Acid, Base, Water & Temp. Balance?

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kumar said:

Hello,

Acid, Base, Water and Temperature Balance(internal and outer) can be
the prime consideration for homeostatis as these represent
"environment" of our body's system and "vital" in nature. Slight
imbalances in these may effect substancially and all or most disorder
may be related to these. Their optimal level may be must for survival.
I have few questions:-

1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always happen
in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?

2. Should possible imbalances in these be the prime or must
consideration for all or most disorderes and diseases?

3. Whether outer imbalances in these as in digestive tract,
reproductive tract etc. is somewhat less considered currently?

4. Whether stresses from modern environment anf lifestyle can cause
imbalances in these at outer and at internal level?

5. Can you tell me different normal ranges of Acid, Base, Water and
Temperature at different body's sites (broadly at- outer, blood,
Extra-cellular, IC etc.)? (eg. as digestive pH is different than blood
pH).

Best wishes.

Hello,
You asked some excellent questions. I suggest that you read the following book.
"The Acid-Alkaline Diet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.
The author explains how to use pH test strips that determine whether your
body is in an Acid state or an Alkaline state. You can buy the pH test
strips at some drug stores. You could also do a google search for pH if
you don't want to buy the book. I am not a doctor.
Jason

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In article <[email hidden]>,

kumar said:

Hello,

Acid, Base, Water and Temperature Balance(internal and outer) can be
the prime consideration for homeostatis as these represent
"environment" of our body's system and "vital" in nature. Slight
imbalances in these may effect substancially and all or most disorder
may be related to these. Their optimal level may be must for survival.
I have few questions:-

1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always happen
in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?

2. Should possible imbalances in these be the prime or must
consideration for all or most disorderes and diseases?

3. Whether outer imbalances in these as in digestive tract,
reproductive tract etc. is somewhat less considered currently?

4. Whether stresses from modern environment anf lifestyle can cause
imbalances in these at outer and at internal level?

5. Can you tell me different normal ranges of Acid, Base, Water and
Temperature at different body's sites (broadly at- outer, blood,
Extra-cellular, IC etc.)? (eg. as digestive pH is different than blood
pH).

Best wishes.

Hello,
You asked some excellent questions. I suggest that you read the following

book.

Quoted message said:

"The Acid-Alkaline Diet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.

again...Jason...a bullsh*t book...written by a "naturopathic doctor"...ie
...someone who BOUGHT a certificate probably from a matchbook cover...NDs are
NOT doctors in any true sense of the word

Quoted message said:

The author explains how to use pH test strips that determine whether your
body is in an Acid state or an Alkaline state.

these strips can ONLY test your urine...which does NOT tell you the most
important question about your pH...which can only be tested with arterial
blood specimens..

what is in your urine had NOTHING to do with your body"s "acid or alkaline
state"

unless one is pretty sick...the kidneys and lungs are excellent at
maintaining homeostasis of acid base...

You can buy the pH test

Quoted message said:

strips at some drug stores. You could also do a google search for pH if
you don't want to buy the book. I am not a doctor.
Jason

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In article <[email hidden]>,

kumar said:

Hello,

Acid, Base, Water and Temperature Balance(internal and outer) can be
the prime consideration for homeostatis as these represent
"environment" of our body's system and "vital" in nature. Slight
imbalances in these may effect substancially and all or most disorder
may be related to these. Their optimal level may be must for survival.
I have few questions:-

1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always happen
in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?

2. Should possible imbalances in these be the prime or must
consideration for all or most disorderes and diseases?

3. Whether outer imbalances in these as in digestive tract,
reproductive tract etc. is somewhat less considered currently?

4. Whether stresses from modern environment anf lifestyle can cause
imbalances in these at outer and at internal level?

5. Can you tell me different normal ranges of Acid, Base, Water and
Temperature at different body's sites (broadly at- outer, blood,
Extra-cellular, IC etc.)? (eg. as digestive pH is different than blood
pH).

Best wishes.

Hello,
You asked some excellent questions. I suggest that you read the following

book.

