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  1. Original post
    Peter R.
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    Well, they fooled me. I got sucked in, I admit, in a momentary lapse of reason I got tubeless wheels
    and tires. I've had two sets of tires so far, a set of Specialized Mt. Baldy 2bliss 1.9's, and now a
    set of Hutchinson Python 2.0's. These are my findings.

    Pro : It is said that they are more resistant to pinch flats. This may be. I've only once suffered a
    pinch flat.

    Against :

    They're bloody heavy. A Python weighs in at 730g, Which is more than the weight of an inner tube
    over it's non-UST sibling. They're a [censored] to get on and off a rim. AND they specifically warn you
    not to use tire levers. I wonder how I'm ever going to get them off the rim to fix on a ride. You
    need a special kit to fix them. You need special wheels that are heavier than stardard wheels. I
    couldn't get the Specialized's airtight. I had to pump them every two days. The Hutchinsons are OK.
    There is a limited choice in threads and sizes. The pinch flat thing. If you would add the
    difference in weight of a tubeless versus a tire-tube combination to the sidewalls of a normal tire,
    ie. more rubber, I very much doubt if the advantage would still be there.

    Of all the disadvantages it the difficulty of putting one on a rim, which is difficult to say the
    least, and getting one off without tire levers, which IMHO is impossible, that leads me to determine
    the only course of action is to stick with your regular setup. I know I will be returning to one
    once the Hutchinsons wear out.

    Peter R.

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  2. John Harlow
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    I couldn't get the Specialized's airtight. I had to pump them every two days. The
    Hutchinsons are OK.

    A dab of slime ought to help out here.. Plus it can help prevent thorn flats.

    Quoted message said:

    Of all the disadvantages it the difficulty of putting one on a rim, which


    is

    Quoted message said:

    difficult to say the least, and getting one off without tire levers, which IMHO is impossible,

    A secret to putting tubeless tires on is to be careful to shove the bead in the little groove in the
    middle of the rim as you mount it.. If you do this, it easily goes on by hand.. If you don't, it's
    damn near impossible to put on.

    See mavic.comvtt tech

    I've never seen the need for tire levers, tubeless or not.

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  3. P E T E F A G E
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    John Harlow said:

    I've never seen the need for tire levers, tubeless or not.

    WTB Laserdisc DH + Kujos.

    Long steel levers needed.

    Somewhere I have 5 minute video of a ride buddy who "never needed a tire lever and had never met a
    tire that he couldn't get off with his hands."

    He lost the bet but provided some great laughs.

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  4. Cowpunk
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    Try Stans No-Tubes....... I've had them on a set of 1.5 Cross-K's all year. 80 p.s.i. ........ Not
    one flat all year and i've worn the tread off the back tire and ready for a new one.

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  5. Super Slinky
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    John Harlow said...

    Quoted message said:

    A secret to putting tubeless tires on is to be careful to shove the bead in the little groove in
    the middle of the rim as you mount it.. If you do this, it easily goes on by hand.. If you don't,
    it's damn near impossible to put on.

    See mavic.comvtt tech

    I've never seen the need for tire levers, tubeless or not.

    I had to fix my first tubeless flat today. The Mavic tips really do the trick.

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  6. Anthony Sloan
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    P e t e F a g e r l i n said:
    John Harlow said:

    I've never seen the need for tire levers, tubeless or not.

    WTB Laserdisc DH + Kujos.

    Long steel levers needed.

    Somewhere I have 5 minute video of a ride buddy who "never needed a tire lever and had never met a
    tire that he couldn't get off with his hands."

    He lost the bet but provided some great laughs.

    Yep. I remeber Mavic rims from the early nineties were incompatible with Continental Comp Pro 1s.

    But as for tubeless, that advice is spot on. I never have needed tyre levers.

    A

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  7. Giganews
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    Run Stan's notubes (notubes.com) on a regular, NON-ust tire on your tubeless rims, and you will be
    very happy.

    Cure Inflation problems: This is not a free solution, BUT: I bought a small air compressor on
    sale at sears. About the cost of a set of tire, and the bead sets up INSTANTLY. Very good for the
    first mount.

    Basically, I find Stans+normal tires on tubeless rims to be a very effective solution. You can;t go
    with ultra-light tires when using stans - shoot for tires with decent sidewalls and don;t try to run
    some 380g thing that is about as thick as a condom. Remember, you're saving weight in the tube and
    saving friction as well, so it's a net gain.

    "Peter R." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, they fooled me. I got sucked in, I admit, in a momentary lapse of reason I got tubeless
    wheels and tires. I've had two sets of tires so far, a set of Specialized Mt. Baldy 2bliss 1.9's,
    and now a set of Hutchinson Python 2.0's. These are my findings.

    Pro : It is said that they are more resistant to pinch flats. This may be. I've only once suffered
    a pinch flat.

    Against :

    They're bloody heavy. A Python weighs in at 730g, Which is more than the weight of an inner tube
    over it's non-UST sibling. They're a [censored] to get on and off a rim. AND they specifically warn you


    not

    Quoted message said:

    to use tire levers. I wonder how I'm ever going to get them off the rim to fix on a ride. You
    need a special kit to fix them. You need special wheels that are heavier than stardard wheels.
    I couldn't get the Specialized's airtight. I had to pump them every two days. The Hutchinsons
    are OK. There is a limited choice in threads and sizes. The pinch flat thing. If you would add
    the difference in weight of a tubeless versus a tire-tube combination to the sidewalls of a
    normal tire,
    ie. more rubber, I very much doubt if the advantage would still be there.

    Of all the disadvantages it the difficulty of putting one on a rim, which


    is

    Quoted message said:

    difficult to say the least, and getting one off without tire levers, which IMHO is impossible,
    that leads me to determine the only course of action


    is

    Quoted message said:

    to stick with your regular setup. I know I will be returning to one once the Hutchinsons wear out.

    Peter R.

    Report

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