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  1. In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Report outlines plans for corporate plunder of Iraqi oil
    By James Cogan
    8 December 2005

    A report published in November by the London-based environmental and
    social justice network Platform makes clear that the invasion and
    occupation of Iraq was, and remains, a war for oil. The document,
    entitled “Crude Designs: the rip-off of Iraq’s oil wealth”, is a
    concise review of how Iraq’s vast energy resources, worth hundreds of
    billions of dollars, will be handed to transnational companies over
    the next several years.

    “Crude Designs” found that if just 12 of Iraq’s undeveloped fields are
    contracted in a similar fashion to comparable oil fields in Libya,
    Oman and Russia, transnationals will reap profits of between $74
    billion and $194 billion in 2006 dollars over a 30-year period. The
    estimate, which the report describes as “conservative”, is based on an
    oil price of $40 per barrel. The current price is closer to $60 per
    barrel.

    The actual bonanza for the oil giants from the invasion of Iraq could
    run into the trillions. Out of the country’s 80 known fields, just 17
    are currently in production. A further 63 undeveloped fields have an
    estimated 75 billion barrels of oil, while industry experts believe
    between 100 billion and 200 billion barrels lie in unexplored fields.
    The country also has enormous untapped reserves of natural gas.

    The Platform report establishes that control over these resources was
    the primary motive for the war. The first chapter draws attention to
    the discussion in US and British ruling circles on the strategic
    importance of dominating the oil and gas of the Persian Gulf. It cites
    the May 2001 report of the Bush administration’s Energy Task Force,
    which was headed by Vice President [censored] Cheney. The findings declared:
    “The Gulf will be the primary focus of US international energy policy.”

    The terror attacks on New York and Washington on September 11, 2001,
    just four months later, were used to set in motion long-held plans for
    the military conquest of the region.

    In the months before the March 20, 2003 invasion, the looting of
    Iraq’s oil was the key consideration in Washington. The US State
    Department established a “Future of Iraq” project as early as April
    2002. The project’s Oil and Energy group decided in four meetings
    between December 2002 and April 2003 that Iraq’s oil industry “should
    be opened to international oil companies as quickly as possible after
    the war”.

    Among the group’s participants was Ibrahim al-Uloum, an Iraqi exile
    with a PhD in petroleum engineering from New Mexico University.
    Al-Uloum was appointed oil minister in the US-controlled Coalition
    Provisional Authority (CPA) and, with US backing, fills the same post
    in the current “transitional” government of Prime Minister Ibrahim
    al-Jaafari. The reason for Washington’s support is not hard to
    explain. In September 2003, Uloum told the British-based Financial
    Times that American energy companies should have “priority” over Iraqi
    oil fields.

    The contractual form agreed on by the US experts and Iraqi exiles for
    the development of Iraq’s oil industry was the Production Sharing
    Agreement (PSA).

    Platform characterises PSAs as an “ingenious arrangement”. They were
    first introduced in the 1960s as a means for circumventing
    constitutional obstacles or political opposition to the privatisation
    of nationalised oil industries. Under a PSA, the oil remains legally
    the possession of the state where it is extracted. Only the operation
    of the field is controlled by the foreign operator, generally for a
    period of 25 to 40 years.

    PSAs have proven to be a far more lucrative form of contract for
    transnational energy conglomerates than royalty arrangements. Under
    most royalty deals, the state takes a fixed percentage of the value of
    each barrel of oil extracted, regardless of the company’s costs or
    profit margin. Under a PSA, because the state still ostensibly “owns”
    the oil, the revenue from sales is firstly used to pay the company in
    full for its exploration, production and other capital costs. The
    remaining profits are split between the state and the company,
    according to an agreed ratio.

    The profit split generally appears to be to the advantage of the state
    with ratios of 60:40 or even higher. The companies, however, are
    guaranteed a return, as all their costs are covered before any
    profit-sharing begins. Moreover, they can increase their share of the
    total revenue by inflating their costs or by subcontracting work to
    their own subsidiaries.

