Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles: Mountain Biking versus Wildlife

Mike Vandeman said:

Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
Mountain Biking versus Wildlife

Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every square inch of
the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven to
extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the greatest mass
extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our enjoyment of
life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful chemicals, and even
our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose whether
they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help create a
new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our righteous
enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and that it
can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor vehicles,
not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!

I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
lardasses.

Jay

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I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
to sing the "old piano wire blues"!

Gee, that could be construed as a death threat, Jay Stutz. Perhaps the
authorities (as well as your ISP) should check into this.

Moronic much?

BS

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Quoted message said:

Mike Vandeman said:

Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
Mountain Biking versus Wildlife

Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every square
inch of
the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven to
extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the greatest
mass
extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our enjoyment
of
life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful chemicals,
and even
our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose
whether
they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help
create a
new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our
righteous
enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and
that it
can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
vehicles,
not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!

I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
lardasses.

Jay

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A typical coward, not enough balls to confront someone face to face, he
likes to sneak around and string a wire across the trail to cause injury.
Nice crowd you run with Mike.

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Mike Vandeman said:

Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
Mountain Biking versus Wildlife

Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every square
inch of
the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven to
extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the greatest
mass
extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our enjoyment
of
life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful chemicals,
and even
our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose
whether
they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help
create a
new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our
righteous
enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and
that it
can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
vehicles,
not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!

I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
lardasses.

Jay

So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness to hurt
mountainbikers?
Introducing something harmful to wildlife?

Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a wish to
prevent other users from the trails.

Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.

But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:22:04 GMT, "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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..> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
..> to sing the "old piano wire blues"!
..
..Gee, that could be construed as a death threat, Jay Stutz. Perhaps the
..authorities (as well as your ISP) should check into this.
..
..Moronic much?
..
..BS

See, Jay, they completely miss the point! They are totally uneducable.

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:18:33 -0600, "di" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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..<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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..>
..> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
..>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
..>>
..>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every square
..>> inch of
..>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven to
..>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the greatest
..>> mass
..>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our enjoyment
..>> of
..>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful chemicals,
..>> and even
..>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose
..>> whether
..>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help
..>> create a
..>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our
..>> righteous
..>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and
..>> that it
..>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
..>> vehicles,
..>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!
..>
..> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
..> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
..> lardasses.
..>
..> Jay
..>>
..
..
..A typical coward, not enough balls to confront someone face to face, he
..likes to sneak around and string a wire across the trail to cause injury.
..Nice crowd you run with Mike.

Mountain bikers cause injury to wildlife, themselves, horses, and other people
every day, and think nothing of it. If YOU don't value your own life, why should
anyone else value it???????

===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:05:43 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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..<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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..>
..> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
..>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
..>>
..>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every square
..>> inch of
..>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven to
..>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the greatest
..>> mass
..>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our enjoyment
..>> of
..>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful chemicals,
..>> and even
..>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose
..>> whether
..>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help
..>> create a
..>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our
..>> righteous
..>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and
..>> that it
..>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
..>> vehicles,
..>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!
..>
..> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
..> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
..> lardasses.
..>
..> Jay
..
..So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness to hurt
..mountainbikers?
..Introducing something harmful to wildlife?
..
..Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a wish to
..prevent other users from the trails.
..
..Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.
..
..But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.

Mountain bikers have pretty much a monopoly on moronity, starting with
pretending that they can't walk, and therefore are excluded from any trail where
bikes are banned.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:18:33 -0600, "di" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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.A typical coward, not enough balls to confront someone face to face, he
.likes to sneak around and string a wire across the trail to cause injury.
.Nice crowd you run with Mike.

Mountain bikers cause injury to wildlife, themselves, horses, and other
people
every day, and think nothing of it. If YOU don't value your own life, why
should
anyone else value it???????

