haricot verts

notbob said:

The problem is, you didn't read my OP very well. I know what haricot
verts means. That wasn't my question.

Ils sont petits haricots verts.
:-)

"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> haricots ..... beans
> vert....... green
>
> haricot verts ...... green beans
>

Very helpful. Really.
He didn't ask what haricot verts translates to.
If you don't know the answer, maybe it's best to find out from someone
who
does?

I thought it was helpful. Haricots verts is French for green beans. They
may
be a different species of the more popularly commercial varieties of
beans
here, but they are still green beans.

What's with you tonight?

nancy

He's right. They're just green beans. Restaurants and seed catalogs may
adorn them with cutsie names, but: Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family,
genus, species, variety. That last word is the key: Variety. The "French"
ones are nothing but a different variety of green bean ( Phaseolus Lunatus),
just like Blue Lake 274, Blue Lake 47, Burpee Stringless, Contender,
Kentucky 125, Burpee Tenderpod, Greencrop, Kentucky King, Greencrop,
Heaveyweight II, and a few hundred others.

"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's with you tonight?

Quoted message said:

He's right. They're just green beans. Restaurants and seed catalogs may
adorn them with cutsie names, but: Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family,
genus, species, variety. That last word is the key: Variety.

Yes, and if you read the original question, you answered it.
notbob said he knows they are green beans, but are they a different
variety. That was the question.

The answer to 'are they a different variety of green beans
or a baby green bean' is not green beans. Yes, we've established
that.

And if I ask for Italian flat green beans, don't bring home regular
green beans and say they are the same thing. They are a
different variety.

Not just 'green beans.'

nancy

Nancy Young said:

Quoted message said:

He's right. They're just green beans. Restaurants and seed catalogs may
adorn them with cutsie names, but: Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family,
genus, species, variety. That last word is the key: Variety.

Yes, and if you read the original question, you answered it.
notbob said he knows they are green beans, but are they a different
variety. That was the question.

The answer to 'are they a different variety of green beans
or a baby green bean' is not green beans. Yes, we've established
that.

But there are lots of different varieties of green beans. What they market in
the US as Haricot Verts may or may not be the same as the green beans grown in
France. We have bilingual packaging in Canada and all green beans are also
called haricots verts. I have had haricots verts in France, and they were the
same as garden variety green beans here. They are not necessarily a different
species of bean, though good haricot verts should be picked young, when they
are tasty and tender and and have small seeds.

Quoted message said:

And if I ask for Italian flat green beans, don't bring home regular
green beans and say they are the same thing. They are a
different variety.

Not just 'green beans.'

No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same thing as green beans.

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Quoted message said:

Nancy Young said:

Quoted message said:

He's right. They're just green beans. Restaurants and seed catalogs may
adorn them with cutsie names, but: Kingdom, phylum, class, order,
family,
genus, species, variety. That last word is the key: Variety.

Yes, and if you read the original question, you answered it.
notbob said he knows they are green beans, but are they a different
variety. That was the question.

The answer to 'are they a different variety of green beans
or a baby green bean' is not green beans. Yes, we've established
that.

But there are lots of different varieties of green beans. What they market
in
the US as Haricot Verts may or may not be the same as the green beans
grown in
France. We have bilingual packaging in Canada and all green beans are
also
called haricots verts. I have had haricots verts in France, and they were
the
same as garden variety green beans here. They are not necessarily a
different
species of bean, though good haricot verts should be picked young, when
they
are tasty and tender and and have small seeds.

Even more confusing: If you buy some locally grown beans at a farm stand in
July, and they're delicious, you may decide to go back to that farm stand
repeatedly. Go back in September and the place will probably be selling a
different variety more suited to the end of the season, or one which is more
resistant to a bug or fungus that's more prevalent in late summer.
Vegetables aren't consistent.

Anyone who wants to learn to cook should get on mailing lists for at least 3
different seed catalogs, even if they don't intend to grow their own food.
These things are highly educational.

"Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Nancy Young wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not just 'green beans.'