    A PSA contract can also contain clauses that overtly advantage the
    company. One such PSA was signed by the Russian government during the
    1990s. The agreement, which gave Shell control of the Sakhalin II
    project near Sakhalin Island in Russia’s Far East, stipulated that the
    Russian government would receive no share at all until the company had
    achieved a specified profit margin.

    Moreover, the Platform report notes that a PSA can specify that any
    disputes be resolved in international tribunals such as the US-based
    International Centre for the Settlement of Investment Disputes or the
    French-based International Chamber of Commerce. These bodies are
    controlled by the major powers rather than the nation-state where the
    oil is being extracted.

    Summing up the essential characteristic of a PSA, a British academic
    cited by Platform wrote: “The government can be seen to be running the
    show—and the company can run it behind the camouflage of legal title
    symbolising the assertion of national sovereignty.”

    Naked corporate plunder

    The decision by the US occupation to apply this PSA model to Iraq
    amounts to naked corporate plunder. While common in countries that do
    not possess large reserves of oil and gas, or where the cost of the
    development of fields is substantial—such as offshore oil wells—PSAs
    are virtually unheard of in large oil-producing states like Iraq. Such
    nations either exploit their energy resources directly or use their
    bargaining power to negotiate far more equitable contracts.

    Platform points out that of the seven largest oil producers—Saudi
    Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela and
    Russia, which collectively sit on top of 72 percent of the world’s
    known reserves—only Russia has ever signed PSAs. During the first
    stage of capitalist restoration in the 1990s, when the Stalinist
    regime literally liquidated the state-owned assets of the former
    Soviet Union, Moscow entered three such agreements. All have cost the
    Russian state billions of dollars in lost revenues and are the subject
    of bitter recriminations.

    The most expansive period in the history of the Iraqi oil industry was
    between 1970 and 1979. Financed directly by the government, the
    state-owned Iraqi National Oil Company increased production from 1.5
    million barrels per day to 3.7 million barrels per day, and explored
    eight of the largest new fields that still have not been developed.

    Iraq’s new constitution, however, was written by US officials and
    Iraqi collaborators with the occupation to exclude any possibility of
    this being repeated.

    The clauses referring to oil and gas establish the legal mechanisms
    for PSAs. Article 108 proscribes the direct privatisation of the
    energy resources by declaring that oil and gas “are the ownership of
    all the people of Iraq in all the regions and governorates”. Clause
    two of Article 109, however, stipulates that the different branches of
    Iraq’s government “formulate the necessary strategic policies to
    develop the oil and gas wealth in a way that achieves the highest
    benefit to the Iraqi people using the most advanced techniques of
    market principles and encourages investment” (emphasis added).

    Under PSAs, the transnational companies will not “own” Iraq’s oil and
    gas. Rather, they will develop the reserves according to “market
    principles” on the basis of one-sided contracts that “encourage
    investment”.

    Furthermore, the first clause of Article 109 stipulates that the Iraqi
    federal government only has authority over the “management of oil and
    gas extracted from current fields”. Article 111 declares that “all
    powers not stipulated in the exclusive authorities of the federal
    government shall be the powers of the regions and governorates”. The
    implication is that the federal government will control the 17
    currently producing fields, while the 63 undeveloped fields, as well
    as any new discoveries, will be under the jurisdiction of the regions
    and provinces.

    In other words, PSAs can be signed for the exploitation of new fields
    with regional governments such as the Kurdish Regional Government
    (KRG) in northern Iraq, or the provincial governments in the
    predominantly Shiite Arab and oil-rich south. The Platform report
    notes that of the 25 new fields named by the Iraqi Ministry of Oil in
    1995 for “priority development”, 11 were in the south, 11 in the north
    and just 4 were in the central region.

    The constitution was ratified by referendum on October 15. Significant
    portions of Iraq’s oil can therefore be hived off to transnational
    energy giants regardless of who makes up the government in Baghdad
    after the elections on December 15, or how long the anti-occupation
    insurgency continues in the predominantly Sunni Arab provinces of
    central Iraq.