===

Ok, [censored], what would you and your buddy Jay think if someone were to put
bear traps, hidden on your hiking trails? How well could you hike with
only one leg? Dummies like Jay can be severely hurt when caught doing
what he proposes.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:00:54 -0600, "di" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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..> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:18:33 -0600, "di" <[email hidden]> wrote:
..>
..> .
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..>> .
..> .A typical coward, not enough balls to confront someone face to face, he
..> .likes to sneak around and string a wire across the trail to cause injury.
..> .Nice crowd you run with Mike.
..>
..> Mountain bikers cause injury to wildlife, themselves, horses, and other
..> people
..> every day, and think nothing of it. If YOU don't value your own life, why
..> should
..> anyone else value it???????
..>
..> ===
..
..Ok, [censored], what would you and your buddy Jay think if someone were to put
..bear traps, hidden on your hiking trails? How well could you hike with
..only one leg? Dummies like Jay can be severely hurt when caught doing
..what he proposes.

As you can by engaging in an extreme sport like mountain biking. Your plea for
sympathy doesn't ring true. It's just evolution in action. The reason you are
afraid is that you KNOW that mountain bikers ride much faster than they should,
increasing the danger by their own action. You can avoid the danger by simply
keeping your bikes off the trails.

===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:00:54 -0600, "di" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.
.
.Ok, [censored], what would you and your buddy Jay think if someone were to
put
.bear traps, hidden on your hiking trails? How well could you hike with
.only one leg? Dummies like Jay can be severely hurt when caught doing
.what he proposes.

As you can by engaging in an extreme sport like mountain biking. Your plea
for
sympathy doesn't ring true. It's just evolution in action. The reason you
are
afraid is that you KNOW that mountain bikers ride much faster than they
should,
increasing the danger by their own action. You can avoid the danger by
simply
keeping your bikes off the trails.

Plea for sympathy, & afraid? Not of a couple of jerks like you and your
buddy. The strange thing is, I don't even know any mountain bikers like
you describe. Why are you just so fearful of a few outlaw bikers, that you
have to fear all? And, what about the bear traps?

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:05:43 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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.<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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.>
.> Mike Vandeman wrote:
.>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
.>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
.>>
.>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every
square
.>> inch of
.>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven
to
.>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the
greatest
.>> mass
.>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our
enjoyment
.>> of
.>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful
chemicals,
.>> and even
.>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose
.>> whether
.>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help
.>> create a
.>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our
.>> righteous
.>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and
.>> that it
.>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
.>> vehicles,
.>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!
.>
.> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
.> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
.> lardasses.
.>
.> Jay
.
.So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness to
hurt
.mountainbikers?
.Introducing something harmful to wildlife?
.
.Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a wish
to
.prevent other users from the trails.
.
.Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.
.
.But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.

Mountain bikers have pretty much a monopoly on moronity, starting with
pretending that they can't walk, and therefore are excluded from any trail
where
bikes are banned.

please show proof mountainbikers 'pretend they cant walk' .
Of course , you cant, its made up, just like the rest of your psuedo
scientific drivel.

I CAN prove, as shown in this thread, you defend attempting to murder people
in your vain attempt to have the trails free from anyone other than hikers,
not for the environment(if that were the genuine reason, you wouldnt hike
at all), but for your own bigoted view of people that ride mountain bikes.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:28:54 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..news:[email hidden]...
..> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:05:43 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
..> wrote:
..>
..> .
..> .<[email hidden]> wrote in message
..> .news:[email hidden]...
..> .>
..> .> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> .>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
..> .>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
..> .>>
..> .>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every
..> square
..> .>> inch of
..> .>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being driven
..> to
..> .>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the
..> greatest
..> .>> mass
..> .>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our
..> enjoyment
..> .>> of
..> .>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful
..> chemicals,
..> .>> and even
..> .>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must choose
..> .>> whether
..> .>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or help
..> .>> create a
..> .>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In our
..> .>> righteous
..> .>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine, and
..> .>> that it
..> .>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
..> .>> vehicles,
..> .>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!
..> .>
..> .> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few were
..> .> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
..> .> lardasses.
..> .>
..> .> Jay
..> .
..> .So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness to
..> hurt
..> .mountainbikers?
..> .Introducing something harmful to wildlife?
..> .
..> .Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a wish
..> to
..> .prevent other users from the trails.
..> .
..> .Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.
..> .
..> .But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.
..>
..> Mountain bikers have pretty much a monopoly on moronity, starting with
..> pretending that they can't walk, and therefore are excluded from any trail
..> where
..> bikes are banned.
..
..please show proof mountainbikers 'pretend they cant walk' .