Quoted message said:

"The Acid-Alkaline Diet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.

again...Jason...a bullsh*t book...written by a "naturopathic doctor"...ie
..someone who BOUGHT a certificate probably from a matchbook cover...NDs are
NOT doctors in any true sense of the word

Quoted message said:

The author explains how to use pH test strips that determine whether your
body is in an Acid state or an Alkaline state.

these strips can ONLY test your urine...which does NOT tell you the most
important question about your pH...which can only be tested with arterial
blood specimens..

what is in your urine had NOTHING to do with your body"s "acid or alkaline
state"

unless one is pretty sick...the kidneys and lungs are excellent at
maintaining homeostasis of acid base...

You can buy the pH test

Quoted message said:

strips at some drug stores. You could also do a google search for pH if
you don't want to buy the book. I am not a doctor.
Jason

I have a question for you. Do you know what a "urine dip test" is? If so,
do you know whether or not pH is one of the items that is tested (in a
urine dip test)? If your answer is YES, why did you state:
"what is in your urine had nothing with your body's acid or alkaline state"?

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Jason thnks. Urine pH can indicate whether it is acidic or alkaline. It
may also indicate inernal pH condition--acidic if urine is
acidic...unless some disorders are there. However, blood pH is
maintained within bery narrow range and so may not be indicative of pH
imbalanes at other body sites.

Can you tell about optimal pH as required for various stages of
spermiogenesis? Why vit.C is indicated for increasing sperm counts,
mobility etc.?

Jason said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"kumar" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> Acid, Base, Water and Temperature Balance(internal and outer) can be
> the prime consideration for homeostatis as these represent
> "environment" of our body's system and "vital" in nature. Slight
> imbalances in these may effect substancially and all or most disorder
> may be related to these. Their optimal level may be must for survival.
> I have few questions:-
>
>
> 1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always happen
> in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?
>
>
> 2. Should possible imbalances in these be the prime or must
> consideration for all or most disorderes and diseases?
>
>
> 3. Whether outer imbalances in these as in digestive tract,
> reproductive tract etc. is somewhat less considered currently?
>
>
> 4. Whether stresses from modern environment anf lifestyle can cause
> imbalances in these at outer and at internal level?
>
>
> 5. Can you tell me different normal ranges of Acid, Base, Water and
> Temperature at different body's sites (broadly at- outer, blood,
> Extra-cellular, IC etc.)? (eg. as digestive pH is different than blood
> pH).
>
>
> Best wishes.

Hello,
You asked some excellent questions. I suggest that you read the following

book.

Quoted message said:

"The Acid-Alkaline Diet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.

again...Jason...a bullsh*t book...written by a "naturopathic doctor"...ie
..someone who BOUGHT a certificate probably from a matchbook cover...NDs are
NOT doctors in any true sense of the word

Quoted message said:

The author explains how to use pH test strips that determine whether your
body is in an Acid state or an Alkaline state.

these strips can ONLY test your urine...which does NOT tell you the most
important question about your pH...which can only be tested with arterial
blood specimens..

what is in your urine had NOTHING to do with your body"s "acid or alkaline
state"

unless one is pretty sick...the kidneys and lungs are excellent at
maintaining homeostasis of acid base...

You can buy the pH test

Quoted message said:

strips at some drug stores. You could also do a google search for pH if
you don't want to buy the book. I am not a doctor.
Jason

I have a question for you. Do you know what a "urine dip test" is? If so,
do you know whether or not pH is one of the items that is tested (in a
urine dip test)? If your answer is YES, why did you state:
"what is in your urine had nothing with your body's acid or alkaline state"?

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In article <[email hidden]>, "hawki63"

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"kumar" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> Acid, Base, Water and Temperature Balance(internal and outer) can be
> the prime consideration for homeostatis as these represent
> "environment" of our body's system and "vital" in nature. Slight
> imbalances in these may effect substancially and all or most

disorder

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> may be related to these. Their optimal level may be must for

survival.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I have few questions:-
>
>
> 1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always

happen

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?
>
>
> 2. Should possible imbalances in these be the prime or must
> consideration for all or most disorderes and diseases?
>
>
> 3. Whether outer imbalances in these as in digestive tract,
> reproductive tract etc. is somewhat less considered currently?
>
>
> 4. Whether stresses from modern environment anf lifestyle can cause
> imbalances in these at outer and at internal level?
>
>
> 5. Can you tell me different normal ranges of Acid, Base, Water and
> Temperature at different body's sites (broadly at- outer, blood,
> Extra-cellular, IC etc.)? (eg. as digestive pH is different than

blood

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> pH).
>
>
> Best wishes.