    Last week, this process began. The KRG announced that drilling had
    begun on the Tawke field in northern Iraq on the basis of a PSA signed
    with the Norwegian company DNO in June 2004. The agreement gives 60
    percent profit to the Kurdish region and 40 percent to the company.
    The project is the first oil development by a foreign company in Iraq
    for 20 years.

    A veritable rush of PSAs can be expected over the coming period, with
    the terms likely to be even more favourable to the transnational
    companies than anything seen elsewhere.

    “Crude Designs” states: “The key issue here is bargaining power. The
    Iraqi state is new and weak, and damaged by ongoing violence and by
    corruption, and the country is still under military occupation ... the
    oil companies will inevitably wish to focus on the current security
    situation to push for a deal comparable to—or better than—that in
    other countries in the world, while downplaying the huge reserves and
    low production costs that make Iraq an irresistible investment.”

    The report points to a blatantly neo-colonial contractual clause that
    is likely to be inserted into PSAs on the demand of the US and other
    occupying powers—a stipulation against government interference over
    oil production rates.

    Platform observes: “Iraq would not be able to control the depletion
    rate of its oil resources—as an oil dependent country, the depletion
    rate is absolutely key to Iraq’s development strategy, but would be
    largely out of the government’s control. Unable to hold back foreign
    companies’ production rates, Iraq would also be likely to have
    difficulty complying with OPEC (Organisation of Petroleum Exporting
    Countries) quotas which would harm Iraq’s position within OPEC and
    potentially the effectiveness of OPEC itself.”

    A key objective of the major powers since the oil crisis of the 1970s
    has been to shatter the ability of the main oil-producing states to
    ever again ration world oil supplies.

    In the lead-up to the March 2003 invasion, the propaganda of the Bush
    administration and its international allies was that the war was
    motivated by the need to eliminate the threat posed by Iraq’s “weapons
    of mass destruction”, particularly its alleged efforts to acquire
    nuclear weapons. The invading powers also claimed to possess evidence
    of links between the regime of Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda
    terrorist network.

    These lies were the justification for a predatory and illegal war.
    While Platform did not dwell on the report’s political implications,
    “Crude Designs” provides ample data to underscore that the unanimity
    in the American political establishment that the occupation of Iraq
    must continue is bound up with vital economic and strategic interests
    of the most powerful sections of the American corporate and financial
    elite.

    -

    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

  2. Cha ching!

    Lester

    "Hank" <"impeach"@bu$h.gov> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Report outlines plans for corporate plunder of Iraqi oil
    By James Cogan
    8 December 2005

    A report published in November by the London-based environmental and
    social justice network Platform makes clear that the invasion and
    occupation of Iraq was, and remains, a war for oil. The document,
    entitled "Crude Designs: the rip-off of Iraq's oil wealth", is a
    concise review of how Iraq's vast energy resources, worth hundreds of
    billions of dollars, will be handed to transnational companies over
    the next several years.

    "Crude Designs" found that if just 12 of Iraq's undeveloped fields are
    contracted in a similar fashion to comparable oil fields in Libya,
    Oman and Russia, transnationals will reap profits of between $74
    billion and $194 billion in 2006 dollars over a 30-year period. The
    estimate, which the report describes as "conservative", is based on an
    oil price of $40 per barrel. The current price is closer to $60 per
    barrel.

    The actual bonanza for the oil giants from the invasion of Iraq could
    run into the trillions. Out of the country's 80 known fields, just 17
    are currently in production. A further 63 undeveloped fields have an
    estimated 75 billion barrels of oil, while industry experts believe
    between 100 billion and 200 billion barrels lie in unexplored fields.
    The country also has enormous untapped reserves of natural gas.

    The Platform report establishes that control over these resources was
    the primary motive for the war. The first chapter draws attention to
    the discussion in US and British ruling circles on the strategic
    importance of dominating the oil and gas of the Persian Gulf. It cites
    the May 2001 report of the Bush administration's Energy Task Force,
    which was headed by Vice President [censored] Cheney. The findings declared:
    "The Gulf will be the primary focus of US international energy policy."

    The terror attacks on New York and Washington on September 11, 2001,
    just four months later, were used to set in motion long-held plans for
    the military conquest of the region.

