New Year pedolutionists

On 2006-01-11, dave (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

LotteBum said:

Tamyka Bell Wrote:

>I have a friend that used to be a MTBer. He stacked in the forest, no
>one around. His back wheel was bent so badly that it didn't roll at
>all.
>He walked a few miles 😉

I like having people around when I stack. I happen to LIKE sympathy!

If you like sympathy so much, you should fall off more often.

I dunno. Its not working for TimC. 🙂
We just follow him around with the camcorder

Could I have a copy of the film? I'm sure there's some spectacular
footage in there. I would have been most impressed with the roll I
did about a year ago on grass at the end of a bike track.

You know it's a good crash when you come out of it laughing.
"Is something wrong? Are you hurt"
"BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

--
TimC
Kleeneness is next to Godelness.

TimC said:

You know it's a good crash when you come out of it laughing.
"Is something wrong? Are you hurt"
"BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

I know it's a good crash when I start wondering what reading material to
take with me to casualty.

DaveB "broken bone free for 21 months"

On 2006-01-11, DaveB (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC said:

You know it's a good crash when you come out of it laughing.
"Is something wrong? Are you hurt"
"BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

I know it's a good crash when I start wondering what reading material to
take with me to casualty.

DaveB "broken bone free for 21 months"

I now see a cat and ribs in /your/ future too!

--
TimC
It's the _target_ that supposed to go "F00F", not the processor.
-- Mike Andrews, on Pentiums in missiles

aeek said:

Tamyka Bell said:

I have a friend that used to be a MTBer. He stacked in the forest, no
one around. His back wheel was bent so badly that it didn't roll at
all.
He walked a few miles 😉

In the forest and noone saw it - isn't that proof that it never
happened?
Which means he drove over the wheel, or something, as a sick appeal for
sympathy.

Nah, he was so embarrassed about the stack that he didn't tell anyone
about it for a few years. And so freaked out by how much worse it
could've been that he stopped riding trails alone... and given that his
friends were already over their MTB phase, that meant quitting MTB. Damn
shame.

Tam

On 2006-01-11, aeek (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

I have a friend that used to be a MTBer. He stacked in the forest, no
one around. His back wheel was bent so badly that it didn't roll at
all.
He walked a few miles 😉

In the forest and noone saw it - isn't that proof that it never
happened?

Ooooh. So zen.

--
TimC
I don't want Perl to be beautiful -- I want you to write
beautiful programs in Perl. --Larry Wall

TimC said:

On 2006-01-11, dave (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

LotteBum wrote:

>Tamyka Bell Wrote:
>
>
>>I have a friend that used to be a MTBer. He stacked in the forest, no
>>one around. His back wheel was bent so badly that it didn't roll at
>>all.
>>He walked a few miles 😉
>
>I like having people around when I stack. I happen to LIKE sympathy!

If you like sympathy so much, you should fall off more often.

I dunno. Its not working for TimC. 🙂
We just follow him around with the camcorder

Could I have a copy of the film? I'm sure there's some spectacular
footage in there. I would have been most impressed with the roll I
did about a year ago on grass at the end of a bike track.

You know it's a good crash when you come out of it laughing.
"Is something wrong? Are you hurt"
"BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

I told you about Ians fall? On a borrowed motorcycle? While stopped?
At a booze bus? With a slab on the pillion?

Dave

TimC said:

On 2006-01-11, dave (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

LotteBum wrote:

>Tamyka Bell Wrote:
>
>
>>I have a friend that used to be a MTBer. He stacked in the forest, no
>>one around. His back wheel was bent so badly that it didn't roll at
>>all.
>>He walked a few miles 😉
>
>I like having people around when I stack. I happen to LIKE sympathy!

If you like sympathy so much, you should fall off more often.

I dunno. Its not working for TimC. 🙂
We just follow him around with the camcorder

Could I have a copy of the film? I'm sure there's some spectacular
footage in there. I would have been most impressed with the roll I
did about a year ago on grass at the end of a bike track.

