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B-Tension adjustment on Shimano derailer doesn't change angle

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  1. To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is closer to
    the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have tried changing this
    angle to acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano rear derailer.
    However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the aforementioned angle.
    Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle? What am I missing?

    Thanks for any help.

    Dan

  2. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Dan Musicant
    To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is closer to
    the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have tried changing this
    angle to acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano rear derailer.
    However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the aforementioned angle.
    Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle? What am I missing?

    Thanks for any help.

    Dan

    Yes, you're wrong - the B screw changes the gap between the top of the jockey pulley and the bottom of the cogs - you usually need to adjust it when you're changing to a cassette with different gearing. There are no adjustments to the angle the derailleur cage makes with the vertical - except for bending.

  3. "Dan Musicant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is closer to
    the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have tried changing
    this angle to acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano rear derailer.
    However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the aforementioned
    angle. Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle? What am I missing?

    Thanks for any help.

    Dan

    It sounds like you need a derailleur hanger straightener tool. The B-adjustment sets how far the top
    pulley is from the cogs and adjusts the derailleur in the fore-aft plane of the bike. You may bend
    the hanger out a bit with a large adjustable wrench but be careful not to deform the hole the mech
    bolts to. Oh, and go back and set your B-adjustment so the top pulley is about 2-3mm away from the
    cogset (not touching).

    Mike

  4. It sounds like to me, that from your description, you may need the derailleur hanger
    bracket aligned.

    Hope this helps.

    Lewis.

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    Quoted message said:

    To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is closer to
    the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have tried changing
    this angle to acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano rear derailer.
    However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the aforementioned
    angle. Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle? What am I missing?

    Thanks for any help.

    Dan

  5. "Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Dan Musicant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is closer
    to the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have tried
    changing this angle to acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano
    rear derailer. However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the
    aforementioned angle. Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle? What
    am I missing?

    Thanks for any help.

    Dan

    It sounds like you need a derailleur hanger straightener tool. The B-adjustment sets how far the
    top pulley is from the cogs and adjusts the derailleur in the fore-aft plane of the bike. You may
    bend the hanger out


    a

    Quoted message said:

    bit with a large adjustable wrench but be careful not to deform the hole


    the

    Quoted message said:

    mech bolts to. Oh, and go back and set your B-adjustment so the top


    pulley

    Quoted message said:

    is about 2-3mm away from the cogset (not touching).

    Mike

    Derailleur alignment... parktool.comDAG.shtml

    Derailleur adjustment... parktool.comFAQrindx.shtml

    HTH, HAND!

    Mike

  6. On 9 Sep 2003 08:43:05 +0950, DiabloScott <[email hidden]> wrote:

    😄an Musicant wrote:
    : > To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is closer
    : > to the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have tried
    : > changing this angle to acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano
    : > rear derailer. However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the
    : > aforementioned angle. Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle?
    : > What am I missing? Thanks for any help. Dan
    :
    :
    :
    :Yes, you're wrong - the B screw changes the gap between the top of the :jockey pulley and the
    bottom of the cogs - you usually need to adjust it :when you're changing to a cassette with
    different gearing. There are no :adjustments to the angle the derailleur cage makes with the
    vertical - :except for bending.

    Yep. I figured I had the wrong concept. Thanks, and to Mike too! I will make the angle adjustment
    with a large crescent wrench, and carefully so as not to hurt any threads. I figure the pullies
    should dangle vertical to the ground, no?

    Dan

  7. "Dan Musicant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On 9 Sep 2003 08:43:05 +0950, DiabloScott <[email hidden]> wrote:

    😄an Musicant wrote:
    : > To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is
    : > closer to the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have
    : > tried changing this angle


    to

    Quoted message said:

    : > acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano rear derailer. However,
    : > from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the aforementioned angle.
    : > Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle? What am I missing?
    : > Thanks for any help. Dan
    :
    :
    :
    :Yes, you're wrong - the B screw changes the gap between the top of the :jockey pulley and the
    bottom of the cogs - you usually need to adjust it :when you're changing to a cassette with
    different gearing. There are no :adjustments to the angle the derailleur cage makes with the
    vertical - :except for bending.

    Yep. I figured I had the wrong concept. Thanks, and to Mike too! I will make the angle adjustment
    with a large crescent wrench, and carefully so as not to hurt any threads. I figure the pullies
    should dangle vertical to the ground, no?

    Dan

    Yes, more correctly parallel to the rear wheel (assuming properly dished and true). Which is what
    the derailleur alignment gauge checks for. If you are in good with your LBS it shouldn't cost much
    to have it sorted out. I have my own tool because I have a downhill bike that gets bent frequently
    and I can't be [censored]'d with going to the LBS every time.

    Mike

  8. On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:23:50 -0400, "Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    :
    :"Dan Musicant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :"]news:[email hidden]...
    :> On 9 Sep 2003 08:43:05 +0950, DiabloScott <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :>
    :> 😄an Musicant wrote:
    :> : > To me it appears that the rear changer is not vertical but tilted so that the bottom is
    :> : > closer to the wheel than the top.The angle off vertical I'd estimate at 3 degrees. I have
    :> : > tried changing this angle
    :to
    :> : > acheive vertical with the "B Tension" adjustment screw on the Shimano rear derailer.
    :> : > However, from the tightest adjustment to the loosest I detect no effect on the
    :> : > aforementioned angle. Am I wrong in thinking that this adjustment screw affects that angle?
    :> : > What am I missing? Thanks for any help. Dan
    :> :
    :> :
    :> :
    :> :Yes, you're wrong - the B screw changes the gap between the top of the :jockey pulley and the
    :> bottom of the cogs - you usually need to adjust it :when you're changing to a cassette with
    :> different gearing. There are no :adjustments to the angle the derailleur cage makes with the
    :> vertical - :except for bending.
    :>
    :> Yep. I figured I had the wrong concept. Thanks, and to Mike too! I will make the angle adjustment
    :> with a large crescent wrench, and carefully so as not to hurt any threads. I figure the pullies
    :> should dangle vertical to the ground, no?
    :>
    :> Dan
    :>
    :
    :Yes, more correctly parallel to the rear wheel (assuming properly dished and :true). Which is what
    the derailleur alignment gauge checks for. If you are :in good with your LBS it shouldn't cost much
    to have it sorted out. I have :my own tool because I have a downhill bike that gets bent frequently
    and I :can't be [censored]'d with going to the LBS every time.
    :
    :Mike
    :
    I wouldn't say I have a good working relationship with any LBS. I've always done my own maintenance
    and repair but a lot of stuff I've never done or done so infrequently that intervening years have
    blurred or erased the knowledge I had to gain in order to do the job the time before! I have a
    couple of books that discuss bike repair, but one is almost 20 years old and the other has bike
    repair as a sub-theme. I should maybe get another book. However, nowadays I can find out things
    online, it has been pointed out.

    Why would your downhill bike get bent frequently?

    Downhill is the thing that scares me the most on a bike, easily. I'm a very safe city rider, having
    sorted out the mischief, but downhill is something that I figure is always dangerous. The only thing
    you can do, other than be very alert and sensible in the way you ride, is to make sure your
    equipment is OK as much as possible.

    Dan

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