OT - Satellite navigation GPS tracking by stealth?

Euan said:

Frankly I find the whole concept somewhat Orwellian and disturbing. Yet another reason to make that final transition to car free eh?

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

cfsmtb said:

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

only vaguely tho. The Galileo stuff is impressive and scary all at the same time. GPS system is 'old' and limited in accuracy due to system overlad and US forces restrictions on access

What i want to know is, will galileo be able to track my friggin socks???
Solving the unmatched pair conundrum would be worth any squirming over liberty 🙄

and think of the stats you could get for your rides :eek:

cfsmtb said:

Euan said:

Frankly I find the whole concept somewhat Orwellian and disturbing. Yet
another reason to make that final transition to car free eh?

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

Not when I'm driving 'cause I turn it off. One distraction I can do
without ;-)
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Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Going even more OT. Types bicycle in sentence to keep thread in context. On ABC AM this happy morn, a suspect involved with the London bombings was tracked through Europe via his mobile. Even when he repeatively changed SIM cards.

cfsmtb said:

Going even more OT. Types bicycle in sentence to keep thread in context. On ABC AM this happy morn, a suspect involved with the London bombings was tracked through Europe via his mobile. Even when he repeatively changed SIM cards.

IIRC phones can be traced via IEMI. The phone has to be connected to a network for this to work tho. This was introduced a few years ago in Australia, and can be also used to track stolen (and insurance abused?) phones that have different sim cards placed in them.

Ash

flyingdutch said:

cfsmtb said:

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

only vaguely tho. The Galileo stuff is impressive and scary all at the
same time.

Ask yourself this question: Will europe decide it wants to extend their
system to the rest of the world? If not, then no probs in Australia.

Quoted message said:

GPS system is 'old' and limited in accuracy due to system
overlad and US forces restrictions on access

Not if you know what to do.

Quoted message said:

What i want to know is, will galileo be able to track my friggin
socks???

GPS can do that now. Hint you need a base station with known highly
accurate (sub mm) co-ordinates, which gives you a differential that you
apply to the readings of your common handheld GPS.

You can pay for this service at varying levels of accuracy in all Oz
capital cities.

Quoted message said:

Solving the unmatched pair conundrum would be worth any squirming over
liberty 🙄

1) I established a sock coral - deep dark draw where all single socks
are locked away until their partner turns up to release them.
2) I buy socks in lots of 5+,so I can loose/misplaced 9 socks before it
is a problem.
3) Always search the single socks with a pair of sissors. {8-). that
seems to encourage a few mates to come out of hiding.
4) Okay, I'm really a softy as I use single mates as water bottle
wrappers on my bicycle.
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Quoted message said:

and think of the stats you could get for your rides :eek:

Euan said:

Not when I'm driving 'cause I turn it off. One distraction I can do
without ;-)

Didn't you just say yesterday
"Yet another reason to make that final transition to car free eh?"

No transition yet then?

Theo

Theo Bekkers said:

Euan said:

Not when I'm driving 'cause I turn it off. One distraction I can do
without ;-)

Didn't you just say yesterday
"Yet another reason to make that final transition to car free eh?"

No transition yet then?

*whispering to avoid attention of Suzie*

Working on it. I rarely use the shared car, Suzie's using it less and
less. I don't think it'll be long before the case can be made that
occasional taxi trips, car hire is more effective than owning and
operating a car. Of course having better PT would certainly help as
well.
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Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

flyingdutch said:

cfsmtb said:

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

only vaguely tho. The Galileo stuff is impressive and scary all at the
same time. GPS system is 'old' and limited in accuracy due to system
overlad and US forces restrictions on access

As I understand the system, GPS can't track you anyway. All your GPS
receiver does is listen in to the time pings from as many satellites as
it can to triangulate your position.

There is no transmission back up.

quote='Duncan'flyingdutch said:

cfsmtb said:

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

only vaguely tho. The Galileo stuff is impressive and scary all at the
same time. GPS system is 'old' and limited in accuracy due to system
overlad and US forces restrictions on access

As I understand the system, GPS can't track you anyway. All your GPS
receiver does is listen in to the time pings from as many satellites as
it can to triangulate your position.

There is no transmission back up.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts also. However if there is a transmitter, it can then transmit GPS co-ordinates back to whoever is listening to whatever format its sent in.

Ash

Well, yes.

If you tell someone where you are... then they will probably find out.

flyingdutch said:

cfsmtb said:

You have a mobile? They *know* where you are already.

only vaguely tho. The Galileo stuff is impressive and scary all at the

Actually, the 3G mobile networks now bring you location based services.
I know Optus have a product that will show you your position on a map
on your phone with a accuracy of about 50m. So they do *really* know
where you are. 🙂

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..dt

Duncan said:

As I understand the system, GPS can't track you anyway. All your GPS
receiver does is listen in to the time pings from as many satellites as
it can to triangulate your position.

There is no transmission back up.

However, mobile phones are continually "hand shaking" with all the
towers they can reach and this allowed better triangulation that SA
affected GPS.

However, no that the US has turned off SA (Well Glosnast was better),
t. "the government" is mandating that those towers can now ask the
mobile phone to return the GPS location of the handset {:-)

This is being done for your assistance in an emergrncy {:-^) <tic>

dtmeister said:

Actually, the 3G mobile networks now bring you location based services.

Correct, the idea was that you would be pestered by telephone calls with
current specials when you passed by a shop.

Yep, we[1] were all so impressed too {:-*)

[1] GIS professionals.

dtmeister said:

Actually, the 3G mobile networks now bring you location based
services. I know Optus have a product that will show you your
position on a map on your phone with a accuracy of about 50m. So they
do *really* know where you are. 🙂

The only network that works at my place is CDMA. As the phone only works
fairly well in the front yard but not worth a damn in the house, do they
still know where I am?

Theo

Theo Bekkers said:

dtmeister said:

Actually, the 3G mobile networks now bring you location based
services. I know Optus have a product that will show you your
position on a map on your phone with a accuracy of about 50m. So they
do *really* know where you are. 🙂

The only network that works at my place is CDMA. As the phone only works
fairly well in the front yard but not worth a damn in the house, do they
still know where I am?

Dunno. Certainly CDMA can support location based services. Here's a bit
of blurb about how it works.

http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/May2003/5332.htm

Anyway, doesn't matter, CDMA is being turned off in 2008. 🙂
3G doesn't have the distance limitation of 35km that the old GSM
network, which is mainly why CDMA exists.

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"dtmeister" wrote

Quoted message said:

Anyway, doesn't matter, CDMA is being turned off in 2008. 🙂
3G doesn't have the distance limitation of 35km that the old GSM
network, which is mainly why CDMA exists.

I have a hill between me and my local CDMA tower. The tower is less
than 2 kms away and, if I walk 200 metres up the road, I can see the
Nav light on top of the tower. Phone barely works in the yard, not in
the house. Telstra think it's my fault.

Theo

Theo Bekkers said:

Phone barely works in the yard, not in
the house. Telstra think it's my fault.

Sounds like the standard telecom company excuse "it's your fault for not
living near 98.5% of the population". Still, I'd happily be mobile
phone-less when at home. I've got one of those fancy ones that actually
plugs into my house! 🙂

Graeme

"Graeme Dods" wrote

Quoted message said:

Still, I'd happily be mobile phone-less when at home.

Notification of fires to the volunteer brigade is by txt message.
Hopefully one day the Telstra man's house is going to catch fire and
then he'll make my phone work. :-(

Quoted message said:

I've got one of those fancy ones that actually plugs into my house!

🙂

Tell me more.

Theo