You know it's a good crash when you come out of it laughing.
"Is something wrong? Are you hurt"
"BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

I told you about Ians fall? On a borrowed motorcycle? While stopped?
At a booze bus? With a slab on the pillion?

Dave

David Trudgett said:

The point is, as is so *often* the case, people rush to judge without
knowing or caring about the particular circumstances. They think they
know enough when they actually don't. There's an important lesson to
be learned there.

A positive attitude is fine, and preparation is even better, but try
as we might, Murphy is often lurking and waiting to pounce. :-) Sorry
if that's overly mythical... ;-) (couldn't resist...)

Several aspects which you're missing:

- Peter is an extremely experienced cyclist, more so than most of us on a.b,
- You like to dramatise stuff past the point of tedium,
- And, yes, you're labouring the point. Again.

Tamyka Bell said:

And so freaked out by how much worse it
could've been that he stopped riding trails alone...

Drop bears? Hoop snakes?

Or death by embarrasement?

coowoowoo said:

bahahahaha......such a visual there. These days the kids have way too
much to carry around on a bike..

Pigs. They are just unimaginative twits, who'd rather mummy drives them
to school and lets them out around the corner.

If you can carry a tuba, then you can carry anything.(*)
Lapies and all those electronic things just need padding in a pannier
(or shudder back pack). Hint, take it along to Clarke Rubber and they
can customer cut top and bottom layers and layer with the hole.

Alternative, cheap luggage, two ute hooks and a loop of shock cord asnd
you have a cheap, square pannier that can be adapted.

(okay, it was a cello for me, but I wasn't allowed either. Besides 500
metres is really walking distance).

On 2006-01-11, dave (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC said:

You know it's a good crash when you come out of it laughing.
"Is something wrong? Are you hurt"
"BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

I told you about Ians fall? On a borrowed motorcycle? While stopped?
At a booze bus? With a slab on the pillion?

"Whoopsie daisy"

--
TimC
Some people claim that the UNIX learning curve is steep, but at least you
only have to climb it once. -- unknown

On 2006-01-11, Tamyka Bell (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Nah, he was so embarrassed about the stack that he didn't tell anyone
about it for a few years. And so freaked out by how much worse it
could've been that he stopped riding trails alone... and given that his
friends were already over their MTB phase, that meant quitting MTB. Damn
shame.

MTB phase? Only a passing fad in one's life?

--
TimC

Quoted message said:

cat ~/.signature

Passing cosmic ray (core dumped)

Terry Collins said:

Tamyka Bell said:

And so freaked out by how much worse it
could've been that he stopped riding trails alone...

Drop bears? Hoop snakes?

Or death by embarrasement?

Er, more concerned about brain damage I guess. How fickle.

Tam

TimC said:

On 2006-01-11, Tamyka Bell (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Nah, he was so embarrassed about the stack that he didn't tell anyone
about it for a few years. And so freaked out by how much worse it
could've been that he stopped riding trails alone... and given that his
friends were already over their MTB phase, that meant quitting MTB. Damn
shame.

MTB phase? Only a passing fad in one's life?

In "their" lives...

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

I have a friend that used to be a MTBer. He stacked in the forest, no
one around.

Did anyone hear it?

Terry Collins said:

Alternative, cheap luggage, two ute hooks and a loop of shock cord asnd
you have a cheap, square pannier that can be adapted.

What's a "ute hook"?

--
John (don't have a ute)

David Trudgett said:

Well, Pete, see the thing is that a positive outlook doesn't stop
donkey droppings from happening, now, does it? ;-) As Tamyka kindly
pointed out a bit more subtly.

Yes, but the positive outlook is all about realising that you may well have
the resources with you to solve that bike problem. Of course I always tour
with a pretty comprehensive tool kit and a few spares (including zip ties
and a spare tube, but not a spare tyre). Making good use of what you have to
get yourself rolling again has gotta be better than throwing the hands up in
despair and walking 15 kms. Only time I've ever had to do that was with a
faulty rim tape on the tandem, after the 10th puncture. We walked 8 kms to
catch the later train.