Hello,
You asked some excellent questions. I suggest that you read the

following

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

book.

Quoted message said:

"The Acid-Alkaline Diet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.

again...Jason...a bullsh*t book...written by a "naturopathic

doctor"...ie

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

..someone who BOUGHT a certificate probably from a matchbook cover...NDs

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

NOT doctors in any true sense of the word

Quoted message said:

The author explains how to use pH test strips that determine whether

your

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

body is in an Acid state or an Alkaline state.

these strips can ONLY test your urine...which does NOT tell you the most
important question about your pH...which can only be tested with

arterial

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

blood specimens..

what is in your urine had NOTHING to do with your body"s "acid or

alkaline

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

state"

unless one is pretty sick...the kidneys and lungs are excellent at
maintaining homeostasis of acid base...

You can buy the pH test

Quoted message said:

strips at some drug stores. You could also do a google search for pH

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you don't want to buy the book. I am not a doctor.
Jason

I have a question for you. Do you know what a "urine dip test" is? If so,
do you know whether or not pH is one of the items that is tested (in a
urine dip test)? If your answer is YES, why did you state:
"what is in your urine had nothing with your body's acid or alkaline

state"?

ok...let me clarify...the pH of your urine is not important...it is the
BLOOD pH that indicates "acid base" balance...

testing pH of urine is one of this author's scams...

to people like you Jason

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1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always happen
in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?

Yes. Underlying acid-base, water and temperature imbalances do exist in
all diseases. These imbalances are limited to one region of body
(organ) or general (imbalances in whole body, whole system) depending
of the character of the disease (organ disease or systemic disease).
These imbalances are secondary to disease. For example a skin
infection. Metabolism is accelerated in the region of infection (blood
inflow is greater and temperature increases). From accelerated
metabolism result protons that decrease local pH and irritate nervous
terminations (pain appears). Local decreased pH (local acidosis) makes
vessels more permeable for water and water gets into tissue (swelling
appears).

There are also conditions that appear upon installing of an acid-base
imbalance, i.e. acidosis or alkalosis, upon installing of a water
imbalance, i.e. hyper hydrated or hypo hydrated and upon installing of
temperature imbalance, i.e. hyperthermia or hypothermia.

Blood pH range is 7.35-7.45

Ivan Vasiljevic,
medical student @ www.umfcv.ro

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<[email hidden]>,

(Jason) said:

I have a question for you. Do you know what a "urine dip test" is? If so,
do you know whether or not pH is one of the items that is tested (in a
urine dip test)?

Do you? There are many urine dipstick tests available, including some
that only test for ketones and glucose, or nitrites and leukocytes.

Quoted message said:

If your answer is YES, why did you state:
"what is in your urine had nothing with your body's acid or alkaline state"?

Once again, you demonstrate that you should not be let onto the 'net
without a leash. On the usual 7-, 9- or 10-reagent pad urine dipstick,
yes, pH is one thing that is measured, but it's primary use is to
determine the acidity of urine - not of blood or anything else. A urine
pH can help determine why a patient is forming or stones/what type of
stone a patient has formed, or to monitor urinary pH-altering treatment
(to name the most common uses).

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- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

Ivan,

Thanks. I think you are telling on getting inflamation or infection.
What about on getting any degenarative and chronic changes(fibrosis,
scaring, cancer, latent infections etc.)?

Can we treat any disease/disorder just by correcting acid/base water or
temp. imbalances?

Ivan Vasiljevic said:

1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always happen
in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?

Yes. Underlying acid-base, water and temperature imbalances do exist in
all diseases. These imbalances are limited to one region of body
(organ) or general (imbalances in whole body, whole system) depending
of the character of the disease (organ disease or systemic disease).
These imbalances are secondary to disease. For example a skin
infection. Metabolism is accelerated in the region of infection (blood
inflow is greater and temperature increases). From accelerated
metabolism result protons that decrease local pH and irritate nervous
terminations (pain appears). Local decreased pH (local acidosis) makes
vessels more permeable for water and water gets into tissue (swelling
appears).

There are also conditions that appear upon installing of an acid-base
imbalance, i.e. acidosis or alkalosis, upon installing of a water
imbalance, i.e. hyper hydrated or hypo hydrated and upon installing of
temperature imbalance, i.e. hyperthermia or hypothermia.

