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why teams supported by "fans" don't work

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  1. remember Iteamnova? how many gordon mccauley fans are out there?
    dozens maybe? people who live near him in NZ I guess.
    how many chris wherry "fans" are there? who runs his
    fan club? How many of you
    have posters of wherry hanging over your bed?
    US domestic racing scene has zero fans, some girlfriends,
    and don't talk about philly becasue drunk philadelphians would get
    drunk and party on groundhogs day if they had the chance.
    the only spectators are the cat 3's 4's and 5's who race, and then
    watch the pro race because they like the sport, not because
    they are fans of any particular rider or team.

    in europe the situation is different, with minor italian riders
    having huge fan clubs from their home region, where regionalism
    sparks support - the basques are just wildly enthusiastic about
    their team, the dutch used to line the alpe d'huez going nuts,
    and americans cheering for amrstrong - these guys have actual fans,

    36 year old domestic american riders? no. you see these guys
    changing chamois in the parking lot of the local crit.
    (and yes, they are great riders, i'm not saying they aren't, but
    they don't have fans)

    so yeah you get some kit for like $150 or something and get to ride
    around and look like a fred looking like captain america.
    maybe I'm wrong, but I can't seen them raising a 500k + budget
    by having freds buy kit and sending them donations.
    seems more like a situation where a real title sponsor fell through,
    then they came up with a plan B.

    it's a good team too, some of those riders are actually expect to get
    paid, they aren't gonna fart around and race for free waiting for
    donations. I see a possible noble house situation
    where you start seeing these guys not wearing the kit anymore in april.

  2. Quoted message said:

    remember Iteamnova? how many gordon mccauley fans are out there?
    dozens maybe? people who live near him in NZ I guess.
    how many chris wherry "fans" are there? who runs his
    fan club? How many of you
    have posters of wherry hanging over your bed?

    dumbass,

    i don't think this united team will work for the reasons you mention,
    but i think it could work, if it was done right. it works for euskadi
    (they have a secondary sponsor too), since it plays on into basque
    nationalism.

    it could work for a quebec team, which was made up of qubecois riders.
    cycling is well supported there and they have a good talent base and it
    would benefit from quebec nationalism.

  3. amit said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:


    dumbass,

    i don't think this united team will work for the reasons you mention,
    but i think it could work, if it was done right. it works for euskadi
    (they have a secondary sponsor too), since it plays on into basque
    nationalism.

    it could work for a quebec team, which was made up of qubecois riders.
    cycling is well supported there and they have a good talent base and it
    would benefit from quebec nationalism.-----


    ---------------------------------
    amit,
    thank you for calling me a dumbass, and then repeating what I said -
    dumbass.
    you are talking about what are basically separatist groups, the basque
    and the
    wannabe french in quebec, which is why the people who live there are
    extra enthusiastic about asserting their unique identity, the IRA also
    comes to mind, maybe they could sponsor a team?
    there is nothing like that in the USA, except maybe for the cluster F
    known as Texas,
    which should be it's own country, or even better, part of mexico.
    BTW, this has kinda been tried in the USA before, LA-Sherriffs did, and
    so did Jelly Belly, you could be like a cat. 5 jelly belly rider by
    sending them like $200 for some kit.
    Also Colavita-Bolla does it, with regional teams, but I don't think
    those regional riders
    support the pro team much - I think it's just for increased local
    exposure for the sponsors.
    I never thought healthnet would become a powerhouse that first season
    when they had a roster of 45 year old norcal masters and some weird
    riders from kazakstan, but they did, so I've been very wrong before.

  4. Quoted message said:

    US domestic racing scene has zero fans, some girlfriends,
    and don't talk about philly becasue drunk philadelphians would get
    drunk and party on groundhogs day if they had the chance.

    They racing groundhogs in Philadelphia? Any bars that do good black
    and tans with a good vantage point? I can make it in the summer.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  5. Quoted message said:

    remember Iteamnova? how many gordon mccauley fans are out there?
    dozens maybe? people who live near him in NZ I guess.
    how many chris wherry "fans" are there? who runs his
    fan club?

    snip the truth...

    I agree. What I find very strange is that it sounds like they had NO
    sponsor until just very very recently with Toyota. Todd Wells kinda
    says it on his blog RE Wherry and the sponsor. What other reason to be
    SO hush hush other then no ink on paper yet.

    Meanwhile, they had a HUGE salary base already "spent". They basically
    stole all the good riders they wanted from the other teams by simply
    dropping a huge number on them. I guess people trust Andreu or
    whatever, but yah, sounds very noble housey. Or it did until Toyota
    signed, which seems like a very big cash influx so I bet all is well
    now.

    Still makes you wonder who was guaranteeing the bills to the UCI up
    till now?

    Oh, and the kit is effing FREDLY. Whats next, are they gonna race in
    faux world champion kit when racing in Europe? Wow, that would be
    cool.

    Feel bad for Wherry, finally has the jersey, but the whole dang team
    gets one. You cant even spot him in the photos!

    J

  6. jerry in vermont said:

    Feel bad for Wherry, finally has the jersey, but the whole dang team
    gets one. You cant even spot him in the photos!

    Is that Dominguez on the right, with Cuban national jersey..?
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=photos/2006/features/united_pro_launch/full_team

    --
    E. Dronkert

  7. Quoted message said:

    Cuban national jersey..?

    Rather, Cuban champ.

    --
    E. Dronkert

  8. Ewoud Dronkert said:
    jerry in vermont said:

    Feel bad for Wherry, finally has the jersey, but the whole dang team
    gets one. You cant even spot him in the photos!

    Is that Dominguez on the right, with Cuban national jersey..?
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=photos/2006/features/united_pro_launch/full_team

    --
    E. Dronkert

    Think that's Argentinean National Champion Juan Jose Haedo


  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is that Dominguez on the right, with Cuban national jersey..?
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=photos/2006/features/united_pro_launch/full_team

    --
    E. Dronkert

    Think that's Argentinean National Champion Juan Jose Haedo

    The guy on the front right is Serbian national champion Ivan Stevic.
    Dominguez is standing behind Stevic, Haedo is standing to the right of
    the poster.

    Peter

  10. Bobke Strut said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is that Dominguez on the right, with Cuban national jersey..?
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=photos/2006/features/united_pro_launch/full_team

    --
    E. Dronkert

    Think that's Argentinean National Champion Juan Jose Haedo

    The guy on the front right is Serbian national champion Ivan Stevic.
    Dominguez is standing behind Stevic, Haedo is standing to the right of
    the poster.

    Peter

    If we all have to ask THAT MUCH, and this is an "educated" audience,
    then they got problems.

    I thought JJ was argentinian nat champ, but that must be past years as
    I have never seen him wear the jersey.

    I still cant believe he left Colavita. Must have been for BAGS of
    cash, cause I know he really like it there. Profaci didn't seem overly
    pleased by it. I think that team didn't make any freinds starting out.
    I bet we see some _very_ concerted/organized chasing by the other
    teams in the races this spring.

    J

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