    In the months before the March 20, 2003 invasion, the looting of
    Iraq's oil was the key consideration in Washington. The US State
    Department established a "Future of Iraq" project as early as April
    2002. The project's Oil and Energy group decided in four meetings
    between December 2002 and April 2003 that Iraq's oil industry "should
    be opened to international oil companies as quickly as possible after
    the war".

    Among the group's participants was Ibrahim al-Uloum, an Iraqi exile
    with a PhD in petroleum engineering from New Mexico University.
    Al-Uloum was appointed oil minister in the US-controlled Coalition
    Provisional Authority (CPA) and, with US backing, fills the same post
    in the current "transitional" government of Prime Minister Ibrahim
    al-Jaafari. The reason for Washington's support is not hard to
    explain. In September 2003, Uloum told the British-based Financial
    Times that American energy companies should have "priority" over Iraqi
    oil fields.

    The contractual form agreed on by the US experts and Iraqi exiles for
    the development of Iraq's oil industry was the Production Sharing
    Agreement (PSA).

    Platform characterises PSAs as an "ingenious arrangement". They were
    first introduced in the 1960s as a means for circumventing
    constitutional obstacles or political opposition to the privatisation
    of nationalised oil industries. Under a PSA, the oil remains legally
    the possession of the state where it is extracted. Only the operation
    of the field is controlled by the foreign operator, generally for a
    period of 25 to 40 years.

    PSAs have proven to be a far more lucrative form of contract for
    transnational energy conglomerates than royalty arrangements. Under
    most royalty deals, the state takes a fixed percentage of the value of
    each barrel of oil extracted, regardless of the company's costs or
    profit margin. Under a PSA, because the state still ostensibly "owns"
    the oil, the revenue from sales is firstly used to pay the company in
    full for its exploration, production and other capital costs. The
    remaining profits are split between the state and the company,
    according to an agreed ratio.

    The profit split generally appears to be to the advantage of the state
    with ratios of 60:40 or even higher. The companies, however, are
    guaranteed a return, as all their costs are covered before any
    profit-sharing begins. Moreover, they can increase their share of the
    total revenue by inflating their costs or by subcontracting work to
    their own subsidiaries.

    A PSA contract can also contain clauses that overtly advantage the
    company. One such PSA was signed by the Russian government during the
    1990s. The agreement, which gave Shell control of the Sakhalin II
    project near Sakhalin Island in Russia's Far East, stipulated that the
    Russian government would receive no share at all until the company had
    achieved a specified profit margin.

    Moreover, the Platform report notes that a PSA can specify that any
    disputes be resolved in international tribunals such as the US-based
    International Centre for the Settlement of Investment Disputes or the
    French-based International Chamber of Commerce. These bodies are
    controlled by the major powers rather than the nation-state where the
    oil is being extracted.

    Summing up the essential characteristic of a PSA, a British academic
    cited by Platform wrote: "The government can be seen to be running the
    show-and the company can run it behind the camouflage of legal title
    symbolising the assertion of national sovereignty."

    Naked corporate plunder

    The decision by the US occupation to apply this PSA model to Iraq
    amounts to naked corporate plunder. While common in countries that do
    not possess large reserves of oil and gas, or where the cost of the
    development of fields is substantial-such as offshore oil wells-PSAs
    are virtually unheard of in large oil-producing states like Iraq. Such
    nations either exploit their energy resources directly or use their
    bargaining power to negotiate far more equitable contracts.

    Platform points out that of the seven largest oil producers-Saudi
    Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela and
    Russia, which collectively sit on top of 72 percent of the world's
    known reserves-only Russia has ever signed PSAs. During the first
    stage of capitalist restoration in the 1990s, when the Stalinist
    regime literally liquidated the state-owned assets of the former
    Soviet Union, Moscow entered three such agreements. All have cost the
    Russian state billions of dollars in lost revenues and are the subject
    of bitter recriminations.

    The most expansive period in the history of the Iraqi oil industry was
    between 1970 and 1979. Financed directly by the government, the
    state-owned Iraqi National Oil Company increased production from 1.5
    million barrels per day to 3.7 million barrels per day, and explored
    eight of the largest new fields that still have not been developed.