Blood pH range is 7.35-7.45

Ivan Vasiljevic,
medical student @ www.umfcv.ro

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In article
<[email hidden]>,

(Jason) said:

I have a question for you. Do you know what a "urine dip test" is? If so,
do you know whether or not pH is one of the items that is tested (in a
urine dip test)?

Do you? There are many urine dipstick tests available, including some
that only test for ketones and glucose, or nitrites and leukocytes.

Quoted message said:

If your answer is YES, why did you state:
"what is in your urine had nothing with your body's acid or alkaline state"?

Once again, you demonstrate that you should not be let onto the 'net
without a leash. On the usual 7-, 9- or 10-reagent pad urine dipstick,
yes, pH is one thing that is measured, but it's primary use is to
determine the acidity of urine - not of blood or anything else. A urine
pH can help determine why a patient is forming or stones/what type of
stone a patient has formed, or to monitor urinary pH-altering treatment
(to name the most common uses).

Did I make up the following statement or do you think that I found the
statement in a book that was written by a team of three medical doctors:

"Urine pH is crude indicator of the acid-base balance of the body...
When an accurate pH assessment of acid-base status and renal response
is desired, the urine should be collected under circumstances more
controlled than usual... ...Simultaneous serum pH mahy also be ordered..."

there is list of conditions associated with acid urine:
metabolic acidosos and metabolic alkalosis are on the list

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In article <[email hidden]>, "hawki63"

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"Jason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "kumar" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Acid, Base, Water and Temperature Balance(internal and outer) can be
> > the prime consideration for homeostatis as these represent
> > "environment" of our body's system and "vital" in nature. Slight
> > imbalances in these may effect substancially and all or most

disorder

Quoted message said:

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> > may be related to these. Their optimal level may be must for

survival.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > I have few questions:-
> >
> >
> > 1. Do imbalances in Acid, Base, Water or/and Temperature always

happen

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > in case of all or most diseases and disorders in body?
> >
> >
> > 2. Should possible imbalances in these be the prime or must
> > consideration for all or most disorderes and diseases?
> >
> >
> > 3. Whether outer imbalances in these as in digestive tract,
> > reproductive tract etc. is somewhat less considered currently?
> >
> >
> > 4. Whether stresses from modern environment anf lifestyle can cause
> > imbalances in these at outer and at internal level?
> >
> >
> > 5. Can you tell me different normal ranges of Acid, Base, Water and
> > Temperature at different body's sites (broadly at- outer, blood,
> > Extra-cellular, IC etc.)? (eg. as digestive pH is different than

blood

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Quoted message said:

> > pH).
> >
> >
> > Best wishes.
>
> Hello,
> You asked some excellent questions. I suggest that you read the

following

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

book.
> "The Acid-Alkaline Diet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N.D.

again...Jason...a bullsh*t book...written by a "naturopathic

doctor"...ie

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

..someone who BOUGHT a certificate probably from a matchbook cover...NDs

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

NOT doctors in any true sense of the word
> The author explains how to use pH test strips that determine whether

your

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> body is in an Acid state or an Alkaline state.

these strips can ONLY test your urine...which does NOT tell you the most
important question about your pH...which can only be tested with

arterial

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

blood specimens..

what is in your urine had NOTHING to do with your body"s "acid or

alkaline

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

state"

unless one is pretty sick...the kidneys and lungs are excellent at
maintaining homeostasis of acid base...

You can buy the pH test
> strips at some drug stores. You could also do a google search for pH

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> you don't want to buy the book. I am not a doctor.
> Jason

I have a question for you. Do you know what a "urine dip test" is? If so,
do you know whether or not pH is one of the items that is tested (in a
urine dip test)? If your answer is YES, why did you state:
"what is in your urine had nothing with your body's acid or alkaline

state"?

ok...let me clarify...the pH of your urine is not important...it is the
BLOOD pH that indicates "acid base" balance...

testing pH of urine is one of this author's scams...

to people like you Jason

Did I make up the following statement or do you think that I found the
statement in a book that was written by a team of three medical doctors:

"Urine pH is crude indicator of the acid-base balance of the body...
When an accurate pH assessment of acid-base status and renal response
is desired, the urine should be collected under circumstances more
controlled than usual... ...Simultaneous serum pH mahy also be ordered..."

there is list of conditions:
metabolic acidosos and metabolic alkalosis are on the list

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kumar said:

Jason thnks. Urine pH can indicate whether it is acidic or alkaline. It
may also indicate inernal pH condition--acidic if urine is
acidic...unless some disorders are there. However, blood pH is
maintained within bery narrow range and so may not be indicative of pH
imbalanes at other body sites.