Quoted message said:

You know what happens when you try to ride on a broken spoke? You risk
doing more damage to the wheel, and breaking more spokes. In the above
alluded to incident, I in fact was stupid and continued to try to ride
it (slowly even). Guess what? Another spoke broke and it was unridable
unless a completely trashed wheel was of no consequence.

Not normally likely to happen if you adjust other spokes and ride slowly. Of
course it becomes more risky on rougher roads or with heavy loads.

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As for relying on $10 bills

Use it as a tyre boot for a large gash in your tyre, very effective and will
hold the tyre for many kilometres. I and others in our touring club have
often used this to get someone rolling again. On longer multi-day tours I
often carry a 12cm section of an old tyre to use as a repair boot for any
split sidewalls. Don't use it often but it's there if needed.

Quoted message said:

and sticky tape, you've got to be kidding...?

No, gaffer tape. Much more heavy duty, and very handy for a tyre repair.
Stick it across a split on the inside of the tyre.

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Wouldn't it be better to (a) invest in tougher,
puncture-resistant tyres;

Yes, I do. But others I ride with may not.

Quoted message said:

(b) carry a spare fold-up tyre;

Not available in my puncture resistant tyres. And spares are more bulky, not
always needed on day tours. $10 bill and a roll of gaffer tape is much more
compact

Quoted message said:

(c) not worry about it because major tyre damage happens very rarely;

Often I do this on day rides, then someone goes and splits a tyre!

or (d) carry a mobile phone and try calling someone with a car and a sense
of

Quoted message said:

humour?

Mobile phone recption? In the bush? Hehehehe, you have got a sense of
humour.

Usually everyone has a $bill, not everyone carries a spare tyre, and I don't
own a mobile phone.

Quoted message said:

Or were you referring to what I could have done at the time?
If that is the case....

Of course there are always going to be particular circumstances and they
will influence the solution. I was referring to a general set of principles
and attitudes on repairing your bike on the road, often in the country. A
split tyre next to a train station on the line to my nearest station to home
is a no-brainer, forget the repairs.

Quoted message said:

The point is, as is so *often* the case, people rush to judge without
knowing or caring about the particular circumstances. They think they
know enough when they actually don't. There's an important lesson to
be learned there.

Equally, so often people throw up their hands over a 'wrecked' bike, when
they have the resources to fix it.

Cheers
Peter

cfsmtb said:

David Trudgett said:

The point is, as is so *often* the case, people rush to judge without
knowing or caring about the particular circumstances. They think they
know enough when they actually don't. There's an important lesson to
be learned there.

A positive attitude is fine, and preparation is even better, but try
as we might, Murphy is often lurking and waiting to pounce. :-) Sorry
if that's overly mythical... ;-) (couldn't resist...)

Several aspects which you're missing:

- Peter is an extremely experienced cyclist, more so than most of us on
a.b,
- You like to dramatise stuff past the point of tedium,
- And, yes, you're labouring the point. Again.

I do believe you have a secret crush on me, cfsmtb! How about
lightening up and having some fun? :-)

Cheers,

David

--

David Trudgett
http://www.zeta.org.au/~wpower/

Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do
not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.'
But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is
God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by
Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by
your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply
let your 'Yes' be 'Yes' and your 'No', 'No'; anything beyond this
comes from the evil one.

-- Matthew 5:33-37

Gidday Pete,

I'm a bit short of time, so sorry if anything seems a bit abrupt.

Peter Signorini said:

David Trudgett said:

Well, Pete, see the thing is that a positive outlook doesn't stop
donkey droppings from happening, now, does it? ;-) As Tamyka kindly
pointed out a bit more subtly.

Yes, but the positive outlook is all about realising that you may well have
the resources with you to solve that bike problem. Of course I always tour

Naturally. A positive outlook and being prepared are indispensable.

Quoted message said:

with a pretty comprehensive tool kit and a few spares (including zip ties
and a spare tube, but not a spare tyre).