    Iraq's new constitution, however, was written by US officials and
    Iraqi collaborators with the occupation to exclude any possibility of
    this being repeated.

    The clauses referring to oil and gas establish the legal mechanisms
    for PSAs. Article 108 proscribes the direct privatisation of the
    energy resources by declaring that oil and gas "are the ownership of
    all the people of Iraq in all the regions and governorates". Clause
    two of Article 109, however, stipulates that the different branches of
    Iraq's government "formulate the necessary strategic policies to
    develop the oil and gas wealth in a way that achieves the highest
    benefit to the Iraqi people using the most advanced techniques of
    market principles and encourages investment" (emphasis added).

    Under PSAs, the transnational companies will not "own" Iraq's oil and
    gas. Rather, they will develop the reserves according to "market
    principles" on the basis of one-sided contracts that "encourage
    investment".

    Furthermore, the first clause of Article 109 stipulates that the Iraqi
    federal government only has authority over the "management of oil and
    gas extracted from current fields". Article 111 declares that "all
    powers not stipulated in the exclusive authorities of the federal
    government shall be the powers of the regions and governorates". The
    implication is that the federal government will control the 17
    currently producing fields, while the 63 undeveloped fields, as well
    as any new discoveries, will be under the jurisdiction of the regions
    and provinces.

    In other words, PSAs can be signed for the exploitation of new fields
    with regional governments such as the Kurdish Regional Government
    (KRG) in northern Iraq, or the provincial governments in the
    predominantly Shiite Arab and oil-rich south. The Platform report
    notes that of the 25 new fields named by the Iraqi Ministry of Oil in
    1995 for "priority development", 11 were in the south, 11 in the north
    and just 4 were in the central region.

    The constitution was ratified by referendum on October 15. Significant
    portions of Iraq's oil can therefore be hived off to transnational
    energy giants regardless of who makes up the government in Baghdad
    after the elections on December 15, or how long the anti-occupation
    insurgency continues in the predominantly Sunni Arab provinces of
    central Iraq.

    Last week, this process began. The KRG announced that drilling had
    begun on the Tawke field in northern Iraq on the basis of a PSA signed
    with the Norwegian company DNO in June 2004. The agreement gives 60
    percent profit to the Kurdish region and 40 percent to the company.
    The project is the first oil development by a foreign company in Iraq
    for 20 years.

    A veritable rush of PSAs can be expected over the coming period, with
    the terms likely to be even more favourable to the transnational
    companies than anything seen elsewhere.

    "Crude Designs" states: "The key issue here is bargaining power. The
    Iraqi state is new and weak, and damaged by ongoing violence and by
    corruption, and the country is still under military occupation ... the
    oil companies will inevitably wish to focus on the current security
    situation to push for a deal comparable to-or better than-that in
    other countries in the world, while downplaying the huge reserves and
    low production costs that make Iraq an irresistible investment."

    The report points to a blatantly neo-colonial contractual clause that
    is likely to be inserted into PSAs on the demand of the US and other
    occupying powers-a stipulation against government interference over
    oil production rates.

    Platform observes: "Iraq would not be able to control the depletion
    rate of its oil resources-as an oil dependent country, the depletion
    rate is absolutely key to Iraq's development strategy, but would be
    largely out of the government's control. Unable to hold back foreign
    companies' production rates, Iraq would also be likely to have
    difficulty complying with OPEC (Organisation of Petroleum Exporting
    Countries) quotas which would harm Iraq's position within OPEC and
    potentially the effectiveness of OPEC itself."

    A key objective of the major powers since the oil crisis of the 1970s
    has been to shatter the ability of the main oil-producing states to
    ever again ration world oil supplies.

    In the lead-up to the March 2003 invasion, the propaganda of the Bush
    administration and its international allies was that the war was
    motivated by the need to eliminate the threat posed by Iraq's "weapons
    of mass destruction", particularly its alleged efforts to acquire
    nuclear weapons. The invading powers also claimed to possess evidence
    of links between the regime of Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda
    terrorist network.

