no after life and no forgiveness. Once we mess
    up we've done it. So we have no other chance to fix it. Atheists are
    usually committed to social justice, egalitarianism, quality of life of
    all beings, because we hold the sanctity of life as the most important
    thing.

    One of the key things about atheists is that we don't have a-priori
    rules or commands that determine our behavior. It is our own
    responsibility, and ultimately we are responsible only to ourselves and
    other beings on earth when we act.

    Andres

  15. rtk said:
    (Larry Weisenthal) said:

    Amusing, don't you think, that we agree very well on religion and
    politics, but have fought World War III over swimming (no, take that
    back; more like World War I-style long trench warfare).

    Four things never to discuss with friends: religion, politics, diet,
    and swimming.

    Okay, I can ignore the differences in diet and swimming...well, almost
    ignore. And I positively enjoy religious difference, but politics? That
    means a serious difference in values and attitudes toward everyone and
    the whole world. Different politics? Not my friend.

    rtk

    Actually, Ruth, I think this is a don't-knock-it-till-you've-tried it
    scenario. Being friends with my polictical enemies really opened up new
    worlds of association for me. It also helps to know how the other half
    thinks, and what it is that drives them to think that way.
    Madelaine

  16. diablo said:

    Well, here are mine...despite only recognizing a couple of the top 10 faiths
    on my list, it is curiously identical to the list i got when i did it a few
    hours ago...the top 10 moved around a little, but Jainism stayed at the
    top...maybe I need to look into it...

    1. Jainism (100%)
    2. Mahayana Buddhism (86%)
    3. Hinduism (81%)
    4. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
    5. Sikhism (77%)
    6. Neo-Pagan (74%)
    7. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
    8. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
    9. New Age (64%)
    10. Unitarian Universalism (63%)
    11. Reform Judaism (62%)
    12. Liberal Quakers (61%)
    13. Islam (58%)
    14. Taoism (57%)
    15. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (46%)
    16. New Thought (46%)
    17. Orthodox Quaker (44%)
    18. Scientology (44%)
    19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (39%)
    20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
    21. Secular Humanism (37%)
    22. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
    23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%)
    24. Eastern Orthodox (30%)
    25. Roman Catholic (30%)
    26. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
    27. Nontheist (29%)


    One flaw of this test is that some religions are not something you can
    choose, you have to be born into them. I suspect (but don't know) that
    Jainism and Sikhism fall into that category.
    Madelaine

  17. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One flaw of this test is that some religions are not something you can


    choose, you have to be born into them.<<

    That's the purpose of the test. To match people with actual
    faiths/philosophies, as opposed to upbringing/indoctrination.

    The most interesting result I've found so far (in addition to my Dad's
    neo-paganism) is an Islamic friend (from Pakistan) who scored very high
    for orthodox and reform Judaism but in the bottom 1/3 of the list for
    Islam. Then there is another of my friends (a Republican Baptist) who
    scored 100% for Orthodox Quaker and considerably lower for mainline to
    conservative Protestant.

    By birth, I'm half Jewish/half Finnish (Protestant). For only about a
    year of my upbringing did my parents attend a weekly religious service
    and take me and my brother. This was a Unitarian/Universalist assembly,
    so, in my case anyway, I guess I ended up pretty close to my
    upbringing, and it's stuck. But I haven't set foot in a Unitarian
    church since I was about 9 years old. I guess I'll have to try it out
    again at least once before I die.

  18. I'm a top-posting rebel.

    I'm involved with people who practice meditation and some Hindu beliefs
    and practices, but are not Hindus because they were not born
    Hindus--there is literally no conversion process. There are a lot of
    things I like about these beliefs and practices, but the faux-Hinduism
    of it bothers me. I find it to be a sort of reverse-Imperialism. In
    particular, I find the advice about love and mating to be very
    entrenched in Indian beliefs and practices and therefore of little use
    to Westerners.

    I guess my motto is be what you are but do what you do.

    It is a good motto since it is simultaneously obvious and ambiguous.
    Madelaine

    (Larry Weisenthal) said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One flaw of this test is that some religions are not something you can

    choose, you have to be born into them.<<

    That's the purpose of the test. To match people with actual
    faiths/philosophies, as opposed to upbringing/indoctrination.

    The most interesting result I've found so far (in addition to my Dad's
    neo-paganism) is an Islamic friend (from Pakistan) who scored very high
    for orthodox and reform Judaism but in the bottom 1/3 of the list for
    Islam. Then there is another of my friends (a Republican Baptist) who
    scored 100% for Orthodox Quaker and considerably lower for mainline to
    conservative Protestant.

    By birth, I'm half Jewish/half Finnish (Protestant). For only about a
    year of my upbringing did my parents attend a weekly religious service
    and take me and my brother. This was a Unitarian/Universalist assembly,
    so, in my case anyway, I guess I ended up pretty close to my
    upbringing, and it's stuck. But I haven't set foot in a Unitarian
    church since I was about 9 years old. I guess I'll have to try it out
    again at least once before I die.

  19. Quoted message said:

    From Maelaine:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm involved with people who practice meditation and some Hindu beliefs


    and practices, but are not Hindus because they were not born
    Hindus--there is literally no conversion process. <<

    I was thinking, that, if I ever again feel drawn to a higher power, I
    might well join a whole lot of others who explored Hinduism.

    It's actually a religion which makes some sense to me, from the point
    of view of "if I were God, then how would I do things?"

    The really fatal flaw with Christianity (in my mind) is it's extreme
    favoritism to circumstances of birth, over which no one has any
    control. If one is born into a devoutly Christian home, it is very
    easy to find one's way to Christianity. One doesn't really have to do
    any work at all. It is pretty much home delivered. Compare/contrast
    with Fareed Ahmad or whomever, born on the Gaza strip or any of
    billions of similar people, for whom it would take a virtual miracle to
    ever receive serious exposure to Christianity. I've talked at length
    about this sort of thing with my Dad. Had he been born an Arab, he'd
    be among the leaders of the fight against "Zionism." Had he been born
    in Alabama, he'd thump Bibles with the most fervent of the Religious
    Right. But he was born a Jew, and made his way to Israel to drive a big
    supply truck while serving in the Israeli army in the 1973 Yom Kippur
    war (still has his official Israeli army discharge papers framed on his
    wall at home). So he considers himself to be a (fiercely loyal) Jew,
    but with neo-pagan beliefs/philosophies. Go figure.

    Hinduism is the world's most tolerant religion. The theme is basically
    one of self-improvement. One strives to become less imperfect, less
    sinful, more tolerant, more at peace with the world, and, in so doing,
    to make the world a better place. It doesn't matter how this is done.
    Hindus are perfectly happy for Christians to be Christian and Jews to
    be Jews and Muslims to be Muslims and secularists to be secular, if
    that is the path through which each person can achieve self improvement
    and inner peace. For those who wish it, Hinduism provides methods of
    facilitating these goals, but it is not required that one embrace
    Hinduism itself or any of its practices. It's just there if it is
    wanted and needed. But other ways are OK, as well. There is the
    (optional) belief in reincarnation. The quest for self-improvement is
    so daunting that it takes more than one or two lifetimes. It can take
    many lifetimes. But, after a period of time and a number of lifetimes,
    one has gradually reached such a state of self improvement that further
    human, earthly existence is no longer required, and one is spiritually
    ready for heaven.

    I find this to be both intellectually and spiritually appealing. If I
    were God, this is EXACTLY how I'd do it.

    - Larry W

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