They are always claiming that when bikes are banned, they are "excluded" from
the park. QED

..Of course , you cant, its made up, just like the rest of your psuedo
..scientific drivel.
..
..I CAN prove, as shown in this thread, you defend attempting to murder people
..in your vain attempt to have the trails free from anyone other than hikers,
..not for the environment(if that were the genuine reason, you wouldnt hike
..at all), but for your own bigoted view of people that ride mountain bikes.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:28:54 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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.> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:05:43 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
.> wrote:
.>
.> .
.> .<[email hidden]> wrote in message
.> .news:[email hidden]...
.> .>
.> .> Mike Vandeman wrote:
.> .>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
.> .>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
.> .>>
.> .>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every
.> square
.> .>> inch of
.> .>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being
driven
.> to
.> .>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the
.> greatest
.> .>> mass
.> .>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our
.> enjoyment
.> .>> of
.> .>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful
.> chemicals,
.> .>> and even
.> .>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must
choose
.> .>> whether
.> .>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or
help
.> .>> create a
.> .>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In
our
.> .>> righteous
.> .>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine,
and
.> .>> that it
.> .>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
.> .>> vehicles,
.> .>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!
.> .>
.> .> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few
were
.> .> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
.> .> lardasses.
.> .>
.> .> Jay
.> .
.> .So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness to
.> hurt
.> .mountainbikers?
.> .Introducing something harmful to wildlife?
.> .
.> .Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a
wish
.> to
.> .prevent other users from the trails.
.> .
.> .Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.
.> .
.> .But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.
.>
.> Mountain bikers have pretty much a monopoly on moronity, starting with
.> pretending that they can't walk, and therefore are excluded from any
trail
.> where
.> bikes are banned.
.
.please show proof mountainbikers 'pretend they cant walk' .

They are always claiming that when bikes are banned, they are "excluded"
from
the park. QED

Is that claiming 'they cant walk' ?
Not to a sane person, so again, you lie.

Moreso than this, and Im glad this is archived along with all the garbage of
the past, to keep bikers from paths you desire for yourself, you claim to be
acting on environmental grounds, to protect wildlife, you have done this for
10 years or more.
Now, here we have you condoning contaminating wilderness with piano wire,
which, to be effective against bikers, is at just the right height to
decapitate deer.
Finally you show your true colours, you dont care about the environment, you
have actively endorsed laying unattended traps in the wilderness. I havent
seen you protest at the damage piano wire left in the wilderness would do to
wildlife, I see you applauding the suggestion.
Is this how you create 'pure habitat' Mike? string enough piano wire around
to make the area unusable by man or beast, so it can be your own private
playground?

So, Mr 'Environmentalist' , given you endorse laying traps in the
wilderness, how many Deer is it acceptable for you to garotte to get rid of
mountain bikers?

We should all remember to pass on this conversation, and Mr Vanderman's
complete disregard for wildlife wellfare or habitat contamination in persuit
of his biker free hiking to the next meeting he wishes to read his 'paper'
to.

Quoted message said:

.Of course , you cant, its made up, just like the rest of your psuedo
.scientific drivel.
.
.I CAN prove, as shown in this thread, you defend attempting to murder
people
.in your vain attempt to have the trails free from anyone other than
hikers,
.not for the environment(if that were the genuine reason, you wouldnt
hike
.at all), but for your own bigoted view of people that ride mountain
bikes.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:13:06 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..news:[email hidden]...
..> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:28:54 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
..> wrote:
..>
..> .
..> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..> .news:[email hidden]...
..> .> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:05:43 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
..> .> wrote:
..> .>
..> .> .
..> .> .<[email hidden]> wrote in message
..> .> .news:[email hidden]...
..> .> .>
..> .> .> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> .> .>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
..> .> .>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
..> .> .>>
..> .> .>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate, every
..> .> square
..> .> .>> inch of
..> .> .>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being
..> driven
..> .> to
..> .> .>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the
..> .> greatest
..> .> .>> mass
..> .> .>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our
..> .> enjoyment
..> .> .>> of
..> .> .>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful
..> .> chemicals,
..> .> .>> and even
..> .> .>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must
..> choose
..> .> .>> whether
..> .> .>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or
..> help
..> .> .>> create a
..> .> .>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity. In
..> our
..> .> .>> righteous
..> .> .>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a machine,
..> and
..> .> .>> that it
..> .> .>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace motor
..> .> .>> vehicles,
..> .> .>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife habitat!
..> .> .>
..> .> .> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few
..> were
..> .> .> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
..> .> .> lardasses.
..> .> .>
..> .> .> Jay
..> .> .
..> .> .So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness to
..> .> hurt
..> .> .mountainbikers?
..> .> .Introducing something harmful to wildlife?
..> .> .
..> .> .Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a
..> wish
..> .> to
..> .> .prevent other users from the trails.
..> .> .
..> .> .Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.
..> .> .
..> .> .But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.
..> .>
..> .> Mountain bikers have pretty much a monopoly on moronity, starting with
..> .> pretending that they can't walk, and therefore are excluded from any
..> trail
..> .> where
..> .> bikes are banned.
..> .
..> .please show proof mountainbikers 'pretend they cant walk' .
..>
..> They are always claiming that when bikes are banned, they are "excluded"
..> from
..> the park. QED
..Is that claiming 'they cant walk' ?

Yes. Since they are able to go on those trails if they can walk, they must not
be able to walk. Otherwise, they wouldn't be "excluded". DUH!

..Not to a sane person, so again, you lie.
..
..Moreso than this, and Im glad this is archived along with all the garbage of
..the past, to keep bikers from paths you desire for yourself, you claim to be
..acting on environmental grounds, to protect wildlife, you have done this for
..10 years or more.
..Now, here we have you condoning contaminating wilderness with piano wire,
..which, to be effective against bikers, is at just the right height to
..decapitate deer.
..Finally you show your true colours, you dont care about the environment, you
..have actively endorsed laying unattended traps in the wilderness. I havent
..seen you protest at the damage piano wire left in the wilderness would do to
..wildlife, I see you applauding the suggestion.
..Is this how you create 'pure habitat' Mike? string enough piano wire around
..to make the area unusable by man or beast, so it can be your own private
..playground?
..
..So, Mr 'Environmentalist' , given you endorse laying traps in the
..wilderness, how many Deer is it acceptable for you to garotte to get rid of
..mountain bikers?
..
..We should all remember to pass on this conversation, and Mr Vanderman's
..complete disregard for wildlife wellfare or habitat contamination in persuit
..of his biker free hiking to the next meeting he wishes to read his 'paper'
..to.