    These lies were the justification for a predatory and illegal war.
    While Platform did not dwell on the report's political implications,
    "Crude Designs" provides ample data to underscore that the unanimity
    in the American political establishment that the occupation of Iraq
    must continue is bound up with vital economic and strategic interests
    of the most powerful sections of the American corporate and financial
    elite.

    -

    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

  3. This is the best news coming out of Iraq in a long time. I'm all for
    it!

  4. Hank said:

    more [censored] the motorcycle group could care a less about.

    What a newsgroup troll.

    Kirb

  5. Hank <"impeach"@bu$h.gov> wrote:

    re http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.


    SNIP

    And *in case anyone still doesn't* strongly suspect that eventually a
    terrorist will detonate a nuclear device within the continental United
    States...

    Sadly, it's stories - fact or fiction - like these that trouble me and
    make me believe that someone will take that step when the opportunity
    presents itself.

    Say a prayer...

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  6. Hank <"impeach"@bu$h.gov> wrote:

    re http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.


    SNIP

    And *in case anyone still doesn't* strongly suspect that eventually a
    terrorist will detonate a nuclear device within the continental United
    States...

    Sadly, it's stories - fact or fiction - like these that trouble me and
    make me believe that someone will take that step when the opportunity
    presents itself.

    Say a prayer...

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  7. Curt James said:

    And *in case anyone still doesn't* strongly suspect that eventually a
    terrorist will detonate a nuclear device within the continental United
    States...


    ....is a moron. It is inevitable some scum will do it, if not here then
    somewhere else.

    Quoted message said:

    Sadly, it's stories - fact or fiction - like these that trouble me and
    make me believe that someone will take that step when the opportunity
    presents itself.

    You're pointing out the obvious Spurt.

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  8. Curt James said:


    Say a prayer...

    Dear Jesus,

    Please make Curt STFU. Thanks!

    Amen.

  9. JMW said:

    Dear Jesus,

    Please make Curt STFU.

    He will. I just emailed AlQueida his coordinates, and suggested his
    house be ground zero when they decide to do it.

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  10. Curt James said:

    Hank <"impeach"@bu$h.gov> wrote:

    re http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.


    SNIP

    And *in case anyone still doesn't* strongly suspect that eventually a
    terrorist will detonate a nuclear device within the continental United
    States...

    Sadly, it's stories - fact or fiction - like these that trouble me and
    make me believe that someone will take that step when the opportunity
    presents itself.

    It is without doubt a realistic nightmare scenario.

  11. JMW said:
    Curt James said:


    Say a prayer...

    Dear Jesus,

    Please make Curt STFU. Thanks!

    Amen.

    When we last spoke about religion John, it was clear that you had no
    belief in a Supreme Being. Why then would you be calling on God in his
    earthly personification as Jesus, to assist you in your self
    appointed task of silencing those contributors whom you consider to be
    "trolls"?

  12. JMW said:
    Curt James said:


    Say a prayer...

    Dear Jesus,

    Please make Curt STFU. Thanks!

    Amen.

    Do you own a bicycle helmet? If not, buy one. If you own one, use it.
    You're welcome.

    And, although I didn't pray for it, we got a snow day today!

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  13. Can't make the subsitute; blood breaks down much faster at high
    temperatures than even the cheapest 10W-40.

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  14. Curt James said:

    Hank <"impeach"@bu$h.gov> wrote:

    re http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.


    SNIP

    And *in case anyone still doesn't* strongly suspect that eventually a
    terrorist will detonate a nuclear device within the continental United
    States...

    I'm starting to think it is a lot harder than it sounds and that the
    devices that existed during the cold war have quickly deteriorated to
    the point where they no longer work. If it were not darn near
    impossible I think it would have happened already. 9/11 would have
    been the proverbial mushroom cloud rather than jet missiles. These
    guys had years and a whole country to use as their base of operations
    and I really think that was the very best they could do. I think
    anyone anywhere in the world looking for anything nuclear pretty much
    brings down a waterfall of [censored] almost immediately. This is
    especially true because nobody cares if you throw every rule out the
    window to catch such people.

