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  1. I toggled back and forth between failing at the static and then failing
    at the rollback mount. (I like variety.) In the beginning I was less
    crappy at the rollback, but at this point I have almost mastered being
    less crappy at the static freemount. Here's what helped me:

    First off, I lowered my standards. I am not 14. I can't practice 3
    hours at a clip.... I have to work, grocery shop, feed the dogs, etc. I
    stopped being envious of Dudewithasock (well, mostly) and decided to be
    happy with my own pace.

    Somewhere in here someone gave a description of stepping up on the uni
    when freemounting that made sense to me: Step on the back pedal with
    the same sort of fake-step you'd use when stepping on your friend's
    stomach. I also experimented with the pedal height. I found that having
    the back pedal somewhere between 9 and 10 o'clock helps me not to put
    any weight on it. (Intellectually, I thought lower would be easier, but
    once again my mind was completely out of synch with reality!) Also, I
    slid my foot forward so that I had the arch on the pedal instead of the
    ball of the foot. Mixed results, but the idea is to keep fine-tuning.

    I can't really give any advice on the rollback mount. I had a sneaking
    suspicion as I practiced that one that I would learn how to unicycle
    backwards before I ever learned the mount itself!

    Good luck, and keep us updated on your progress!

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  2. I had many long (150+ feet, which, for this beginner, seems long) rides
    today, and I even turned a corner successfully (mostly). So I know I
    have to start in on freemounting soon. I'll be checking out all of the
    threads I can find on freemounting using the search function, but since
    this one's current, and I can't remember reading this question before,
    I'll just ask it now.

    I've been mounting with a support on my right side since I started.
    Should I learn how to mount and take off with the support on my left
    side before I learn to freemount, or does it really not matter?

    I only ask because I tried it a few times, thinking, "well, what the
    heck, it's the same thing only a mirror image, I should be fine," and
    it was as if my body had never even been on a unicycle before. I
    almost fell over while I was still holding onto the support. It was
    about the same as when I started with the support on my right side,
    but, thankfully, I can barely remember that.

    So anyway, I was just wondering if being able to mount with the support
    on the other side would make learning how to freemount any easier, or
    if I should just bite the bullet and start learning to freemount.

    Rich

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  3. I had many long (150+ feet, which, for this beginner, seems long) rides
    today, and I even turned a corner successfully (mostly). So I know I
    have to start in on freemounting soon. I'll be checking out all of the
    threads I can find on freemounting using the search function, but since
    this one's current, and I can't remember reading this question before,
    I'll just ask it now.

    I've been mounting with a support on my right side since I started.
    Should I learn how to mount and take off with the support on my left
    side before I learn to freemount, or does it really not matter?

    I only ask because I tried it a few times, thinking, "well, what the
    heck, it's the same thing only a mirror image, I should be fine," and
    it was as if my body had never even been on a unicycle before. I
    almost fell over while I was still holding onto the support. It was
    about the same as when I started with the support on my right side,
    but, thankfully, I can barely remember that.

    So anyway, I was just wondering if being able to mount with the support
    on the other side would make learning how to freemount any easier, or
    if I should just bite the bullet and start learning to freemount.

    Rich

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  4. it don't matta. Just go for it, balls out as they say, or at least I
    say

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  5. it don't matta. Just go for it, balls out as they say, or at least I
    say

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  6. If it feels really weird when you try it with the support on the other
    side then it's obviously something the body still needs to learn
    That can only be a good addition to the step you take on your way to
    the freemount and it's always a good idea to learn everything on both
    sides or with both feet.

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  7. RichVoice said:

    I've been mounting with a support on my right side since I started.
    Should I learn how to mount and take off with the support on my left
    side before I learn to freemount, or does it really not matter?

    The mounting-with-a-support may lead to a foot preference that carries
    over to freemounting. I remember that was so in my case. There's
    nothing wrong with that, especially if it is the foot you prefer
    anyways. If you would prefer the other foot for freemounting, I think
    you can attempt the freemount rightaway.

    If you still decide to try the other supported mount before the other
    freemount, please report back whether or not you think it was helpful.

  8. icon said:


    Yeah; yawn, I know.

    From searching, I know that this is a much-covered topic. However...

    I've started trying to shake off the ignominious lamp-post. Going from
    advice on RSU, I started with a static mount, pedals at 2 and 8. No
    great joy; mostly I was just not able to push forward enough to start
    pedalling.
    I can do it (occasionally) if I lower the saddle, but I like the
    saddle where it is.

