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  1. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_he_me/fit_caloric_restriction_study_5

    A very low calorie diet can help the heart age more slowly, according
    to researchers who released what they call the first-ever human study
    on the subject.

    The findings confirmed earlier studies on mice and rats that
    demonstrate the cardiac benefits of a restricted calorie diet.

    The study looked at the heart function of 25 members of the Caloric
    Restriction Society, ages 41 to 64, who consume 1,400 to 2,000
    nutritionally balanced calories per day. They were compared to 25
    people who eat a typical Western diet, consuming 2,000 to 3,000 daily
    calories on average.

    The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
    much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
    age. Ultrasound exams showed group members had hearts that appeared
    more elastic than most people their age; their hearts were also able
    to relax between beats in a way similar to hearts in younger people.

    "This is the first study to demonstrate that long-term calorie
    restriction with optimal nutrition has cardiac-specific effects that
    (delay or reverse) age-associated declines in heart function," said
    Luigi Fontana, lead author and assistant professor of medicine at
    Washington University in St. Louis.

    The study will be published Tuesday in the Journal of the American
    College of Cardiology.

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    Research on mice and rats indicated that life span can be stretched by
    about 30 percent with stringent and consistent caloric
    restriction. That research also suggested that restricting calories
    can help prevent cancer.

    Heart attacks and strokes cause about 40 percent of deaths in Western
    countries, researchers said. Cancer causes another 30 percent. Fontana
    said those deaths are attributable to "secondary aging" from high
    cholesterol, diabetes, high blood pressure and other often-preventable
    conditions.

    While it has long been known that a healthy diet and exercise can
    reduce risks, the study suggests that caloric restriction combined
    with optimal nutrition can do even more.

    Fontana said most participants in the study had immediate relatives
    who suffered heart attacks or strokes, so it was unlikely their
    genetic makeup was a contributing factor to their unusually healthy
    hearts.

    "We don't know how long each individual will end up living, but they
    certainly have a longer life expectancy than average because they're
    most likely not going to die from a heart attack, stroke or diabetes,"
    said professor John O. Holloszy, who worked on the study. "And if, in
    fact, their hearts are aging more slowly, it's conceivable they'll
    live for a very long time."

    On the Net:

    Washington University: http://www.wustl.edu/

  2. Pritikin propaganda. Not exactly real science.

    TC

    Ignoramus5478 said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_he_me/fit_caloric_restriction_study_5

    A very low calorie diet can help the heart age more slowly, according
    to researchers who released what they call the first-ever human study
    on the subject.

    The findings confirmed earlier studies on mice and rats that
    demonstrate the cardiac benefits of a restricted calorie diet.

    The study looked at the heart function of 25 members of the Caloric
    Restriction Society, ages 41 to 64, who consume 1,400 to 2,000
    nutritionally balanced calories per day. They were compared to 25
    people who eat a typical Western diet, consuming 2,000 to 3,000 daily
    calories on average.

    The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
    much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
    age. Ultrasound exams showed group members had hearts that appeared
    more elastic than most people their age; their hearts were also able
    to relax between beats in a way similar to hearts in younger people.

    "This is the first study to demonstrate that long-term calorie
    restriction with optimal nutrition has cardiac-specific effects that
    (delay or reverse) age-associated declines in heart function," said
    Luigi Fontana, lead author and assistant professor of medicine at
    Washington University in St. Louis.

    The study will be published Tuesday in the Journal of the American
    College of Cardiology.

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    Research on mice and rats indicated that life span can be stretched by
    about 30 percent with stringent and consistent caloric
    restriction. That research also suggested that restricting calories
    can help prevent cancer.

    Heart attacks and strokes cause about 40 percent of deaths in Western
    countries, researchers said. Cancer causes another 30 percent. Fontana
    said those deaths are attributable to "secondary aging" from high
    cholesterol, diabetes, high blood pressure and other often-preventable
    conditions.

    While it has long been known that a healthy diet and exercise can
    reduce risks, the study suggests that caloric restriction combined
    with optimal nutrition can do even more.

    Fontana said most participants in the study had immediate relatives
    who suffered heart attacks or strokes, so it was unlikely their
    genetic makeup was a contributing factor to their unusually healthy
    hearts.