I asked some other posters whether or not I found this information
in a book that was written by doctors. What's your guess?

"Urine pH is a crude indicator of the acid-base balance of the body...
When an accurate pH assessment of acid-base status and renal response
is desired, the urine should be collected under circumstances more
controlled than usual... ...Simultaneous serum pH may also be ordered..."

there is list of conditions associated with acid urine:
metabolic acidosos is on the list

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Did I make up the following statement or do you think that I found the
statement in a book that was written by a team of three medical doctors:

"Urine pH is crude indicator of the acid-base balance of the body...

Too crude to be used routinely in most cases. A urinalysis is done in order
to check for ketones (ketoacidosis), glucose (fanconi syndrome), protein
(tubular or glomerular proteinuria ) and infection.

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When an accurate pH assessment of acid-base status and renal response

The renal response means that one can have renal tubular acidosis being the
origins of the metabolic acidosis associated with bicarbonate wasting in the
urine rendering the urine more alkaline than usual and not more acidic than
usual. The urine pH may be misleading. This type of acidosis is the opposite
in pH compared to what it should be in urine. The only way to tell is by
doing a blood gas ABG to determine acidosis or alkalosis. The blood CO2's
relationship to the pH is important in determining mixed acid-base conditons
such as metabolic acidosis combined with respiratory alkalosis.

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is desired, the urine should be collected under circumstances more
controlled than usual... ...Simultaneous serum pH mahy also be

ordered..."

The circumstances refer to collection anaerobically meaning in a syringe and
placed on ice or in urine in a cup with an oil overlay to protect from air
after bicarb loading the patient to correct the acidosis. Urine CO2 are
also performed and I have seen this about once every five years or so. To
say that it is routinely done or implied is way off.

Urine pH's are monitored in some intensive care situations involving some
therapeutic interventions which are more commonly performed but again this
occurs a handful of times a month.

The book, like the one concerning "eat right for your blood type" is based
on sound medical science but both take the interpretation off to space once
you leave the basic medical science.
It's sort of like telling people not to breath oxygen because oxygen is
involved in the origins of oxidative damage.

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kumar said:

Jason thnks. Urine pH can indicate whether it is acidic or alkaline. It
may also indicate inernal pH condition--acidic if urine is
acidic...unless some disorders are there. However, blood pH is
maintained within bery narrow range and so may not be indicative of pH
imbalanes at other body sites.

I asked some other posters whether or not I found this information
in a book that was written by doctors. What's your guess?

Jason...the "authors" of said book call them doctors...but they are
"naturapathic doctors"

do you know the difference...

again..your philosophy is "it is written in a book,,,ergo it must be true"

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"Urine pH is a crude indicator of the acid-base balance of the body...
When an accurate pH assessment of acid-base status and renal response
is desired, the urine should be collected under circumstances more
controlled than usual... ...Simultaneous serum pH may also be ordered..."

there is list of conditions associated with acid urine:
metabolic acidosos is on the list

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Did I make up the following statement or do you think that I found the
statement in a book that was written by a team of three medical doctors:

"Urine pH is crude indicator of the acid-base balance of the body...

Too crude to be used routinely in most cases. A urinalysis is done in order
to check for ketones (ketoacidosis), glucose (fanconi syndrome), protein
(tubular or glomerular proteinuria ) and infection.

Quoted message said:

When an accurate pH assessment of acid-base status and renal response

The renal response means that one can have renal tubular acidosis being the
origins of the metabolic acidosis associated with bicarbonate wasting in the
urine rendering the urine more alkaline than usual and not more acidic than
usual. The urine pH may be misleading. This type of acidosis is the opposite
in pH compared to what it should be in urine. The only way to tell is by
doing a blood gas ABG to determine acidosis or alkalosis. The blood CO2's
relationship to the pH is important in determining mixed acid-base conditons
such as metabolic acidosis combined with respiratory alkalosis.

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is desired, the urine should be collected under circumstances more
controlled than usual... ...Simultaneous serum pH mahy also be

ordered..."

