On Topic Gun Post: Return of the .45??

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

Quoted message said:

easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about

a

Quoted message said:

century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

Quoted message said:

selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

But

Quoted message said:

don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special
Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also have
a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as
its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are
easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a
century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final
selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But
don't hold your breath.

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special
Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also have
a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as
its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are
easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a
century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final
selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But
don't hold your breath.

Lee Michaels said:

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final
selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But
don't hold your breath.

I'm submitting my design for the "Peacenik 45" one shot pistol. One
shot is all that's needed, because on use it blows off the persons
head who pulls the trigger. Thus ending all war, and giving me the
Nobel Peace Prize.

Lee Michaels said:

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final
selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But
don't hold your breath.

I'm submitting my design for the "Peacenik 45" one shot pistol. One
shot is all that's needed, because on use it blows off the persons
head who pulls the trigger. Thus ending all war, and giving me the
Nobel Peace Prize.

John said:

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

It's a piece of [censored]!

John said:

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

It's a piece of [censored]!

TBR wrote:

re M1911A

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It's a piece of [censored]!

Ever fire one? If not, how would you know?

A thousand years ago, the marksman ribbon was my first doo-dad on my
navy dress uniform.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

TBR wrote:

re M1911A

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It's a piece of [censored]!

Ever fire one? If not, how would you know?

A thousand years ago, the marksman ribbon was my first doo-dad on my
navy dress uniform.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Curt James said:

Ever fire one? If not, how would you know?

No. I know.

Curt James said:

Ever fire one? If not, how would you know?

No. I know.

John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

Quoted message said:

easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about

a

Quoted message said:

century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

Quoted message said:

selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

But

Quoted message said:

don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

David

John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

Quoted message said:

easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about

a

Quoted message said:

century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

Quoted message said:

selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

But

Quoted message said:

don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

David

"David Cohen" wrote this fine opinion

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John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid
of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared
to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine
(at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length
must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985,
was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern
designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

Quoted message said:

easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually
about

a

Quoted message said:

century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy
645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

Quoted message said:

selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves
with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

But

Quoted message said:

don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

What I am wondering about is this whole thing of going to the nine millimer
handgun because we wanted to be "compatible" with our allies. If we choose
to go to a more effective round for our sidearms, how does that affect our
"compatibility"?

And if we can justify a more potent round for a sidearm, why can't we go to
something more eeffective for a battle rifle? What we have now is a super
(wildcat) varmit round. Which is losing its potency because of shorter
barrels and improved shooting practices.

"David Cohen" wrote this fine opinion

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John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid
of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared
to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine
(at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length
must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985,
was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern
designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

Quoted message said:

easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually
about

a

Quoted message said:

century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy
645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

Quoted message said:

selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves
with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

But

Quoted message said:

don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

What I am wondering about is this whole thing of going to the nine millimer
handgun because we wanted to be "compatible" with our allies. If we choose
to go to a more effective round for our sidearms, how does that affect our
"compatibility"?

And if we can justify a more potent round for a sidearm, why can't we go to
something more eeffective for a battle rifle? What we have now is a super
(wildcat) varmit round. Which is losing its potency because of shorter
barrels and improved shooting practices.

Lee Michaels said:

"David Cohen" wrote this fine opinion

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John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
> U.S. Brings Back the .45
> After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid
> of
> its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
> weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared
> to
> the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM
(Special
> Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
> pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.
>
> But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
> suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
> evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine
> (at
> least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also
have
> a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length
> must
> be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
>
> The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985,
> was,
as
> its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern
> designs
> out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and
are
> easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually
> about
a
> century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy
> 645,000
> JCPs.
>
> SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and
final
> selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves
> with
> unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.
But
> don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

What I am wondering about is this whole thing of going to the nine millimer
handgun because we wanted to be "compatible" with our allies. If we choose
to go to a more effective round for our sidearms, how does that affect our
"compatibility"?

And if we can justify a more potent round for a sidearm, why can't we go to
something more eeffective for a battle rifle? What we have now is a super
(wildcat) varmit round. Which is losing its potency because of shorter
barrels and improved shooting practices.