    You are right, you should leave the saddle at the correct height
    (unless you're really desparate). You state that you are "just not
    able to push forward enough". That's interesting, because a KEY thing
    in the static mount is that you should end the mount slightly ahead of
    the wheel in order to be able to ride away. So, what do you mean?
    Don't you have enough muscular power or is it a mental thing? If the
    former, then 'cheat' by rolling back a bit while one foot is on the
    pedal, then roll forward again with some force and use the momentum to
    carry you up. If the latter, you must try and 'go for it'. No
    halfhearted mounting attempts, but really a determined thing.
    Visualise yourself succeeding. As an exercise, try pushing too hard,
    i.e. ending up too far forward - this will teach you the sort of range
    of 'allowable' force.

    Quoted message said:

    I then tried the roll-forward variant, to give me a bit
    more oomph. Over the course of dozens of attempts, I realised I had
    started to pull back on the top pedal as I got my weight on the seat.
    Hang on a mo' - that's what Charlie Dancey recommends in his book, but
    I'd dismissed it as too hard.

    I'm not sure if you mean rollback mount, or rolling mount. In the
    rollback, you need to pull back on the top pedal. In the rolling
    mount, the wheel keeps rolling forward all the time. If it is
    something else, please explain.

    Quoted message said:

    So now I'm deliberately starting from a 12 and 6 position, easily able
    to get the height to get on the seat and pulling back on the pedal.

    This mount is sometimes called the 'beginner' mount. It is not
    generally recommendable as you end up in 'dead' position, having
    little control. It will take extra time to ride away from dead
    position, while in the meantime your 'imbalance' will increase, and
    hence become more difficult to correct.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    trouble is that 19 times out of 20, I'm ready to go in the front/back
    plane, but off balance sideways, invariably (mounting with my right
    foot low) to the left. Because my left foot (that I'm pushing off from)
    is offset to the left, there's lots of scope for error).

    Again, it seems to me that you're not pushing off hard enough. You're
    right that if your left feet is still on the ground, you'll tend to
    lean to the left. So, your left foot should push off harder,
    especially in the lateral direction, i.e. to the right. That should
    bring you to the correct position sideways. In the learning process,
    try going too far to the right. No bad things will happen, but it will
    give you a feel for how much force is right.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting
    to feel that I would be better learning to idle first - at least that
    way I could correct the lean!

    It may help. In idling, sideways imbalance is corrected by steering.
    Same as in riding. And, same as in riding away after a mount. I
    wouldn't entirely give up the freemounting practice if I were you, but
    throwing in some idling practice can keep boredom at bay, and be
    helpful at the same time.

    I've tried to address your specific questions.
    General freemounting tips in the pdf document downloadable from
    http://www.xs4all.nl/~klaasbil/uni_beginners.htm .

  9. Nothing sound silly while you're trying to balance on top of one wheel.
    The insane uncertainty of the learning process (when the only thing
    you're certain of is that whatever you're trying to do is
    impossible...) does fade but I don't think it ever disappears entirely.
    There is understanding here..

    You use the word 'slap' in your description of the roll-back mount.
    I'm not trying to split hairs here, I just want to make sure that
    you're not trying to do it with too much force. It's not a 'slap'. You
    place your foot on the top-pedal and pull it back 1/8-1/4 turn. That
    rolls the wheel out from under you to the back, therefore creating the
    forward-lean that is required to start riding. It is a calm and
    controlled movement and not a 'slap'.
    I don't mean to play word games here, the word 'slap' simply indicates
    a style of movement (to me) that wouldn't be conducive to a
    successfully roll-back freemount.

    I recommend the roll-back as I feel it introduces you to the principal
    movement that will eventually become idling.
    And you will want to learn to idle.
    It's not crucial however and learning any freemount is more important
    at this stage.
    Learn the one you feel comfortable with, just do yourself a favour and
    learn it with the 'other foot' as soon as possible. Even before you can
    do it with your 'strong' foot is not too soon to start.

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  10. GILD said:

    You use the word 'slap' in your description of the roll-back mount.
    I'm not trying to split hairs here, I just want to make sure that
    you're not trying to do it with too much force. It's not a 'slap'. You
    place your foot on the top-pedal and pull it back 1/8-1/4 turn.

    I read Charlie Dancey's book when I was learning and I seem to remember
    his description did suggest "hitting" the top pedal with some force,
    rather than "placing". I spent ages trying to do that, then gave up
    and found I could freemount with a static mount much more successfully.