    "We don't know how long each individual will end up living, but they
    certainly have a longer life expectancy than average because they're
    most likely not going to die from a heart attack, stroke or diabetes,"
    said professor John O. Holloszy, who worked on the study. "And if, in
    fact, their hearts are aging more slowly, it's conceivable they'll
    live for a very long time."

    On the Net:

    Washington University: http://www.wustl.edu/

  3. Quoted message said:

    Pritikin propaganda. Not exactly real science.

    I am actually somewhat familiar with the individuals involved, they
    are not faking anything, they are doing a fine experiment on
    themselves for nothing in compensation.

    i

    Quoted message said:

    TC

    Ignoramus5478 said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_he_me/fit_caloric_restriction_study_5

    A very low calorie diet can help the heart age more slowly, according
    to researchers who released what they call the first-ever human study
    on the subject.

    The findings confirmed earlier studies on mice and rats that
    demonstrate the cardiac benefits of a restricted calorie diet.

    The study looked at the heart function of 25 members of the Caloric
    Restriction Society, ages 41 to 64, who consume 1,400 to 2,000
    nutritionally balanced calories per day. They were compared to 25
    people who eat a typical Western diet, consuming 2,000 to 3,000 daily
    calories on average.

    The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
    much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
    age. Ultrasound exams showed group members had hearts that appeared
    more elastic than most people their age; their hearts were also able
    to relax between beats in a way similar to hearts in younger people.

    "This is the first study to demonstrate that long-term calorie
    restriction with optimal nutrition has cardiac-specific effects that
    (delay or reverse) age-associated declines in heart function," said
    Luigi Fontana, lead author and assistant professor of medicine at
    Washington University in St. Louis.

    The study will be published Tuesday in the Journal of the American
    College of Cardiology.

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    Research on mice and rats indicated that life span can be stretched by
    about 30 percent with stringent and consistent caloric
    restriction. That research also suggested that restricting calories
    can help prevent cancer.

    Heart attacks and strokes cause about 40 percent of deaths in Western
    countries, researchers said. Cancer causes another 30 percent. Fontana
    said those deaths are attributable to "secondary aging" from high
    cholesterol, diabetes, high blood pressure and other often-preventable
    conditions.

    While it has long been known that a healthy diet and exercise can
    reduce risks, the study suggests that caloric restriction combined
    with optimal nutrition can do even more.

    Fontana said most participants in the study had immediate relatives
    who suffered heart attacks or strokes, so it was unlikely their
    genetic makeup was a contributing factor to their unusually healthy
    hearts.

    "We don't know how long each individual will end up living, but they
    certainly have a longer life expectancy than average because they're
    most likely not going to die from a heart attack, stroke or diabetes,"
    said professor John O. Holloszy, who worked on the study. "And if, in
    fact, their hearts are aging more slowly, it's conceivable they'll
    live for a very long time."

    On the Net:

    Washington University: http://www.wustl.edu/


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    223/174.0/180

  4. "Ignoramus5478" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    email hidden said:

    Pritikin propaganda. Not exactly real science.

    I am actually somewhat familiar with the individuals involved, they
    are not faking anything, they are doing a fine experiment on
    themselves for nothing in compensation.

    i

    Yeah I don't see what the big deal is here, low-carb diets are low calorie.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    TC

    Ignoramus5478 said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_he_me/fit_caloric_restriction_study_5

    A very low calorie diet can help the heart age more slowly, according
    to researchers who released what they call the first-ever human study
    on the subject.

    The findings confirmed earlier studies on mice and rats that
    demonstrate the cardiac benefits of a restricted calorie diet.

    The study looked at the heart function of 25 members of the Caloric
    Restriction Society, ages 41 to 64, who consume 1,400 to 2,000
    nutritionally balanced calories per day. They were compared to 25
    people who eat a typical Western diet, consuming 2,000 to 3,000 daily
    calories on average.

    The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
    much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
    age. Ultrasound exams showed group members had hearts that appeared
    more elastic than most people their age; their hearts were also able
    to relax between beats in a way similar to hearts in younger people.

    "This is the first study to demonstrate that long-term calorie
    restriction with optimal nutrition has cardiac-specific effects that
    (delay or reverse) age-associated declines in heart function," said
    Luigi Fontana, lead author and assistant professor of medicine at
    Washington University in St. Louis.