No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
thing as green beans.

Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
when you don't get haricots verds.

nancy

Doug Kanter said:

Quoted message said:

But there are lots of different varieties of green beans. What they market
in
the US as Haricot Verts may or may not be the same as the green beans
grown in
France. We have bilingual packaging in Canada and all green beans are
also
called haricots verts. I have had haricots verts in France, and they were
the
same as garden variety green beans here. They are not necessarily a
different
species of bean, though good haricot verts should be picked young, when
they
are tasty and tender and and have small seeds.

Even more confusing: If you buy some locally grown beans at a farm stand in
July, and they're delicious, you may decide to go back to that farm stand
repeatedly. Go back in September and the place will probably be selling a
different variety more suited to the end of the season, or one which is more
resistant to a bug or fungus that's more prevalent in late summer.
Vegetables aren't consistent.

Maybe people who live away from the food growing operation are unaware of the
concept of varieties of fruits and vegetables bred to ripen at different times.
It is handy for farmers for a number or reasons. If all beans were to ripen at
the same time they would all be in a rush to harvest them and get them to the
market at the same time. The glut of beans would cause prices to plummet and
they would have a hard time finding a buyer. Processing plants have limited
capacity.

Those different varieties have different qualities. Some are better for
processing than others. In pears, for instance, Bartletts are IMO, the least
desirable for eating fresh, but they are superior for canning. Similarly, there
are varieties of peaches that are better for canning than others. We have a
succession of cherry and varieties. I have to keep an eye in the strawberry
fields in order to get the best variety of strawberries for jam.

As for Haricots Verts.... it is a marketing gimmick. The French tend to use
small beans, those nice tender shoots with only small seeds. When the beans get
riper and the seeds are larger and tougher they have "French beans", regular
green beans that have been cut into slices and those tough beans removed. The
seed companies have a variety of bean available and they apply various appealing
names to them that have nothing to do with anything but market appeal. And FWIW
there are a number of varieties of corn being sold as peaches and cream that are
not the real peaches and cream variety. Many of them have some sort of number
and letter designation, just like wheat and other grain crops, but are being
marketing with a catchy name.

Quoted message said:

Anyone who wants to learn to cook should get on mailing lists for at least 3
different seed catalogs, even if they don't intend to grow their own food.
These things are highly educational.

We had a thread a few months ago about the diminishing quality of green beans.
IMO, they just aren't as good as they used to me. My father always had a
vegetable garden, and we always had a bountiful supply of green beans. We were
out there picking them of often enough that we were able to get lots of the nice
young beans. I loved them. They were one of my favourite vegetables, but I just
can't find good beans anymore. Even during the local harvest is bland compared
to the beans of a few decades ago.

Nancy Young said:

Quoted message said:

No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
thing as green beans.

Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
when you don't get haricots verds.

But Nancy, if I were to ask for haricots verts and got green
beans, that would be exactly what I asked for.
:-)

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"Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Nancy Young wrote:

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Not just 'green beans.'

No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
thing as green beans.

Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
when you don't get haricots verds.

nancy

What??? That's silly. They're the same thing, Nancy. Let's say you tell a
friend you want mesclun for lunch. The friend invites you over for lunch,
puts a bowl of salad on the table, and says, "Here's some arugula, chicory,
baby spinach, mache, cress, young escarole, dandelion greens and mustard
greens. Enjoy!" You've just received mesclun, right? Or no, because she
didn't use that word?

"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
thing as green beans.

Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
when you don't get haricots verds.

Quoted message said:

What??? That's silly. They're the same thing, Nancy. Let's say you tell a
friend you want mesclun for lunch. The friend invites you over for lunch,
puts a bowl of salad on the table, and says, "Here's some arugula,
chicory, baby spinach, mache, cress, young escarole, dandelion greens and
mustard greens. Enjoy!" You've just received mesclun, right? Or no,
because she didn't use that word?

Did you read the question?

