Anyone Here on the South Beach Diet?

On Thu 29 Dec 2005 08:59:38p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Damsel in dis
Dress?

Quoted message said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

David and I are both launching back into WeightWatchers on Saturday. We are
both Type II diabetic and find that WW manages it well. Frankly, low carb
literally makes me sick, and I can't stay on it.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

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Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

There's an alt.support.diabetes group.

Quoted message said:

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

There are lots of diabetics here, and most are happy to help, although I
for one can't help you with this particular diet.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

There's an alt.support.diabetes group.

Thanks! Maybe I'll try there. I'll Google first - some of the
support groups are pretty horrible.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

There are lots of diabetics here, and most are happy to help, although I
for one can't help you with this particular diet.

Thanks, Dan. I've ordered the book in large print. It should be here
sometime next week. I'm having a dickens of a time trying to read
the normal print copy. So I have only a vague concept of the diet at
this point. It does seem a lot more do-able than Atkins was.

Good fats, good carbs.

Carol

On Thu 29 Dec 2005 10:43:48p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Damsel in dis
Dress?

Quoted message said:

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

There's an alt.support.diabetes group.

Thanks! Maybe I'll try there. I'll Google first - some of the
support groups are pretty horrible.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

There are lots of diabetics here, and most are happy to help, although I
for one can't help you with this particular diet.

Thanks, Dan. I've ordered the book in large print. It should be here
sometime next week. I'm having a dickens of a time trying to read
the normal print copy. So I have only a vague concept of the diet at
this point. It does seem a lot more do-able than Atkins was.

Good fats, good carbs.

Carol

There's also alt.food.diabetic

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Wayne Boatwright said:

There's also alt.food.diabetic

Very true! Thanks for the reminder. :o)

Carol

Wayne Boatwright said:

David and I are both launching back into WeightWatchers on Saturday. We are
both Type II diabetic and find that WW manages it well. Frankly, low carb
literally makes me sick, and I can't stay on it.

James has nearly reversed his diabetes through exercise and healthy
eating, including plenty of whole grains and other healthy carbs. I'm
happy to hear that you found something that works for you, as well.

serene

On Thu 29 Dec 2005 11:19:13p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it serene?

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

David and I are both launching back into WeightWatchers on Saturday. We
are both Type II diabetic and find that WW manages it well. Frankly,
low carb literally makes me sick, and I can't stay on it.

James has nearly reversed his diabetes through exercise and healthy
eating, including plenty of whole grains and other healthy carbs. I'm
happy to hear that you found something that works for you, as well.

serene

Thanks, Serene!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

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Quoted message said:

On Thu 29 Dec 2005 11:19:13p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it serene?

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

David and I are both launching back into WeightWatchers on Saturday. We
are both Type II diabetic and find that WW manages it well. Frankly,
low carb literally makes me sick, and I can't stay on it.

James has nearly reversed his diabetes through exercise and healthy
eating, including plenty of whole grains and other healthy carbs. I'm
happy to hear that you found something that works for you, as well.

serene

Thanks, Serene!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*

You've heard me talk on and on about my f-i-l who has survived 2 different
cancers in the past 2 years. He has also had diabetes and was on
medication. He has been off medication for a few months now and is
controlling it by watching his food intake. Tho he is not following any
specific regimen -- he has a mind of his own -- but some of the preaching of
others has stopped some bad habits. I'm quite proud of him. And proud of
anyone that does something toward healthful living.
Dee Dee

On Thu 29 Dec 2005 11:54:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Dee
Randall?

Quoted message said:

"Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu 29 Dec 2005 11:19:13p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it serene?

Quoted message said:

On 30 Dec 2005 05:06:06 +0100, Wayne Boatwright
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>David and I are both launching back into WeightWatchers on Saturday.
>We are both Type II diabetic and find that WW manages it well.
>Frankly, low carb literally makes me sick, and I can't stay on it.