    The study will be published Tuesday in the Journal of the American
    College of Cardiology.

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    Research on mice and rats indicated that life span can be stretched by
    about 30 percent with stringent and consistent caloric
    restriction. That research also suggested that restricting calories
    can help prevent cancer.

    Heart attacks and strokes cause about 40 percent of deaths in Western
    countries, researchers said. Cancer causes another 30 percent. Fontana
    said those deaths are attributable to "secondary aging" from high
    cholesterol, diabetes, high blood pressure and other often-preventable
    conditions.

    While it has long been known that a healthy diet and exercise can
    reduce risks, the study suggests that caloric restriction combined
    with optimal nutrition can do even more.

    Fontana said most participants in the study had immediate relatives
    who suffered heart attacks or strokes, so it was unlikely their
    genetic makeup was a contributing factor to their unusually healthy
    hearts.

    "We don't know how long each individual will end up living, but they
    certainly have a longer life expectancy than average because they're
    most likely not going to die from a heart attack, stroke or diabetes,"
    said professor John O. Holloszy, who worked on the study. "And if, in
    fact, their hearts are aging more slowly, it's conceivable they'll
    live for a very long time."

    On the Net:

    Washington University: http://www.wustl.edu/


    --
    223/174.0/180

  5. Joe the Aroma <[email hidden]> wrote:

    :>
    :> Yeah I don't see what the big deal is here, low-carb diets are low
    :> calorie.

    Only when the induce weight loss.

  6. Ignoramus5478 said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_he_me/fit_caloric_restriction_study_5

    Quoted message said:

    The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
    much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
    age.

    Quoted message said:

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

    Quoted message said:

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
    have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
    researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
    recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.

    Jo Anne

  7. Jo Anne Slaven <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:52:04 GMT, Ignoramus5478
    :> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :>
    :>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_he_me/fit_caloric_restriction_study_5
    :>
    :>>The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
    :>>much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
    :>>age.
    :>
    :>>Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    :>>the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    :>>focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    :>>fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    :>>white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.
    :>
    :> This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    :> maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.
    :>
    :>>For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate
    :>>reduction
    :>>in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.
    :>
    :> OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
    :> have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
    :> researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
    :> recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.
    :>

    Come now....how many in the general public, who love to eat excessive
    amounts of food, are going to consider a low-calorie diet indefinitely?
    They don't recommend it because they know it will fall on deaf ears.
    (generally).

  8. "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

    Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
    greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
    high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
    the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
    have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
    researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
    recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.

    JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
    low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
    concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
    actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.

    HG

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Hannah Gruen said:

    "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

    Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
    greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
    high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
    the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
    have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
    researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
    recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.

    JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
    low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
    concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
    actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.


    The medical community is probably trained in nutrition for about twenty
    minutes. Nutrition is a key to better health and loss of potential
    patients.

    Quoted message said:


  10. What would have been more interesting would have been to have a third
    group for comparison that ate the same types of foods, ie mediterranean
    style, but at normal calorie levels. If you're really interested in
    the effects of calorie restriction, which is what they claim, then that
    is what you need to do to make any case. This seems so obvious, yet
    they didn't do it.

  11. Hannah Gruen said:

    "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

    Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
    greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
    high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
    the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
    have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
    researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
    recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.

    JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
    low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
    concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
    actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.

    To me, it reads like they are saying (while patting us on the head)
    "There's no reason for you proles to try to improve your health and
    extend your life. Here. Just eat a bit less. Everything will turn out
    fine."

    Quoted message said:
  12. "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    To me, it reads like they are saying (while patting us on the head)
    "There's no reason for you proles to try to improve your health and
    extend your life. Here. Just eat a bit less. Everything will turn out
    fine."

    My EX-doctor, when I was at 364#: "You won't live to be 50 if you don't get
    that weight off and get it off soon! You need the assistance of this drug
    to get down to a safe weight to do surgery, and we need to do it as soon as
    possible!"

    His PA, a couple of weeks later: "Just eat more fruits and vegetables."

    --
    Sherry
    364/297/195 (4/3/05)
    http://lowcarb.owly.net

  13. The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who follow the
    Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also have the heart
    protection.