The zip ties are a good idea. I'll whack a few in next time I'm out on
a longish ride. I always carry a spare tube, though, on anything more
than a half hour ride. (plus small bike tool set, puncture repair,
first aid kit) The only one I haven't had to use is the first aid kit...

Quoted message said:

Making good use of what you have to get yourself rolling again has
gotta be better than throwing the hands up in despair and walking 15
kms.

There are times when you may have to walk. I'm not saying it happens
often, and in fact in happens very rarely. But it happens. And it has
got nothing to do with despair.

Quoted message said:

Only time I've ever had to do that was with a
faulty rim tape on the tandem, after the 10th puncture. We walked 8 kms to
catch the later train.

Most of my rides are solo, of course, since I ride for transport.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You know what happens when you try to ride on a broken spoke? You risk
doing more damage to the wheel, and breaking more spokes. In the above
alluded to incident, I in fact was stupid and continued to try to ride
it (slowly even). Guess what? Another spoke broke and it was unridable
unless a completely trashed wheel was of no consequence.

Not normally likely to happen if you adjust other spokes and ride slowly. Of
course it becomes more risky on rougher roads or with heavy loads.

Yes, indeed (and I was carrying a few kg -- transport, remember). You
also didn't mention sub-par wheels (which this one turned out to be,
and has since been replaced).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As for relying on $10 bills

Use it as a tyre boot for a large gash in your tyre, very effective and will
hold the tyre for many kilometres. I and others in our touring club have
often used this to get someone rolling again. On longer multi-day tours I
often carry a 12cm section of an old tyre to use as a repair boot for any
split sidewalls. Don't use it often but it's there if needed.

Quoted message said:

and sticky tape, you've got to be kidding...?

No, gaffer tape. Much more heavy duty, and very handy for a tyre repair.
Stick it across a split on the inside of the tyre.

I was getting cute with the sticky tape thing... my family always
jokes about what can be fixed with a bit of sticky tape, like garden
fences, for instance. Never mind! ;-)

Quoted message said:

or (d) carry a mobile phone and try calling someone with a car and a sense
of

Quoted message said:

humour?

Mobile phone recption? In the bush? Hehehehe, you have got a sense of
humour.

Thaaank you! ;-) Actually, the places I ride normally have pretty good
reception. Even out in the country around here. Black spots can be walked.

Quoted message said:

Usually everyone has a $bill, not everyone carries a spare tyre, and I don't
own a mobile phone.

<I'm on a ride> <looks around> <sees no one> .... mmmm... :-)

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Or were you referring to what I could have done at the time?
If that is the case....

Of course there are always going to be particular circumstances and they
will influence the solution.

Yes, that was what I was saying. You seemed to be trying to use
general principles and make them apply to a specific instance without
knowing the circumstances. You also seemed to be trying to imply that
preparation and attitude can handle any eventuality. As you know, they
can't. Which is my point.

You wanted to fit me into a stereotype of "person who throws up hands
in despair without being resourceful in finding solutions," a
stereotype in which I do not fit. You also seem to assume that walking
15km is a great calamity to be avoided at all costs. Perhaps it is,
but it's not always the case. While I would much rather ride 15km than
push a bike that far, walking at least allows one to take in the
scenery in much more detail.

Happy riding, (I should do some more rec rides in the country soon,
I'm getting withdrawal... ;-))

David

--

David Trudgett
http://www.zeta.org.au/~wpower/

The world is pretty awful today, but it is far better than yesterday,
not only with regard to unwillingness to tolerate aggression, but also
in many other ways, which we now tend to take for granted. There are
very important lessons here, which should always be uppermost in our
minds -- for the same reason they are suppressed in the elite
culture.

-- Noam Chomsky
<http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20041217.htm>

David Trudgett said:

I do believe you have a secret crush on me, cfsmtb! How about
lightening up and having some fun? :-)

You've just put me off lunch. Bikesoiler, did you read that? Fun? I practically re-invented it.