James has nearly reversed his diabetes through exercise and healthy
eating, including plenty of whole grains and other healthy carbs. I'm
happy to hear that you found something that works for you, as well.

serene

Thanks, Serene!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*

You've heard me talk on and on about my f-i-l who has survived 2
different cancers in the past 2 years. He has also had diabetes and was
on medication. He has been off medication for a few months now and is
controlling it by watching his food intake. Tho he is not following any
specific regimen -- he has a mind of his own -- but some of the
preaching of others has stopped some bad habits. I'm quite proud of
him. And proud of anyone that does something toward healthful living.
Dee Dee

Thanks, Dee. Honestly, we need the discipline of a program we can follow.
We were on WW for quite a while before David had his bypass surgery, but
haven't gone back since then. We know it's time! Our BG are pretty well
controlled medically, but we'd like to work ourselves away from the drugs.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

Carol

I've was on South Beach for several months this year, then fell off
the wagon. However, a couple of workmates were on it and swore by it.
One said she found it much easier than WW, as you didn't need to count
points. I found it pretty easy too.

The first two weeks are the hardest, when your choices are limited. It
widens out after that. It's nowhere near as limiting as Atkins and
there's a pretty good range of foods allowed.

After the New Year I plan to diet again. I haven't decided yet whether
to do SB again or WW.

Kathy in NZ

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Thu 29 Dec 2005 10:43:48p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Damsel in dis
Dress?

Quoted message said:

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Damsel in dis Dress <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
> as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There's an alt.support.diabetes group.

Quoted message said:

There's also alt.food.diabetic

That sounds like a much better group. I just ran into:

misc.health.diabetes

also.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

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Quoted message said:

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I posted a fairly lengthy reply to your message in alt.support.diet.low-carb
(although you are correct that the majority seem to be Atkins). I find SB
very easy to follow -- basically, you should look at the list of "foods to
enjoy" and "foods to avoid" for Phases 1 and 2. I simply select from those
lists, and it has been exceptionally (after the first 2 weeks, which are
very rigid -- but sticking to Phase 1 really did eliminate my old cravings
for carbs). I also have diabetes, and SB has been a tremendous help to me.
As I explained in my other message, I have also eliminated *all* pasta,
flour, rice, potatoes, and added sugar (and that goes beyond SB but has had
a clear beneficial effect on my glucose readings, which are now always in
the "normal" range without any medication).

MaryL

Quoted message said:

So I have only a vague concept of the diet at
this point. It does seem a lot more do-able than Atkins was.

Good fats, good carbs.

Carol

Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

Carol

I'm not, but from the PBS 'Frontline' show I saw the other night about diets
it seems to make the most sense to me.

Oddly enough, the host of the show was the (then) little boy who played
Gilbert, from 'Leave it to Beaver' LOL In this show he talks about how back
in the 1950's everyone was encouraged to eat, eat, eat... clean your plate!
Remember those starving kids in China! Now he's looking for a diet that
will give him healthy choices and also satisfy the palate. It was an
interesting program. Check your local PBS listings to see if Frontline will
show it again.

Jill

jmcquown said:

Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

Carol

I'm not, but from the PBS 'Frontline' show I saw the other night about diets
it seems to make the most sense to me.

Oddly enough, the host of the show was the (then) little boy who played
Gilbert, from 'Leave it to Beaver' LOL In this show he talks about how back
in the 1950's everyone was encouraged to eat, eat, eat... clean your plate!
Remember those starving kids in China! Now he's looking for a diet that
will give him healthy choices and also satisfy the palate. It was an
interesting program. Check your local PBS listings to see if Frontline will
show it again.

Jill

it's on again tonight at 3:30 am, in the Detroit area

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MaryL said:

I posted a fairly lengthy reply to your message in alt.support.diet.low-carb
(although you are correct that the majority seem to be Atkins). I find SB
very easy to follow -- basically, you should look at the list of "foods to
enjoy" and "foods to avoid" for Phases 1 and 2. I simply select from those
lists, and it has been exceptionally (after the first 2 weeks, which are
very rigid -- but sticking to Phase 1 really did eliminate my old cravings
for carbs). I also have diabetes, and SB has been a tremendous help to me.
As I explained in my other message, I have also eliminated *all* pasta,
flour, rice, potatoes, and added sugar (and that goes beyond SB but has had
a clear beneficial effect on my glucose readings, which are now always in
the "normal" range without any medication).