    They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group of 25
    people.

    Jennifer

    Jo Anne Slaven said:
    Hannah Gruen said:

    "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    >the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    >focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    >fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    >white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

    Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
    greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
    high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
    the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

    Quoted message said:

    >For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
    >in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

    OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
    have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
    researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
    recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.

    JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
    low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
    concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
    actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.

    To me, it reads like they are saying (while patting us on the head)
    "There's no reason for you proles to try to improve your health and
    extend your life. Here. Just eat a bit less. Everything will turn out
    fine."

  14. "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who follow the
    Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also have the heart
    protection.

    They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group of 25
    people.

    That's a good point, Jennifer. These kinds of observations are good starting
    points for more definitive research, but that's all they are - starting
    points - because there are simply too many variables. Where they go wrong is
    applying findings inappropriately.

    And I guess we all know by now not to take too seriously a single study, nor
    ones as small as this. I tend to think that the group of people who are able
    to maintain such a low caloric intake is probably not representative of the
    general population in the first place. But... to be fair, the only way you'd
    get most of the general population to follow that kind of diet would be to
    put them in a prison camp and restrict their food.

    JoAnn, I can't figure out why the medical profession is so loathe to make
    the more stringent recommendations re diet that could actually do some good.
    I don't think they *really* want to keep people from getting well. It's
    something else and I'm not sure what.

    HG

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Hannah Gruen said:

    "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who follow the
    Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also have the heart
    protection.

    They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group of 25
    people.

    That's a good point, Jennifer. These kinds of observations are good starting
    points for more definitive research, but that's all they are - starting
    points - because there are simply too many variables. Where they go wrong is
    applying findings inappropriately.


    In Toronto an allergist whose specialty is Immunology set up a study
    group of twelve to establish her theory that Multiple Chemical
    Sensitvities are linked to Panic Disorder. The MCS community was
    outraged as these findings were not refelective of the general
    conditons in the afflicted community.

  16. Hannah Gruen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :> news:[email hidden]...
    :>> The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who
    :>> follow the Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also
    :>> have the heart protection.
    :>>
    :>> They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group
    :>> of 25 people.
    :>
    :> That's a good point, Jennifer. These kinds of observations are good
    :> starting points for more definitive research, but that's all they
    :> are - starting points - because there are simply too many variables.
    :> Where they go wrong is applying findings inappropriately.
    :>
    :> And I guess we all know by now not to take too seriously a single
    :> study, nor ones as small as this. I tend to think that the group of
    :> people who are able to maintain such a low caloric intake is
    :> probably not representative of the general population in the first
    :> place. But... to be fair, the only way you'd get most of the general
    :> population to follow that kind of diet would be to put them in a
    :> prison camp and restrict their food.
    :>
    :> JoAnn, I can't figure out why the medical profession is so loathe to
    :> make the more stringent recommendations re diet that could actually
    :> do some good. I don't think they *really* want to keep people from
    :> getting well. It's something else and I'm not sure what.

    Either they don't want to come off sounding absurb in print or they want to
    make money. How's that for a conjecture? 🙂

  17. "Hannah Gruen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
    the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
    focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
    fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
    white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

    This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

    Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot
    of greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented
    to be high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't
    at all the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

    I tried that diet, it was delicious! I love pesto and pasta. Only problem
    was that I didn't lose a single pound.

  18. Joe the Aroma <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> "Hannah Gruen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :> news:[email hidden]...
    :>> "Jo Anne Slaven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :>> news:[email hidden]...
    :>>
    :>>>>Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members
    :>>>>of the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean
    :>>>>diet, focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish
    :>>>>and
    :>>>>fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks,
    :>>>>desserts, white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.
    :>>>
    :>>> This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
    :>>> maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.
    :>>
    :>> Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included
    :>> a lot of greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been
    :>> misrepresented to be high in carbs - including pasta - and low in
    :>> protein, but that isn't at all the diet that was noted to confer
    :>> health benefits.
    :>
    :> I tried that diet, it was delicious! I love pesto and pasta. Only
    :> problem was that I didn't lose a single pound.

    Yeah, delicious food that you love isn't a winning formula for losing
    weight. 🙂

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