    I think the more real possibility is a dirty bomb but even that
    represents logistical challenges.

    --
    Is this thing on?

  15. "Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Curt James said:

    Hank <"impeach"@bu$h.gov> wrote:

    re http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/oil-d08.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    In case anyone still doesn't know why the draft
    dodgers on the bu$h regime have violated International
    Law, wasted hundreds of BILLIONS of desperately needed
    U.S. taxpayer dollars, killed or crippled well over ten
    thousand U.S. soldiers, and murdered tens of thousands
    of innocent Iraq civilians with their illegal, immoral,
    and globally condemned terror campaign in Iraq, the answer
    is detailed in the article below.


    SNIP

    And *in case anyone still doesn't* strongly suspect that eventually a
    terrorist will detonate a nuclear device within the continental United
    States...

    I'm starting to think it is a lot harder than it sounds and that the
    devices that existed during the cold war have quickly deteriorated to
    the point where they no longer work. If it were not darn near
    impossible I think it would have happened already. 9/11 would have
    been the proverbial mushroom cloud rather than jet missiles. These
    guys had years and a whole country to use as their base of operations
    and I really think that was the very best they could do. I think
    anyone anywhere in the world looking for anything nuclear pretty much
    brings down a waterfall of [censored] almost immediately. This is
    especially true because nobody cares if you throw every rule out the
    window to catch such people.

    I think the more real possibility is a dirty bomb but even that
    represents logistical challenges.

    Dunno. Forget the nukes that were around for decades - now you have
    countries like North Korea and Pakistan with nuclear know-how, a need for
    hard currency. You have Alquada with plenty of money and their zealotry to
    motivate them. They also have all the expertise money can buy. I think it is
    just a matter of time before they get nukes and they will be able to blow up
    a city. Then another city. I don't see much hope as the genie is out of the
    bottle.

  16. On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:27:31 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Dunno. Forget the nukes that were around for decades - now you have
    countries like North Korea and Pakistan with nuclear know-how, a need for
    hard currency. You have Alquada with plenty of money and their zealotry to
    motivate them. They also have all the expertise money can buy. I think it is
    just a matter of time before they get nukes and they will be able to blow up
    a city. Then another city. I don't see much hope as the genie is out of the
    bottle.

    BAHAHAHAHA He alleges to have stopped responding to ME because I'm a
    troll, but replies to Hankie????? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  17. On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:27:31 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I think it is
    just a matter of time before they get nukes and they will be able to blow up
    a city. Then another city. I don't see much hope as the genie is out of the
    bottle.

    Dead wrong. They know that if they do, we will annihilate them. Their
    tactics are "hit and run", and if they go nuclear, there'll be no
    corner of the world remote enough for them to hide.

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  18. "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:27:31 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Dunno. Forget the nukes that were around for decades - now you have
    countries like North Korea and Pakistan with nuclear know-how, a need for
    hard currency. You have Alquada with plenty of money and their zealotry to
    motivate them. They also have all the expertise money can buy. I think it
    is
    just a matter of time before they get nukes and they will be able to blow
    up
    a city. Then another city. I don't see much hope as the genie is out of
    the
    bottle.

    BAHAHAHAHA He alleges to have stopped responding to ME because I'm a
    troll, but replies to Hankie????? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    No, troll, that was Joe Humble I was responding to not Hankie. I've got no
    problem responding to you when your posts are semi coherent

    Quoted message said:

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  19. "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:27:31 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I think it is
    just a matter of time before they get nukes and they will be able to blow
    up
    a city. Then another city. I don't see much hope as the genie is out of
    the
    bottle.

    Dead wrong. They know that if they do, we will annihilate them. Their
    tactics are "hit and run", and if they go nuclear, there'll be no
    corner of the world remote enough for them to hide.


    No, troll - they have no address. Where do you go to annihilate them?

    Quoted message said:

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  20. On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:07:45 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No, troll - they have no address. Where do you go to annihilate them?

    We found them in afghanistan, egypt, and many other places. One single
    country gets nuked, and NOBODY will ever again allow them in their
    borders.

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