Thank you, Mary. It looks like you're the only person I can talk to
in the other group who'll understand. I'm glad you're here, too. It's
hard to lower your nasty fats when everyone around you is encouraging
you to eat fatty meats, etc.

I do thank you for the post you made in asdlc. I was thinking of just
talking to you in e-mail, since the guidelines of Atkins and SBD are
so different. I'll be in touch as I have questions.

Can't wait for my large print book to arrive.

Thanks again, Mary!
Carol

jmcquown said:

I'm not, but from the PBS 'Frontline' show I saw the other night about diets
it seems to make the most sense to me.

Same here. It's not nearly as restrictive as Atkins, as far as I can
tell. I want a sane eating plan for my diabetes, and this guy's
approach doesn't seem to create neurotic monsters because he doesn't
make you count anything. Just have normal meals within the allowable
range.

Carol

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Damsel in dis Dress said:

I posted to the low-carb group earlier, and it's looking pretty bleak
as far as SBD activity there. It's pretty much an Atkins group.

I'll be following the diet to control my diabetes, not primarily for
weight loss.

I'd just like someone I can talk to when I'm looking for healthful
choices.

Carol

Look around at the National Institutes of Health site - you can figure
out how to find it. I used their TLC plan for cholesterol reduction and
considerable weight loss. That plan, though, is not, I think, low
carbohydrate but I'd bet they've got something that is. Or check for
some other (appropriate) groups, either on Usenet or maybe Yahoo groups.
alt.food.diabetic ?
--
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 12-22-05

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On Thu 29 Dec 2005 11:54:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Dee
Randall?

Quoted message said:

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On Thu 29 Dec 2005 11:19:13p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it serene?

> On 30 Dec 2005 05:06:06 +0100, Wayne Boatwright
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>David and I are both launching back into WeightWatchers on Saturday.
>>We are both Type II diabetic and find that WW manages it well.
>>Frankly, low carb literally makes me sick, and I can't stay on it.
>
> James has nearly reversed his diabetes through exercise and healthy
> eating, including plenty of whole grains and other healthy carbs. I'm
> happy to hear that you found something that works for you, as well.
>
> serene

Thanks, Serene!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*

You've heard me talk on and on about my f-i-l who has survived 2
different cancers in the past 2 years. He has also had diabetes and was
on medication. He has been off medication for a few months now and is
controlling it by watching his food intake. Tho he is not following any
specific regimen -- he has a mind of his own -- but some of the
preaching of others has stopped some bad habits. I'm quite proud of
him. And proud of anyone that does something toward healthful living.
Dee Dee

Thanks, Dee. Honestly, we need the discipline of a program we can follow.
We were on WW for quite a while before David had his bypass surgery, but
haven't gone back since then. We know it's time! Our BG are pretty well
controlled medically, but we'd like to work ourselves away from the drugs.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*

Such good thinking, Wayne. I've worked my way out of a number of drugs in
the last year or so that were devastating to me. Good luck with WW.
Dee Dee

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MaryL said:

I posted a fairly lengthy reply to your message in
alt.support.diet.low-carb
(although you are correct that the majority seem to be Atkins). I find
SB
very easy to follow -- basically, you should look at the list of "foods
to
enjoy" and "foods to avoid" for Phases 1 and 2. I simply select from
those
lists, and it has been exceptionally (after the first 2 weeks, which are
very rigid -- but sticking to Phase 1 really did eliminate my old
cravings
for carbs). I also have diabetes, and SB has been a tremendous help to
me.
As I explained in my other message, I have also eliminated *all* pasta,
flour, rice, potatoes, and added sugar (and that goes beyond SB but has
had
a clear beneficial effect on my glucose readings, which are now always in
the "normal" range without any medication).