How about this. I put in front of you two tomatoes. One
is a plum tomato, the other a beefsteak. I say, is the
plum tomato a baby tomato and the beefsteak a grown
up tomato.

You say, it's a tomato.

That wasn't. the. question. The question is, are they
a different variety or different stages of the same thing.
Not are they tomatoes.

nancy

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Nancy Young said:

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No. But if you ask for haricots verts they are the same
thing as green beans.

Okay, just don't ask for green beans here and be surprised
when you don't get haricots verds.

But Nancy, if I were to ask for haricots verts and got green
beans, that would be exactly what I asked for.
:-)

But but but.....wouldn't les haricots be so much trendier? :-) I mean.....le
bifteck tastes better than steak, doesn't it, especially when preceded by
fromage instead of cheese.

I'm going to pick me up some green beans for dinner.

Limas.

nancy

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I'm going to pick me up some green beans for dinner.

Limas.

nancy

Silly. That would be haricots de Lima.

"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm going to pick me up some green beans for dinner.

Limas.

nancy

Silly. That would be haricots de Lima.

Green. Beans.

Haricots verd.

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Doug Kanter said:

But but but.....wouldn't les haricots be so much trendier? :-) I mean.....le
bifteck tastes better than steak, doesn't it, especially when preceded by
fromage instead of cheese.

Hell, let's just call them Freedom Beans.

notbob said:

J Eric Durbin said:

Believe it or not, Safeway (No. Cal.) carries C&W brand "Tiny Green
Beans" also labeled "Haricots Verts - Imported from Frace".

Yes, I found these in a NorCal Safeway in the produce dept. They were
very fresh and $4 for about 10-12ozs.

Trader Joe's also sells frozen haricots verts. I find them a little
_too_ skinny and stick-like, and actually like the C&W product a little
better, sacrilegious though that may be.... -aem

Nancy Young said:

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Silly. That would be haricots de Lima.

Green. Beans.

Haricots verd.

You are being obtuse Nancy. You know that there is a vegetable
called green beans and you know that there is a completely
style of bean called Lima beans. No one has suggested that
green beans are interchangeable with Lima beans, white, beans,
broad beans, navy beans, pinto beans, black beans, etc., not
even their very close relative the yellow bean.

Seed vendors have all sorts of variations of the basic fruits
and vegetables. Most of them have a number and letter
designation and then a marketing name. Some of them have
varieties that are marketed as Haricots verts, but that just
means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
coarse a string.

Dave Smith said:

means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
coarse a string.

Now see, that's what I was talking about. Sure, different varieties
have different seasons and different skins and pest resistance, etc,
but I was referring mainly to a difference in taste. While I agree
that you are essentially correct in that haricot verts means little more
than green beans, I was looking for more that simple response, which
you have provided under continued harassment (heh...). I'm sure the
beans I discoverd at my local Safeway were nothing more the infant
green beans packaged nicely and labeled to sell. But, they sure were
good! 😉

nb

"notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Dave Smith said:

means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
coarse a string.

Now see, that's what I was talking about. Sure, different varieties
have different seasons and different skins and pest resistance, etc,
but I was referring mainly to a difference in taste. While I agree
that you are essentially correct in that haricot verts means little more
than green beans, I was looking for more that simple response, which
you have provided under continued harassment (heh...).

Hey, I got him to say something more clever than Green. Bean.
Didn't I?

nancy

Nancy Young wrote on 26 Jan 2006 in rec.food.cooking

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"notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Dave Smith said:

means that they are a variety with a tasty pod and not too
coarse a string.

Now see, that's what I was talking about. Sure, different varieties
have different seasons and different skins and pest resistance, etc,
but I was referring mainly to a difference in taste. While I agree
that you are essentially correct in that ***haricot verts*** means

little

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

more than green beans, I was looking for more that simple response,
which you have provided under continued harassment (heh...).

Hey, I got him to say something more clever than Green. Bean.
Didn't I?

nancy

Wouldn't that be haricots vert...green beans ...not haricot
verts...greens bean.

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