Military and police rounds are sized down to accomodate the weakest
users. The .223 makes for lighter carry than the .308, and it doesn't
kick as much in full auto. The same is true for handgun rounds. The
..40 S&W wouldn't exist if everyone could have handled the original
10mm.

Lee Michaels said:

"David Cohen" wrote this fine opinion

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John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
> U.S. Brings Back the .45
> After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid
> of
> its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
> weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared
> to
> the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM
(Special
> Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
> pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.
>
> But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
> suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
> evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine
> (at
> least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also
have
> a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length
> must
> be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
>
> The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985,
> was,
as
> its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern
> designs
> out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and
are
> easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually
> about
a
> century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy
> 645,000
> JCPs.
>
> SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and
final
> selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves
> with
> unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.
But
> don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

What I am wondering about is this whole thing of going to the nine millimer
handgun because we wanted to be "compatible" with our allies. If we choose
to go to a more effective round for our sidearms, how does that affect our
"compatibility"?

And if we can justify a more potent round for a sidearm, why can't we go to
something more eeffective for a battle rifle? What we have now is a super
(wildcat) varmit round. Which is losing its potency because of shorter
barrels and improved shooting practices.

Military and police rounds are sized down to accomodate the weakest
users. The .223 makes for lighter carry than the .308, and it doesn't
kick as much in full auto. The same is true for handgun rounds. The
..40 S&W wouldn't exist if everyone could have handled the original
10mm.

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid
of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared
to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine
(at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length
must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985,
was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern
designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

Quoted message said:

easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually
about

a

Quoted message said:

century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy
645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

Quoted message said:

selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves
with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

But

Quoted message said:

don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

David

My current carry weapon is a Sig 229, .40. DA, no safety to worry about
being on by accident...most everything you'd want in a combat auto.
Hydra-Shock is my ammo choice for carry.

I used to carry a Browning HP 9mm, cocked and locked. I actually do like
that, as the trigger pull is consistent. My Sig is DA on the first shot,
then SA for consecutive shots. That's the only thing I don't like.

When I used to do the 50 round HQC shoots with the police department, I
would [censored] the hammer on my Sig for the first shot, which I know is
cheating. But I hated the DA on the first shot. Some guys like a DA
trigger. I'm not one of them. But my last shoot was a 98.6. Not bad for a
non-cop. In fact, I usually out shot all the other cops at the shoots,
which [censored] them off to no end. They were all friends so it was all good.
Great times...

-Larry

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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John said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

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U.S. Brings Back the .45
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid
of
its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber)
weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared
to
the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM

(Special

Quoted message said:

Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber
pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.

But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be
suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being
evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine
(at
least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also

have

Quoted message said:

a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length
must
be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.

The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985,
was,

as

Quoted message said:

its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern
designs
out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and

are

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easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually
about

a

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century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy
645,000
JCPs.

SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and

final

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selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves
with
unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year.

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don't hold your breath.

But the M1911 is still a mighty fine firearm.

Absolutely. My Kimber Ultra CDP Elite II agrees as well.

However...the 1911-type .45 is more of a specialist's weapon. Good for
cops or war fighters or civilians who practice a lot. They are not fool
proof, so, fools need not apply.

There are, however, plenty of excellent modern design .45s in much more
user friendly more fool resistant DA/SA or DAO platforms: HK, Sig,
Taurus, etcetera.

Better yet might be the same platforms in .40 S&W if...BIG
IF...hollowpoints are allowed. If restricted to military hardball, .45
is the obvious choice.

David

My current carry weapon is a Sig 229, .40. DA, no safety to worry about
being on by accident...most everything you'd want in a combat auto.
Hydra-Shock is my ammo choice for carry.

I used to carry a Browning HP 9mm, cocked and locked. I actually do like
that, as the trigger pull is consistent. My Sig is DA on the first shot,
then SA for consecutive shots. That's the only thing I don't like.

When I used to do the 50 round HQC shoots with the police department, I
would [censored] the hammer on my Sig for the first shot, which I know is
cheating. But I hated the DA on the first shot. Some guys like a DA
trigger. I'm not one of them. But my last shoot was a 98.6. Not bad for a
non-cop. In fact, I usually out shot all the other cops at the shoots,
which [censored] them off to no end. They were all friends so it was all good.
Great times...

-Larry