Thank you, Mary. It looks like you're the only person I can talk to
in the other group who'll understand. I'm glad you're here, too. It's
hard to lower your nasty fats when everyone around you is encouraging
you to eat fatty meats, etc.

I do thank you for the post you made in asdlc. I was thinking of just
talking to you in e-mail, since the guidelines of Atkins and SBD are
so different. I'll be in touch as I have questions.

Can't wait for my large print book to arrive.

Thanks again, Mary!
Carol

I would be happy to answer questions by email (at least, based on my
experience -- I'm no expert). One negative reaction I had to the book is
that it has far too many "anecdotes," which cuts down on the amount of
instructive text. That's a minor criticism, though. I found lots of solid
information, and the diet has been very easy to follow. There are also some
very good recipes in the back of the book, and SB now has a "Quick & Easy"
cookbook that emphasizes ease of preparation/cooking and a limited number of
ingredients for each recipe. As I said earlier, just keep the "foods to
enjoy" and "foods to avoid" lists with you. Soon, they will be second
nature and you will carry the lists in your head. I haven't even had any
trouble eating out. I just watch for anything that's not on the diet and
ask for substitutions. For example, if pasta is a side dish, I ask for
steamed veggies instead. Likewise, I always ask for no croutons, and I
never eat the bread. However, I never ask the servers not to bring bread to
the table (a suggestion I read elsewhere) because that is unfair to other
people at the table. Yesterday, I ordered steak and portabella fajitas --
but I had the server leave off the tortillas and just ate the tortilla
ingredients as a platter dish. You do have to keep even that type of eating
to an infrequent occasion, though, because the sauces can be loaded with
hiddfen fats and sugars. Once I got past the first 2 weeks, I found that it
doesn't even bother me to have fresh bread at the table or to watch others
eat the type of sugary desserts I once loved. Omelets and salads become a
staple when traveling.

Most people on the low-carb newsgroup group don't believe in low fat (as you
said), but I feel much better about the SB approach than the Atkins approach
because SB emphasizes low-fat meats and cheeses. SB does recommend olive
oil, and I use that for salad dressings and for cooking stir fry dishes,
etc. -- in fact, I deliberately add some of that because it is supposed to
be heart healthy (not *too* much, though, because all fats contain the same
calories). If I want an *occasional* sandwich, I get low-fat deli meat
(such as the thin-sliced 98% fat-free prepackaged meats), and I use only
Ezekiel bread. That is a flourless bread made from sprouted grains, and it
does not cause any spikes in my glucose readings (unlike flour, where even
whole wheat bread caused problems). I must admit that it is rather
"cardboardy," so I only eat it toasted.

I still eat snacks (in fact, I find that I feel much better if I have
morning and afternoon or evening snacks -- it probably helps keep glucose
more level). However, my snacks now consist of such things as cottage
cheese with fruit, fresh strawberries and/or blueberries with some plain non
fat yogurt, nuts (good for you -- but again, don't go overboard because they
have quite a few calories), a handful of mini carrots and a slice of low-fat
cheese, an apple with a wedge of low-fat cheese Laughing Cow cheese (watch
for it and always keep some on hand -- it is highly recommended by SB, and
it will give you a low-fat "spreadable" cheese that you can use on veggies),
*once in a while* (very infrequent) I will have Ezekiel toast with peanut
butter, etc. I really like raw cauliflower -- I can eat unlimited
quantities of that, and it has a "nutty" taste and texture. I always had a
real sweet tooth, but I also love fresh fruit. So, that is now both my
dessert and some of my snacks. I do *not* add any sweetener, though (not
even the permissable artificial sweeteners because I don't want to
reactivate my sweet tooth). Fortunately, I *like* unsweetened fresh fruit,
so that is not a problem. I find that I don't even need to engage in
portion control. If I eat the right types of things, portions take care of
themselves. You are never supposed to go hungry on SB (unlike some diets).
If you are hungry, *eat* -- but eat the right types of food.

I hope some of this helps. Feel free to send email (remember, my addy is
valid except that you first need to "take-out-the-litter"😉.

MaryL