You couldn't think your way out of a paper bag. Everything you say is nonsense
-- nothing new for a mountain biker.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:13:06 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
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."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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.> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:28:54 GMT, "Mark" <[email hidden]>
.> wrote:
.>
.> .
.> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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.> .> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:05:43 GMT, "Mark"
<[email hidden]>
.> .> wrote:
.> .>
.> .> .
.> .> .<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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.> .> .>
.> .> .> Mike Vandeman wrote:
.> .> .>> Appropriate and Inappropriate Use of Bicycles:
.> .> .>> Mountain Biking versus Wildlife
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>> Humans believe that they own, and have a right to dominate,
every
.> .> square
.> .> .>> inch of
.> .> .>> the Earth. The consequence is that wildlife species are being
.> driven
.> .> to
.> .> .>> extinction at an enormous rate, comparable to that of any of the
.> .> greatest
.> .> .>> mass
.> .> .>> extinctions in the Earth's history. This process threatens our
.> .> enjoyment
.> .> .>> of
.> .> .>> life, the availability of foods, medicines, and other useful
.> .> chemicals,
.> .> .>> and even
.> .> .>> our survival as a species. Bicyclists, like everyone else, must
.> choose
.> .> .>> whether
.> .> .>> they want to continue this ancient, human-centered tradition, or
.> help
.> .> .>> create a
.> .> .>> new biocentric ethic that cherishes and protects biodiversity.
In
.> our
.> .> .>> righteous
.> .> .>> enthusiasm for the bicycle, let's not forget that it is a
machine,
.> and
.> .> .>> that it
.> .> .>> can do harm as well as good. Let's use the bicycle to replace
motor
.> .> .>> vehicles,
.> .> .>> not to expand man's already excessive reach into wildlife
habitat!
.> .> .>
.> .> .> I'll bet those mountain bikers would be more thoughtful if a few
.> were
.> .> .> to sing the "old piano wire blues"! Same for ATV's and Snowmobile
.> .> .> lardasses.
.> .> .>
.> .> .> Jay
.> .> .
.> .> .So your idea is to string 'piano wire' unattended in the wilderness
to
.> .> hurt
.> .> .mountainbikers?
.> .> .Introducing something harmful to wildlife?
.> .> .
.> .> .Seems the real agenda here is not wildlife protection but merely a
.> wish
.> .> to
.> .> .prevent other users from the trails.
.> .> .
.> .> .Pretty much Mikes reson detre too , as it happens.
.> .> .
.> .> .But thank you for showing what morons mike attracts to his 'cause'.
.> .>
.> .> Mountain bikers have pretty much a monopoly on moronity, starting
with
.> .> pretending that they can't walk, and therefore are excluded from any
.> trail
.> .> where
.> .> bikes are banned.
.> .
.> .please show proof mountainbikers 'pretend they cant walk' .
.>
.> They are always claiming that when bikes are banned, they are
"excluded"
.> from
.> the park. QED
.Is that claiming 'they cant walk' ?

Yes. Since they are able to go on those trails if they can walk, they must
not
be able to walk. Otherwise, they wouldn't be "excluded". DUH!

.Not to a sane person, so again, you lie.
.
.Moreso than this, and Im glad this is archived along with all the garbage
of
.the past, to keep bikers from paths you desire for yourself, you claim to
be
.acting on environmental grounds, to protect wildlife, you have done this
for
.10 years or more.
.Now, here we have you condoning contaminating wilderness with piano wire,
.which, to be effective against bikers, is at just the right height to
.decapitate deer.
.Finally you show your true colours, you dont care about the environment,
you
.have actively endorsed laying unattended traps in the wilderness. I
havent
.seen you protest at the damage piano wire left in the wilderness would do
to
.wildlife, I see you applauding the suggestion.
.Is this how you create 'pure habitat' Mike? string enough piano wire
around
.to make the area unusable by man or beast, so it can be your own private
.playground?
.
.So, Mr 'Environmentalist' , given you endorse laying traps in the
.wilderness, how many Deer is it acceptable for you to garotte to get rid
of
.mountain bikers?
.
.We should all remember to pass on this conversation, and Mr Vanderman's
.complete disregard for wildlife wellfare or habitat contamination in
persuit
.of his biker free hiking to the next meeting he wishes to read his
'paper'
.to.

You couldn't think your way out of a paper bag. Everything you say is
nonsense
-- nothing new for a mountain biker.

Are you now trying to claim that unattended piano wire traps are selective
in their victims?
If not, then explain how anything Ive said isnt truth. Piano wire left in
the wilderness is contamination, just as sure as any other rubbish dumping,
and you , in this thread, condone it.
Piano wire traps are as likely to kill a deer as they are a biker,
And in this thread, you condone it.
Of course, when all you have in reply is insults, you already admit your
lack of forethought in what you said, revelaing your true intentions for all
to see. Protection of wildlife is not something you can ever claim to act
for Mr Vanderman, given you, here, in archived text, applaud the use of
traps.