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  11. You're right. I'm also from the School of Dancy and I remember that it
    was a big issue to ensure that the top pedal was at the correct angle,
    slightly facing away from you, so that it presented the best possible
    target for the rearward travelling foot.

    My comments above are based on subsequent experience.
    Do you use the roll-back mount now Rob?

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  12. I've had a lot of trouble with freemounting (static mount), and I still
    do, but a semi-breakthrough I had the other day, was to always lean
    forward, and keep the time between mounting and riding as short as
    possible. A good way to work on that, is to see if you can find a
    fence about elbow level (while riding), and then mount with that as
    quick as you can, while touching the fence as little possible. Make
    sure you try to only use the fence to get on, and then pedal AWAY from
    the fence as soon as possible so you don't instinctivly grab the fence
    if you start to fall. That's the path I took in the transition to
    freemounting, and it worked very well for me.

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  13. I'm still a believer in the 2"x4"x6" block behind the wheel theory. Use
    it for a short while until you get used to the static mount concept,
    then ditch it or move down to a 1"x4"x6" before you ditch it. It
    helped me get my brain to realize that I needed to put less weight on
    the pedal as I mounted. (Which at 230lbs + the result of putting too
    much onto the pedal can be devastating.) 😉

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  14. Well I think I can see light at the end of the tunnel. I went out today
    for an hour or so, and didn't resort to the street furniture at all.
    That's not to say that I made every mount, far from it, but often
    enough.

    I also learned that mounting uphill is significantly harder than
    downhill (or maybe that's just psychological too?).

    I was also mounting, riding a few yards just to show that I was 'solid'
    and then dismounting; I thought I'd better start dismounting uni in
    front. Hmmm. 'Graceful' it ain't.

    Thanks for all the encouragement.
    John

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  15. icon said:

    I also learned that mounting uphill is significantly harder than
    downhill (or maybe that's just psychological too?).

    There are all sorts of fun reasons why uphill is more difficult.
    'Smaller balance envelope' being one of my favourite phrases.
    This one isn't psychological.

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  16. icon said:

    I also learned that mounting uphill is significantly harder than
    downhill (or maybe that's just psychological too?).

    Not really. You really need more oomph to get up higher. But you can
    use this knowledge to your benefit too: mounting downhill is easier
    than on the flat. Mounting on a very steep downhill can be a very
    slow, easy and controlled process, the subsequent ride may be more
    difficult though.

  17. GILD said:

    There are all sorts of fun reasons why uphill is more difficult.
    'Smaller balance envelope' being one of my favourite phrases.
    This one isn't psychological.

    Do you mean specifically mounting uphill is more difficult, or riding
    generally? I'd like to make 'smaller balance envelope' one of my
    favourite phrases too; do say more! I'd assumed it was just the need to
    push that little bit harder that made it feel awkward.

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  18. icon said:

    Do you mean specifically mounting uphill is more difficult, or riding
    generally?

    Riding uphill generally presents a variety of additional 'challenges'
    to maintaining balance on a unicycle.
    Mounting especially so as you have to generate forward momentum from a
    standing start while powering your way uphill.

    icon said:

    I'd like to make 'smaller balance envelope' one of my favourite phrases
    too; do say more!

    There's a lot more being said 'here.' (http://tinyurl.com/ex7w6)
    In the meantime you can improvise with snippets like -'shrinking
    balance envelope'-, the deliciously dynamistic -'diminishing balance
    envelope'- or the rather aptly abrupt -'ejection from the balance
    envelope'-.
    aka -'Falling on your [censored]' -or -'UPD'-, in polite company.

    oh, and -'unstable equilibrium' -just gives me chills.

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  19. GILD said:

    Do you use the roll-back mount now Rob?

    I'm not sure what my "normal" mount is. It's a sort of static mount
    but usually I don't jump forward enough to keep the wheel actually
    static, so it becomes a sort of roll-back. I start with my foot on the
    bottom pedal at about 4 o'clock and the saddle in my crotch, then put
    slight pressure on the pedal (almost none on 20", bit more on 26"😉
    while jumping/stepping up and putting the other foot on the pedal. It
    ought to be a static mount (I think), but I'm usually quite sloppy and
    the wheel ends up rolling slightly forward and back, but not as much as
    for a proper rollback mount. I think it probably is a bit of a strange
    mount but it feels normal to me, it just evolved - the only comment
    I've had from another unicyclist was from Mikefule, who said something
    like "so you do a sort of rollback mount then".
    So the answer to your question is I don't really know :o

    Rob

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