The circumstances refer to collection anaerobically meaning in a syringe and
placed on ice or in urine in a cup with an oil overlay to protect from air
after bicarb loading the patient to correct the acidosis. Urine CO2 are
also performed and I have seen this about once every five years or so. To
say that it is routinely done or implied is way off.

Urine pH's are monitored in some intensive care situations involving some
therapeutic interventions which are more commonly performed but again this
occurs a handful of times a month.

The book, like the one concerning "eat right for your blood type" is based
on sound medical science but both take the interpretation off to space once
you leave the basic medical science.
It's sort of like telling people not to breath oxygen because oxygen is
involved in the origins of oxidative damage.

I obtained the information from this book:
"Laboratory Test Handbook" (2nd Edition) by
David Jacobs, MD
Wayne Demott, MD
Dwight Oxley, MD
I copied the info. from page 901-902

There are 18 conditions associated with Acid Urine and Alkaline Urine.
That means the dipstick test is a very important test.
Some of the conditions on the list:
metabolic acidosis or alkalosis
diabetes mellitus
renal tubular acidosis

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Jason said:

I obtained the information from this book: [...]

Jason, I advise you to read "Dioretix: The Science of Matter over
Mind". This book will change your life.

"Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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That means the dipstick test is a very important test.
Some of the conditions on the list:
metabolic acidosis or alkalosis
diabetes mellitus
renal tubular acidosis

In general it is of limited importance and not very important in most

cases.

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A urinalysis is more important than simply a urine pH.

I misread what the author wrote. "dipstick test" would imply the entire
biochemical strip and not just the pH.

Metabolic acidosis is not a diagnosis. It is a symptom and the entire
dipstick is important in determining the origin of the metabolic acidosis
and coming to a diagnosis

"Tony Wesley" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1136927153.271800.270430
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Jason said:

I obtained the information from this book: [...]

Jason, I advise you to read "Dioretix: The Science of Matter over
Mind". This book will change your life.

May I suggest "Diarrhetics - Clear Bowels, Clear Mind."

L.

"Jason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jason-

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I only disagree with one of your points. There are 18 conditions
associated with Acid Urine and Alkaline Urine.
That means the dipstick test is a very important test.
Some of the conditions on the list:
metabolic acidosis or alkalosis
diabetes mellitus
renal tubular acidosis

You are welcome to your opinion but professionally I can tell you that you
can not take a urine pH and then decide that one has acidosis or alkalosis.
It doesn't work that way as some would have you believe.

Acid loads are excreted by the kidneys on a daily minute by minute basis
under completely normal circumstances and these can not be distinguished
from acid-base imbalances that also impact the urine acid-base status.

In short there are 18 conditions that can make the urine acid or alkaline
and there is ONE BIG ONE and that is a normal person reacting to diet and
ones metabolic status.
Anyone wanting to alter diet to change their urine pH can pretty much prove
that point that he is normal.
If one can not discern a normal from abnormal or appropriate from
inappropriate level then it is of limited use.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Robert"

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"Jason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jason-

Quoted message said:

I only disagree with one of your points. There are 18 conditions
associated with Acid Urine and Alkaline Urine.
That means the dipstick test is a very important test.
Some of the conditions on the list:
metabolic acidosis or alkalosis
diabetes mellitus
renal tubular acidosis

You are welcome to your opinion but professionally I can tell you that you
can not take a urine pH and then decide that one has acidosis or alkalosis.
It doesn't work that way as some would have you believe.

Acid loads are excreted by the kidneys on a daily minute by minute basis
under completely normal circumstances and these can not be distinguished
from acid-base imbalances that also impact the urine acid-base status.

In short there are 18 conditions that can make the urine acid or alkaline
and there is ONE BIG ONE and that is a normal person reacting to diet and
ones metabolic status.
Anyone wanting to alter diet to change their urine pH can pretty much prove
that point that he is normal.
If one can not discern a normal from abnormal or appropriate from
inappropriate level then it is of limited use.

Thanks for your post. I should note that I obtained the information in my
last two posts from this book:
"Laboratory Test Handbook" (2nd edition) by
David Jacobs, MD; Wayne Demott, MD; Dwight Oxley, MD
The info. was copied from pages 901-902

I just wanted to add that that this sentence was in the book related to
this issue:
"Simultaneous serum pH may also be ordered".

It's my guess that the doctors that wrote the book would agree that the
serum pH test is far superior to urine pH test.
Jason

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